[Bug 810769]

2022-06-03 Thread Standard8
(In reply to Wayne Mery (:wsmwk) from comment #27)
> ISTM we only need to fix a couple bugs to make this good enough to send out 
> for wider testing. What do others think?

Generally send in background worked fine when we first implemented it,
however, there were two big issues that we never solved at the time:

* the user's expectations around what happens to unsent messages at shutdown
* the potential dataloss issues at shutdown (e.g. if a message fails to be 
copied to a folder on shutdown, what should happen?).

Many of the blocking bugs are related to these two big issues, and these
were what blocked it from being enabled 10 or so years ago. They need
careful thinking about and the various possible routes examining.

iirc, handling some of this on shutdown wasn't easy to do when we looked
at it many years ago (e.g. bug 459376). That may have changed now.

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[Bug 810769]

2021-01-08 Thread Mkmelin+mozilla
I think to give decent feedback in cases where there are problems, bug
1675978 is a prerequisite.

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[Bug 810769]

2021-01-08 Thread Jik-l
Send Later doesn't deal with this in any way, as far as I'm aware. It
just puts messages into Outbox and then calls the API endpoint to tell
Thunderbird to deliver the messages in the Outbox.

Note that Jonathan Perry-Houts is the new maintainer of Send Later as of
TB78. I'm mostly a bystander at this point.

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[Bug 810769]

2021-01-08 Thread Bugzilla2007
(In reply to Wayne Mery (:wsmwk) from comment #27)
> The "lack of interest" by users is perhaps because most users don't know it's 
> possible to do this.  The lack of progress in a decade on the blocking bugs 
> of course doesn't help. 
> 
> ISTM we only need to fix a couple bugs to make this good enough to send out 
> for wider testing.  What do others think?

Having this would surely be useful to make us look and feel better.
I'm not sure how much priority it would be worth, maybe I'd prefer to fix even 
more basic scenarios (e.g. that after saving (downloading) an attachment to 
your disk, there's zero hint in the UI how to open the target location with 
your OS file manager, so unless you already know about Ctrl+J, you'll have to 
start navigating all the way to that attachment in Explorer whereas TB knows 
exactly where it is).

> Perhaps a good starting point is Bug 749654?  Bad message in Outbox
blocks delivery of remaining messages until dialog is dismissed.

Bug 749654 is an excellent starting point, that nasty thing really needs
fixing although it may not be in everybody's workflows.

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[Bug 810769]

2021-01-08 Thread Vseerror
The "lack of interest" by users is perhaps because most users don't know
it's possible to do this.  The lack of progress in a decade on the
blocking bugs of course doesn't help.

ISTM we only need to fix a couple bugs to make this good enough to send
out for wider testing.  What do others think?

Perhaps a good starting point is Bug 749654?  Bad message in Outbox
blocks delivery of remaining messages until dialog is dismissed

Jonathan, how does Send Later deal with these issues?  (or can't it?)

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[Bug 810769]

2021-01-08 Thread Vseerror
*** Bug 1684806 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Bug 810769]

2019-02-21 Thread Vseerror
*** Bug 246865 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Bug 810769]

2019-02-21 Thread Ludovic-mozilla
Removing myslef on all the bugs I'm cced on. Please NI me if you need
something on MailNews Core bugs from me.

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[Bug 810769]

2019-02-21 Thread Vseerror
list which may contain some related bugs https://mzl.la/24SIlJ8

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[Bug 810769]

2019-02-21 Thread Vseerror
Outlook does this (so I hear). And postbox.  And ... we don't.

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[Bug 810769]

2012-11-01 Thread Mbanner
Comment on attachment 551136
don't close compose window w/ send in background if last open window

I'm sorry that I've taken so long to look at this. I was, like
previously mentioned concerned that this is an incomplete patch.
However, now I've spent a bit of time on it, I think that even if we
have bug 459376 fixed (or something that would effectively fix it) then
we'd still want to ensure message send completes on sending with just
the compose window open anyway.

So I think this is good to go. I'll do a patch that uses Services.wm as
Magnus suggested.

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[Bug 810769]

2012-11-01 Thread Mbanner
Created attachment 677386
[checked in] don't close compose window w/ send in background if last open 
window v2

Updated patch using Services

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[Bug 810769]

2012-11-01 Thread Mbanner
I believe David isn't actively working on this at the moment, so
removing the assignee. If folks want to help that would be great - the
main priorities would be to fix the bugs this one depends on to reduce
the dataloss / messages not sent possibilities that there are now.

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[Bug 810769]

2012-11-01 Thread Mbanner
Comment on attachment 677386
[checked in] don't close compose window w/ send in background if last open 
window v2

https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/2c2b7ad3bed3

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[Bug 810769]

2012-08-22 Thread Vseerror
*** Bug 685056 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Bug 810769]

2012-08-22 Thread Gessel
As this bug, despite originally being about improving background sending
(important) has become a dumping ground for cleaning up some very
annoying problems with the basic UI throwing endless barrages of modal
dialogs at users in an attempt to ensure they are as unproductive as
possible.

All of the modal dialogs mentioned in comment #12 need to be quashed.  A
Mulberry-like activity window is more than sufficient for notifications
that the user can't do anything about anyway (for example any connection
failure of any sort - if your mail isn't coming or going, glance at the
activity monitor to find out why).  A non-modal poptart window for user
intervention (e.g. enter password) seems acceptable, just throw it to
the background and make it modeless.

The sort of duplicate 685056 started with:

User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.1) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/6.0.1
Build ID: 20110830092941

Steps to reproduce:

- Queue outgoing messages
- Start a new message
- Get to a good composition flow where thoughts are gelling and words are 
coming easily.
- Background send attempt times out on SMTP error [happens to me all the time, 
I'm often connective via VSAT or Really Crappy Connections]
- Dialog box Send Message Error  Sending of message failed. The message could 
not be sent because the connection to SMTP server mail.myserver.com timed out.  
Try again or contact your network administrator. OK steals focus
- Lose train of thought
- Smash keyboard
- While ordering replacement keyboard off ebay, wonder why a dialog box that is 
merely informing the user of something completely irrelevant insisted on 
interrupting the user's work flow.


Actual results:

A pointless dialog box stole focus from my composition window, and
interrupted my train of thought.


Expected results:

No dialog box should EVER steal focus from my work.  There is no point
in displaying for your information only, there's nothing you can do,
OK? dialogs in any way that demands attention, and any such warning
should come with a never show me this annoying warning again option.

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[Bug 810769]

2012-04-13 Thread Mkmelin+mozilla
Comment on attachment 551136
don't close compose window w/ send in background if last open window

Review of attachment 551136:
-

::: mail/components/compose/content/MsgComposeCommands.js
@@ +2232,5 @@
.getBoolPref(mailnews.sendInBackground);
 +  if (sendInBackground  !Application.platformIsMac) {
 +let windowMediator =
 +  Components.classes[@mozilla.org/appshell/window-mediator;1]
 +  .getService(Components.interfaces.nsIWindowMediator);

You can just use Services.wm

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[Bug 810769]

2012-04-06 Thread Dbienvenu
Comment on attachment 551136
don't close compose window w/ send in background if last open window

pinging for review - this won't affect the mac, and it makes send in
background a lot safer to turn on with the other platforms.

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[Bug 810769]

2012-04-01 Thread Acelists
standard8, what about the pending review?

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[Bug 810769]

2012-02-20 Thread Jonathan Protzenko
Do we have a bug on file for switching, UX-wise, to notification bars
instead of modal popups that shout in your face? :) (That would be a
nice subtask for the gsoc project proposal.)

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2012-02-20 Thread Vseerror
(In reply to Jonathan Protzenko [:protz] from comment #11)
 Do we have a bug on file for switching, UX-wise, to notification bars
 instead of modal popups that shout in your face? :) (That would be a nice
 subtask for the gsoc project proposal.)

Bug 255233 - Please make dialogs such as Do you want to send unsent messages? 
modeless instead of modal
Bug 564751 - Annoying alert messages coming on top of every others applications

and (some duping needed here)...
Bug 288896 - eliminate modal dialog window, move to activity manager entry, to 
avoid frequent interruptions by popup saying Cannot move messages to folder 
name because another operation is in progress [pop3]
Bug 271589 - password dialog popup accumulate if they are not cancel at once 
Bug 724598 - Enhance failure mode on POP3 accounts

and the big monster
Bug 476696 - Activity Manager: Poptarts

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[Bug 810769]

2011-08-09 Thread Ludovic-mozilla
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[Bug 810769]

2011-08-06 Thread Dbienvenu
Created attachment 551136
don't close compose window w/ send in background if last open window

This fixes the easiest to reproduce issue, which is having only a
compose window open and doing a send. I know you're not crazy about
leaving the compose window open, but it's a safe simple fix for things
like handling mailto links, and will get us that much closer to turning
this on.

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[Bug 810769] Re: Sending window distracting and interrupts flow

2011-08-05 Thread Bug Watch Updater
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On 2009-08-18T10:57:17+00:00 Mbanner wrote:

+++ This bug was initially created as a clone of Bug #440794 +++

Sending email should use the offline capabilities (dump the mail in
Unsent Folders, schedule a background send), so that the user can move
on immediately to the next task.


Bug 440794 has done most of the initial work to get basic support, what is left 
is to be able to manage failures so that send/copy failures are automatically 
retried, and only notified to the user after several failures, plus the 
associated UI updates.

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On 2010-03-17T01:35:34+00:00 Jsabash wrote:

Seems to have stopped working in:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.2pre) Gecko/20100310 
Lanikai/3.1b2pre ID:20100310032818
The message gets placed in the outbox, but never actually sent.

This is just an FYI since I know you are not actively developing this
feature at this time.

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On 2010-03-17T16:44:31+00:00 Pclough wrote:

I'm running Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8)
Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 and seeing the same phenomenon as Joe
Sabash in comment 1.  In my case it's emails;  I cannot swear they would
never get sent, since when I have found some I have always sent them -
which works every time.

I don't see a setting Send in Background, preference
mailnews.sendInBackground

Peter

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On 2010-03-17T17:12:13+00:00 Vseerror wrote:

Peter, your issue has nothing to do with this functionality unless you
find mailnews.sendInBackground=true in about:config (use
options|advanced|etc or ask for help a forum).

And even then, this is only a placeholder tracking bug. You'd want to
file a new bug. But first see my posting in .support.thunderbird

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On 2010-04-30T13:16:53+00:00 cameleon wrote:

I have just test mailnews.sendInBackground=true in Lanikai and it works
quite ok, but I think that the Activity Manager should display the
progress bar, in order to keep a place where the progress statue is
available.

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On 2010-07-01T05:00:52+00:00 Armond555 wrote:

Any update on when we'll get this feature?

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On 2011-02-02T13:53:51+00:00 Vseerror wrote:

see at
http://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/get_the_compose_message_box_off_my_screen_when_i_click_send

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On 2011-07-18T22:21:37+00:00 Vseerror wrote:

mentioned in blogpost http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/14/thunderbird-
in-ubuntu-11-10/

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On 2011-08-04T23:56:51+00:00 Dbienvenu wrote:

One simple fix to the most basic issue (send in background w/ only the
compose window open) is to not do a send in background if there are no
other windows open, at least on Windows/Linux, because we know that's
going to fail, and we don't want the user to think the app has shutdown
when it hasn't (and do something like shut their laptop in the middle of
the send).

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** Changed in: thunderbird
   Status: Unknown = Confirmed

** Changed in: thunderbird
   Importance: Unknown = Medium

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[Bug 810769] Re: Sending window distracting and interrupts flow

2011-07-19 Thread Chauncellor
** Changed in: thunderbird (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 810769] Re: Sending window distracting and interrupts flow

2011-07-19 Thread Joe Burgess
** Also affects: thunderbird via
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   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 810769] Re: Sending window distracting and interrupts flow

2011-07-19 Thread Vseerror
(Several people, including myself, have it enabled for a long time.)
i.e. we understand it's limitations and it works well enough that we
keep it enabled.

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[Bug 810769] Re: Sending window distracting and interrupts flow

2011-07-18 Thread Vseerror
Jono,

This is available as a partially implemented feature, described briefly
at http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_3.0_-
_New_Features_and_Changes#Send_in_Background  Several people, including
myself, have it enabled for a long time.

However, there is a lot of work that remains is
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=511079 - Leverage Offline
capabilities to make sending email appear faster (aka Send in
Background, preference mailnews.sendInBackground)

** Bug watch added: Mozilla Bugzilla #511079
   https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=511079

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[Bug 810769] [NEW] Sending window distracting and interrupts flow

2011-07-14 Thread Jono Bacon
Public bug reported:

When sending an email in Thunderbird a small dialog box appears to say
the message is being sent and this affects the flow of interacting with
your email. In almost every case I move the focus away from that window
and go to my INBOX.

My recommendation would for the window to not show and to show this
information in the status bar (similar to how it works in Evolution).

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.10
Package: thunderbird 5.0+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu5
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.0.0-5.6-generic 3.0.0-rc7
Uname: Linux 3.0.0-5-generic i686
Architecture: i386
Date: Thu Jul 14 14:59:20 2011
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal - Alpha i386 (20110202)
ProcEnviron:
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: thunderbird
UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to oneiric on 2011-07-13 (1 days ago)

** Affects: thunderbird (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-bug i386 oneiric running-unity unity-2d

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[Bug 810769] Re: Sending window distracting and interrupts flow

2011-07-14 Thread Jono Bacon
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