[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
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[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
floid (jkanowitz) wrote: Does this go for Banias as well as Dothan Pentium Ms? I have Dothan, it does not advertise PAE in cpuflags, but PAE kernel works. the NX support that this is supposed to really be about came in with Dothan (which I assume will report under cpuflags in all circumstances?). No, my Dothan Pentium M (Family 6 model 13 with 400mhz bus) does not have PAE or NX in cpuflags. NX is supported via kernel patch (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives /ubuntu-devel/2011-November/034502.html Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin - This is about dropping non-PAE support, not dropping non-NX support. The NX emulation patch must remain in the kernel since a large number of systems have PAE but not NX.) (Does Fedora do something more sane here?) Fedora supports i686 kernels without PAE. The installer chooses to install a PAE kernel (or not) based on CPU and memory config - PAE capable systems with 4GB will get non-PAE kernel, as it is slightly faster and all memory is usable. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Fedora's method sounds much more reasonable. I agree with most of Ubuntu's decisions, but putting my ThinkPad T42 (1.7 GHz PM, 400 MHz FSB, Radeon 9600) out in the cold while my T43 (1.73 GHz, 533 MHz FSB, Intel GMA 900) remains supported is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. The T42 can run circles around the T43! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
@Chris Bainbridge re comment #31: but I haven't seen any reports of PAE kernel failing to boot on Pentium M. Does this go for Banias as well as Dothan Pentium Ms? My understanding is that Dothan actually supports PAE but was potentially crippled-by- chipset (but if so does that really touch cpuflags?) in common designs, while the original Banias supposedly completely lacks it [at least doesn't advertise it]... and the NX support that this is supposed to really be about came in with Dothan (which I assume will report under cpuflags in all circumstances?). I have a couple Dell D600s which are Banias so would be interested to know what the real deal is. (Not thrilled to play guinea pig more after treating the hardware as bricked for a year when it *was* supported because I expected the rtl8180 driver to work, but if no one else steps up...) Interesting that, per wikiality, Microsoft apparently made this same exact decision for Windows 8 and Fedora has apparently been enforcing it where supported by the hardware since c. 2009 but searching re: the Ubuntu issue never turned up screaming and rending of clothes from that camp. (Does Fedora do something more sane here?) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
MNLipp (mnl) wrote on 2012-10-28: my nc6000 is certainly not the fastest laptop around, but works very well and can still match the demands of a current Linux OS. I do not see why it (and similar) should be left out from new features coming with versions beyond 12.04. I just posted a comment on bug #930447 which explains the two possible options right now. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/930447/comments/157 Your system is Pentium M so it will probably work fine with a PAE kernel, try installing one with fake-pae and then boot from it. The worst that can happen is that it doesn't work, but I haven't seen any reports of PAE kernel failing to boot on Pentium M. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Maybe it is my English, but from the bug description Dropping the non- PAE ia32 kernel flavour has knock-on effects for installers I wouldn't have expected that this is marked as fixed with the non-pae kernel being removed from the installer disc in 12.10. I have opened another bug #1072311 that clearly states what is wrong here. If you're affected, you might want to support this new bug. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
To anyone who happens to come here while searching for help with non-pae capable hardware: Note that this bug has the wrong state, it should be Won't fix (see Dave Lentz's comment on #1072311: I agree that Fix Released status for Quantal is a bit confusing (should have been 'Won't Fix').) I found in a report about the Ubuntu Technical Board's discussion (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTAyNzM) that Maintaining the extra flavour is not much extra work. So I wonder about the decision to no longer support a non-pae kernel. I spent some time googling for comments on this problem and it seems that it is not just me (and the currently 10 also affected). There are quite a lot of people with older (some actually less than 5 years) but still fully usable laptops who are affected by this. As I stated in #1072311, my nc6000 is certainly not the fastest laptop around, but works very well and can still match the demands of a current Linux OS. I do not see why it (and similar) should be left out from new features coming with versions beyond 12.04. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Is the non-PAE kernel really that much of a hastle to deal with that it needs to be dropped? Isn't there some way to support non-PAE machines? I have an IBM ThinkPad T42 (2373-JXU) that will be out in the cold if PAE is no longer supported, and since the used laptop market is flooded with T40s, T41s, and T42s, I could see this turning off a lot of people. I know I'll be very displeased if my 15 1400x1050 IPS display-equipped T42 isn't supported by 12.10 and onward. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
On 15 August 2012 01:24, Dmitrijs Ledkovs launch...@surgut.co.uk wrote: Did you notice that there were no i386 server images published for quantal? Well, now I have. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
I've stumbled across the lack of a non-pae i386 kernel in quantal when I've tried to use an IBM Thinkpad T42 laptop as a thin client for quantal LTSP server. Not being able to use that old laptop as a thin client would be a waste of hardware. That particular laptop is worn out but other users have the same model in good shape and it is otherwise capable of running quantal reasonably. There must be other systems without pae which otherwise are quite useful to users today. This is me complaining a little bit in the name of all those who still don't know that they will not be able to upgrade their systems to quantal. Thanks and Blessings, Shahar -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
@mightyiam Did you notice that there were no i386 server images published for quantal? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
debian-installer (20101020ubuntu139) quantal; urgency=low * Remove the non-pae builds on i386, since the kernel no longer builds the -generic flavour there. -- Colin Watson cjwat...@ubuntu.com Fri, 04 May 2012 09:57:15 +0100 ** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu Quantal) Status: Triaged = Fix Released ** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu Quantal) Assignee: (unassigned) = Colin Watson (cjwatson) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
The non-PAE flavour has been dropped in Quantal. I'm marking the linux and linux-meta Quantal tasks Fix Released. ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Quantal) Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released ** Changed in: linux-meta (Ubuntu Quantal) Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Hello guys, I replaced the kernel in Livecd for i586 with the one that supports non- pae processor. It installs and update normally. Just download and be happy. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1286502/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386-nonpae.iso MD5SUM 7435d1d1740dcf16fbbba2e746de4de1 SHA1SUM 4fb527b2e2c6a00499677102df36ec466e79c373 SHA256SUM a8e4427889fa6786e4cfe82ad578fcbf833fe66146a180f90abcc5caa6fe6dbb -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Q-series) Status: In Progress = Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
** Changed in: linux-meta (Ubuntu Q-series) Assignee: (unassigned) = Tim Gardner (timg-tpi) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: linux-meta (Ubuntu Q-series) Status: New = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
I just posted another comment on the Pentium M specific topic. Rather than repeat it, here is the link: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux- meta/+question/187166. If PAE runs on PII 335mhz hardware, it's just a shame that it won't run on Pentium M 1700Mhz 2GB ram hardware. Isn't there anyway to just have two options for i386 users at time of release: the main primary PAE flavor which can be the default on the Ubuntu download page, and a secondary non-PAE image flavor in the cd image directory? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Colin, I just realized that I created some confusion. I was trying the non-pae mini.iso when I posted earlier. I'll deal with errors regarding it separately after doing some research, and taking into account that I'm testing a daily image. I have since learned that Lubuntu will NOT rebuild with the non-pae kernel. I convinced BubbaJ to file bug 930447. I hope he'll take time to provide a hardware profile. So, AFAIK there are two options for installing Precise on hardware that will not support pae: (1) Upgrade from Oneiric (although I notice some bits of pae being pulled into installed packages). (2) Use the non-pae mini.iso (or CLI from the alternate image) but that can be problematic. Both of those options require fast internet so I'm not sure we're living up to our promise to support non-pae throughout the Precise life cycle. Since all of my hardware works fine with the pae kernel I can't do much kernel related testing on my end, but I can certainly test installation procedures. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
@ Stéphane and/or Colin, I plan on doing some mini.iso testing in the near future, no help needed there as I've used it before. I just need to answer some of my own questions, such as whether --no-install-recommends is required when installing the various desktop environments. I'll just try both with and without, compare logs results, etc. My question is, in comment #9 Stéphane said, I know some flavours of Ubuntu chose to ship with non-PAE by default, using one of these (probably xubuntu and lubuntu) would work too. Based on that would it be improper to subscribe both lubuntu-dev and xubuntu-dev to this bug report so we could get a definitive answer regarding their decisions? I personally have no effected hardware so my testing ability is limited, but ATM it looks like upgrades from Oneiric w/non-pae to Precise remain non-pae, and undoubtedly using the mini.iso will work, but I'd think both of those options would require fast ethernet (no problem here). It would just be nice to know for sure what Lubuntu and Xubuntu plan to do ;^) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
I'm just initially trying the 20120208 mini.iso and having a horrible time with networking. Based on previous experience this is not uncommon. Even though I have a wired LAN, and a wired router, it can be very difficult to perform the initial installation w/o connecting directly to the modem. This means disconnecting all other devices in the house for several minutes :^( I typically then complete the installation using a chroot . or better yet, just performing the installation on another machine, but that will likely not be an option for many of those with outdated hardware. Given the need for fast ethernet combined with other complications the statement that non-pae will be supported throughout the Precise life cycle may need to be amended to if you're willing to jump through a lot of hoops you'll still be able to install on hardware that does NOT support pae :^) If either Lubuntu or Xubuntu chose to use non-pae by default that would almost make the statement true that we're supporting non-pae throughout the Precise life cycle, but still not quite, since Xubuntu will have only a 3 year life cycle, and Lubuntu will have only an 18 month life cycle. I'm basing those life cycles on what I've read recently, if they're wrong please do correct me. OTOH if we're going back on supporting non- pae throughout the Ubuntu Precise life cycle then we should just say so. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Erick, if you can boot the kernel at all, I don't see how PAE is your problem. It's not the kind of thing that breaks just one subsystem. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Colin, as I said in comment #15 I personally have no effected hardware. So pae is not a problem for me personally. I find pae to run quite well on all of my hardware, even an old 335mhz PII that I pulled out of the closet. But a few people on the forums have complained, AFAIK only BubbaJ has taken the effort to comment here, and I'm not aware of anyone reporting a bug. I'm just trying to find a definitive answer as to whether or not Lubuntu and Xubuntu will rebuild with non-pae, and I'd like to create a how-to for installing Ubuntu with non-pae. I'm just trying to find a solution for those who get the kernel requires feature pae and won't boot error, even though I'm not personally effected. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
BubbaJ, the mini.iso is just a very basic installer, there is just enough there to start the installation and make a network connection, from there you have to choose almost everything, from the mirror to use, to what packages you want to install. So basically at this point you are out of luck if you want to install on a non-pae system. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Generally speaking the defaults in the netboot installer (mini.iso) should be sufficient to install a system; you get asked a fair number of questions, true, but it's mostly a matter of hitting Enter a lot. Just select Ubuntu desktop when you get to the task selection question. Out of luck is overstating the case a bit really. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Regarding using mini.iso as a live media, no that won't work as mini.iso is a minimal debian-install images similar to what you'd load from a tftp server for a netinstall. I don't think it's possible to test Ubuntu 12.04 on a non-PAE machine using a live media at this point, at least I couldn't find any image where the non-PAE kernel is listed in the manifest. Colin will probably correct me here if I'm wrong. It'd probably be interesting for you to talk to the Xubuntu and Lubuntu folks who may target more the hardware that's old enough to miss PAE support and see if they'd consider changing their default kernel to the non-PAE variant. I guess it wouldn't be impossible to ship both kernels on the DVD image (that's meant to be put on a USB stick) but would likely require some work in ubiquity to remove the right kernel and in gfxboot to show the option to the user, I doubt this will happen before the FeatureFreeze which is on the 16th of February. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Ok, I guess I must just be a simple person, but would it be too difficult to build two separate image files, one with PAE and one with non-PAE kernel? All of the forum posts and developer notes from the recent tech board are confusing. From what I understand, in the December meeting the tech board reversed their recommendation and agreed to support the non-PAE kernel until 12.10. I guess I must just be slow to grasp what's going on. If the decision was to support non-PAE, then why is there currently no way to install a non-PAE version of 12.04. Seems like someone should be able to clear up the confusion. Why say that there is support if you can't do a fresh install of a 12.04 image with a non-PAE kernel? I'm coming from the user side, who is somewhat technical. If I'm confused, then you can bet that the casual user will be more confused. Enough probably to pursue other alternatives. Never having used the mini.iso route to build a system, it sounds like it could be used to build a non-PAE kernel system, but is not the same user experience as installing from a full iso image. Is that correct? Is that what the board meant by support? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Thanks for the response and the link. Since I've only every used the cd iso to build a live usb, is it possible to use the mini.iso, to build a live USB that I could use to evaluate 12.04 without installing it first? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
Ok, I'm sorry in advance if this is not the correct place to post this question. But, I tried downloading the latest 12.04 daily build and tried to boot after flashing it to a live usb. I was not able to boot on my Thinkpad T42 and received an error that my CPU did not support the PAE kernel. My understanding is that the default for the i386 image will be PAE, but that non-PAE will be supported until 12.10. How would I go about installing the non-PAE kernel? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
One way I know is by using the mini.iso image (netboot) which exists in a non-pae flavour at: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/non-pae/mini.iso I know some flavours of Ubuntu chose to ship with non-PAE by default, using one of these (probably xubuntu and lubuntu) would work too. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
This bug was fixed in the package linux-meta - 3.2.0.8.8 --- linux-meta (3.2.0.8.8) precise; urgency=low * linux-image should point to the recommended kernel, move it to generic-pae on 32bit to match the rest of the CD. - LP: #897786 * Bump ABI -- Andy Whitcroft a...@canonical.com Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:44:26 + ** Changed in: linux-meta (Ubuntu Precise) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/linux-meta -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
** Also affects: linux-meta (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: linux-meta (Ubuntu Precise) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: linux-meta (Ubuntu Precise) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: linux-meta (Ubuntu Precise) Milestone: None = precise-alpha-2 ** Changed in: linux-meta (Ubuntu Precise) Assignee: (unassigned) = Andy Whitcroft (apw) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu Precise) Assignee: (unassigned) = Colin Watson (cjwatson) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
** Branch linked: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/debian-installer/ubuntu -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
This bug was fixed in the package debian-installer - 20101020ubuntu91 --- debian-installer (20101020ubuntu91) precise; urgency=low * Switch i386 to the -generic-pae kernel flavour, and add a new netboot/non-pae build for i386 that uses the -generic flavour (LP: #897786). * Exclude checksum files themselves (MD5SUMS, SHA1SUMS, and SHA256SUMS) from the contents of checksum files. -- Colin Watson cjwat...@ubuntu.com Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:36:01 + ** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu Precise) Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
** Branch linked: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.precise -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
** Also affects: live-build (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: live-build (Ubuntu Q-series) Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu Q-series) Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu Q-series) Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: live-build (Ubuntu Precise) Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: live-build (Ubuntu Precise) Importance: Undecided = High ** Changed in: live-build (Ubuntu Precise) Assignee: (unassigned) = Colin Watson (cjwatson) ** Changed in: live-build (Ubuntu Precise) Milestone: None = precise-alpha-2 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
This bug was fixed in the package live-build - 3.0~a24-1ubuntu20 --- live-build (3.0~a24-1ubuntu20) precise; urgency=low * Use i386 -generic-pae kernel flavour on Ubuntu = precise (LP: #897786). -- Colin Watson cjwat...@ubuntu.com Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:24:29 + ** Changed in: live-build (Ubuntu Precise) Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
My mistake; base-installer doesn't need to change, since it already prefers generic-pae if the installer itself is running on a generic-pae kernel. ** Also affects: ubuntu-cdimage Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: base-installer (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: base-installer (Ubuntu Q-series) Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: base-installer (Ubuntu Precise) Status: New = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
revno: 868 fixes bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/897786 committer: Colin Watson cjwat...@canonical.com branch nick: cdimage timestamp: Thu 2011-12-15 16:26:13 + message: use generic-pae kernel flavour on i386 (LP: #897786) revno: 1730 fixes bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/897786 committer: Colin Watson cjwat...@canonical.com branch nick: debian-cd timestamp: Thu 2011-12-15 16:31:31 + message: use generic-pae kernel flavour on i386 (LP: #897786) revno: 1731 committer: Colin Watson cjwat...@canonical.com branch nick: debian-cd timestamp: Thu 2011-12-15 16:32:11 + message: drop base-installer/kernel/override-image forcing server installs to generic-pae, as that's now the default ** Changed in: ubuntu-cdimage Status: New = Fix Released ** Changed in: ubuntu-cdimage Assignee: (unassigned) = Colin Watson (cjwatson) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
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[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
** Branch linked: lp:~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
** Also affects: debian-installer (Ubuntu Q-series) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: linux (Ubuntu Q-series) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Precise) Status: In Progress = Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
The outcome of the Technical Board discussion was that non-PAE will be dropped for 12.10, and that PAE will become the default boot kernel for 12.04 (depending on the results of testing). ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Q-series) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Q-series) Assignee: (unassigned) = Tim Gardner (timg-tpi) ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Precise) Milestone: precise-alpha-2 = None ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Milestone: precise-alpha-2 = None ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu Precise) Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu Precise) Importance: Undecided = High -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 897786] Re: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour
This is scheduled for discussion at the Dec 12, 2011 Technical Board meeting. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/897786 Title: Kernel is dropping non-PAE flavour To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/897786/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
