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[Expired for rhythmbox (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for
60 days.]

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Omer Akram]

could anyone confirm if the bug is fixed for them in Ubuntu 11.04?

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Toon Verwaest]

Just found out that profile=4 encodes something semi-ok but it appears
to still be played back broken. The noise is just more subtle (although
too annoying to listen to with headphones).

And profile=2 has the problem that the track numbers are not added to
the file. When I try to manually add them using rhythmbox itself, they
only stay until I restart rhythmbox. When I add them using easytag,
easytag finds them back after restarting easytag; although rhythmbox
doesn't notice the difference. If anyone has a solution for this problem
... I again only find descriptions of this problem online.

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Toon Verwaest]

I have had this problem for a long while as well, and just found this
bugreport which does not seem to help at all. Now I just found that the
skipping happens because of the fact that faac's default encoding
profile (MAIN) seems to encode or at least play back with
jitter/skipping. Switching to the profile to Low Complexity (fast) or
Long Term Prediction (slow) seems to fix it. (profile 3, Scalable
Sampling Rate, makes sound-juicer fail).

I will be using the following gstreamer pipeline from now on:

audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! faac bitrate=256000 profile=2 !
ffmux_mp4

(other options for faac can be found with "gst-inspect-0.10 faac";
testing pipelines can be done by starting sound-juicer from commandline
and seeing the error-messages when sound-juicer tries to initialize a
pipeline)

cheers,

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[anoop]

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Pedro Villavicencio]

closing the bug then, thanks.

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Re: [Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Kristian Erik Hermansen]

I will not be testing it, but others should feel free to reopen this
bug if they feel necessary.  Regards...

On 10/10/08, Sebastien Bacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> do you consider the issue fixed in hardy?
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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Sebastien Bacher]

do you consider the issue fixed in hardy?

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Sebastien Bacher]

the issue is not likely an application one rather due to gstreamer

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[lummie]

I agree, the audio quality is 100% better in hardy, certainly
acceptable.  However, although the files play back on the pc, when
transferred to an iopd (ipod touch in this case) they don't play.   Just
plays no noise for the length of the track

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Matt Hanyok]

I just tested this. It's... strange.

The files work better now than they did before; for example they are now
showing the proper run time of a file when played back in totem or VLC.
The skipping isn't as bad but sound is very clipped, sounds tinny /
vaguely underwater and occasionally runs over itself (if that makes
sense... like some parts echo for a while) when I play the file.

This is in Ubuntu Hardy, 64-bit, with the latest updates (including
those in proposed) as of half an hour ago.

Steps to duplicate:

1) Open Sound Juicer and Insert CD.
2) Make sure that output format is selected as "CD Quality, AAC (MPEG-4 audio)."
I don't remember if that is a default profile. Here is the gstreamer pipeline 
used:

audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! faac ! ffmux_mp4

3) Extract audio

I was trying to find some classical music on CD so I could post a sample
file but I can't find half of my CDs right now and rather wouldn't
upload a file of copyright-protected music.

The audio distortion is VERY noticeable if you rip a song with vocals.

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Sebastien Bacher]

does anybody still get the issue in hardy and could describe easy steps
to trigger the bug there?

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Fabian Zeindl]

Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote:
> This bug, and others, made me consider an alternative firmware. Now I
> don't use any proprietary AAC or MP3 formats. I use OGG/FLAC/SPX on
> my Rockbox firmware iPod now...
> http://www.rockbox.org/

The problem with rockbox is, that it isn't available for IPods of the
last generation, and probably never will be. (And there are still people
in the world who want to _keep_ the apple firmware, because they like
it. Me for example :-) )

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Re: [Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Kristian Erik Hermansen]

On Feb 11, 2008 1:31 PM, Silvio Arcangeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I experience the same exact issue when ripping CDs with Rhythmbox, on Ubuntu 
> Gutsy (just standard plain installation with the addition of multiverse 
> codecs).
> This bug is really annoying, i basically can't use my ipod with Ubuntu, and i 
> have to dual-boot to the other system i won't mention to rip cds to ipod... 
> It would be great if this could be fixed!

This bug, and others, made me consider an alternative firmware.  Now I
don't use any proprietary AAC or MP3 formats.  I use OGG/FLAC/SPX on
my Rockbox firmware iPod now...
http://www.rockbox.org/
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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Silvio Arcangeli]

I experience the same exact issue when ripping CDs with Rhythmbox, on Ubuntu 
Gutsy (just standard plain installation with the addition of multiverse codecs).
This bug is really annoying, i basically can't use my ipod with Ubuntu, and i 
have to dual-boot to the other system i won't mention to rip cds to ipod... It 
would be great if this could be fixed!

** Also affects: rhythmbox (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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Re: [Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Kristian Erik Hermansen]

On Jan 3, 2008 3:38 PM, Matt Hanyok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only workaround I know of is to use an application that doesn't rely
> on gstreamer for the encoding. The "abcde" program that some have
> mentioned uses the plain faac I think, so it isn't affected by this; I
> haven't tried it myself. Rhythmbox still tries its transcoding weirdness
> when iPod syncing even if you rip them with that, though, so you'd have
> to use Banshee or Exaile for syncing songs to one.

I previously utilized gtkpod to sync.  However, I converted my iPod
firmware to Rockbox and have never looked back.  Now I can just drop
songs on the storage volume without dealing with that iPod database...

> I'm wondering if this will be fixed in the course of the Hardy
> development cycle. I don't have a system I can run Alpha software on
> right now, sadly, otherwise I'd start using those releases and making
> reports on it.

I have been running Hardy since alpha1.  I still think gstreamer for
aac is broken.  Now I just use faac, when I have to.  But I also
converted all my music to OGG/Vorbis and audiobooks to OGG/Speex when
I moved to Rockbox...
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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Matt Hanyok]

The only workaround I know of is to use an application that doesn't rely
on gstreamer for the encoding. The "abcde" program that some have
mentioned uses the plain faac I think, so it isn't affected by this; I
haven't tried it myself. Rhythmbox still tries its transcoding weirdness
when iPod syncing even if you rip them with that, though, so you'd have
to use Banshee or Exaile for syncing songs to one.

I'm wondering if this will be fixed in the course of the Hardy
development cycle. I don't have a system I can run Alpha software on
right now, sadly, otherwise I'd start using those releases and making
reports on it.

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Fabian Zeindl]

I added a duplicate and found another related bug: #106322.

Is there at least some workaround for this?

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Matt Hanyok]

I'm also having this issue. Ubuntu Gutsy.

I noticed from the old documentation that there was a gstreamer0.8-faac
package required in addition to the gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg. I looked
through the repositories to see if there were equivalents to these for
gstreamer0.10 and saw a gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg but not a
gstreamer0.10-faac. Does such a package exist or has its functionality
been rolled into the ffmpeg package (or put somewhere else entirely)?

I've followed the steps in the current help documentation and I still
get these corrupted files when ripping.

I think this issue is related to bug 164265. Is it possible that it's
something in the part of the gstreamer pipeline called when AAC encoding
is being done? Maybe something in the plugin that causes incorrect
formatting in the file when it is created?

Brian,

The issue with Rhythmbox corrupting the files after transfer to an iPod
is detailed in the bug I linked above. I found that Banshee and Exaile
had no problem syncing with my iPod (4th gen, greyscale, 20gb, firmware
3.1.1); neither attempted transcoding like Rhythmbox did.

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Brian Alexander]

After using the command:

abcde -a cddb,read,encode,tag,move,playlist,clean -d /dev/cdrom -o m4a
-V -x

to rip the AAC files, it played correctly in Rythmbox but when I copied
the files to my iPod shuffle, they didn't play. I tried using Amarok to
copy the same files to my iPod and they worked fine. I'm switching to
Amarok because of this bug. I needed to install the package
libxine1-ffmpeg to get the AAC files to play in Amarok. I'm using Gutsy.

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Brian Alexander]

Workaround:

Use abcde instead as described at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping :

abcde -a cddb,read,encode,tag,move,playlist,clean -d /dev/cdrom -o m4a
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Re: [Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Mike]

On 25 Nov 2007, at 17:30, Sebastien Bacher wrote:

> distributing an aac decoder requires a license patent agreement,  
> sound-
> juicer offers it because you installed plugins from multiverse most
> likely. There is ten of thousands of bugs annoying users and the  
> number
> of duplicates and subscribers are used to determine on many users are
> annoyed by the issue.

A sensible way to work.

> You might be frustrated by this bug that doesn't
> make it an high importance for the other users though

The bug's not high importance for me, and I thought I'd unsubscribed  
from it -- apparently not, as I'm still getting these notifications.   
(I'll have to check.)

Of course, that doesn't mean that I don't care about being able to use  
MP4 audio.  Neither does it mean that I think MP4 audio an unimportant  
format strategically.  It's merely that I've realized that it's better  
to make other arrangements for encoding.  (Of course, the same may  
apply to others who haven't even bothered to subscribe.)

At least playback is there, and even if encoding could be done I doubt  
anyone's going to compete on quality with either Nero's AAC encoder or  
the one that QuickTime 7.3 is using, anyway.

Perhaps any Ubuntu users who aren't dual-booting and who are  
frustrated by this issue might try encoding to a lossless format, such  
as FLAC, instead.  They could then transcode from FLAC to AAC using  
Foobar2000 whenever they could get access to a Windows machine quite  
easily provided Nero's codec was installed.  Apparently, some people  
have successfully used Nero under Wine, too:



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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Sebastien Bacher]

distributing an aac decoder requires a license patent agreement, sound-
juicer offers it because you installed plugins from multiverse most
likely. There is ten of thousands of bugs annoying users and the number
of duplicates and subscribers are used to determine on many users are
annoyed by the issue. You might be frustrated by this bug that doesn't
make it an high importance for the other users though

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[faithful]

Sorry, we don't want to bother mantainers with our complains. We only
consider this bug not a low priority because of the impact in our life.
We only request more attention for a bug that is present unaltered in 2
Ubuntu releases and manifest itself in every standard install i've done.

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Fabian Zeindl]

AAC is as far as I know not a proprietary format. It's even standardised by ISO.
If the format is not supported by the standard installation, then why does 
soundjuicer offer it?

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Sebastien Bacher]

creating extra bug mail activity for the maintainer by adding yet
another comment asking about the settings will not make you get a reply,
quite the contrary. The bug has almost no subscriber, only 1 duplicate,
doesn't happen to everybody, the format is not support by the standard
installation due to since it's a commercial one and there is thousand of
desktop bugs and only a limited number of people working on those

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Cymro]

Could someone explain why this is this "low priority"?

We talking about the most popular consumer Linux distro, one of the top
2 or 3 music formats, as used by the iPod (!) and a huge number of other
music players and mobile phones. If you use Ubuntu and AAC, the software
is broken.

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[faithful]

This problem perisist on Gutsy.
Why this bug it's a low priority?

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Fabian Zeindl]

this bug should have all necessary information. if not describe what
exactly you need.

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Fabian Zeindl]

* Install the following gstreamer-10-plugins (some of them in multiverse and 
universe): base, good, bad, bad-multiverse, ugly, ugly-multiverse, ffmpeg
* Do NOT install any gstreamer-0.8 packages
* insert a CD and open soundjuicer
* create/select a pipeline like this: audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! 
faac ! ffmux_mp4
* rip the CD
* listen to the tracks

I see this bug too, and not only on my computer but on any ubuntu-
machine I use.

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Sebastien Bacher]

Could you describe easy steps to trigger the bug?

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[cometdog]

I have the same problem, AAC audio ripped by sound juicer is skipping.

What information do you lack on this bug?  Please let me know and I'll
try to provide some.

Running Feisty Fawn.  Originally installed ugly codecs, etc., some stuff
from multiverse, I think.

Sound Juicer appears to rip the AAC file correctly, results in a file on
the disk of reasonable size.  Time for the tracks as displayed in
Amarok, or by viewing properties in Nautilus, are much longer than the
original play times (~12 minutes instead of the original 3, for
example).  When playing the files they consist of a fraction of a second
of audio, followed by a silent gap, then more audio, more silence, etc.

I looked at the instructions given by Mike above.  I had originally
followed some different instructions somewhere for getting the
questionable codecs working, so I looked at the packages I had
installed.  I had many things under gstreamer0.10 installed (such as
-ffmpeg, -plugins-good, -plugins-bad, -plugins-ugly, and more), but none
of the gstreamer0.8 packages.  Per the instructions above I installed
gstreamer0.8-faac, -mad, -faad for good measure, and all dependencies.
Also installed libfaac0 1.24 and faac 1.24.

The problem still exists -- no discernable difference between AAC
ripping before or after installing the extra packages.

** Changed in: sound-juicer (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => New

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Sebastien Bacher]

We are closing this bug report as it lacks the information, described in
the previous comments, we need to investigate the problem further.
However, please reopen it if you can give us the missing information and
don't hesitate to submit bug reports in the future.

** Changed in: gstreamer0.10 (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Low
   Status: New => Invalid

** Changed in: sound-juicer (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => Invalid

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Daniel Holbach]

Does that fix the problem?

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Mike]

daVe,

I wonder if you used the instructions here:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping

Note that that says:

"install the gstreamer0.8-faac and gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg packages to
encode AAC files, and the gstreamer0.8-mad package to play them back."

However, I think the FAQ is in error. Surely the packages libfaac0 1.24
and faac 1.24 are needed as well.

I have to say that, even after getting those as well I couldn't make
sound-juicer encode to AAC. However, I could do it with Grip. There's a
howto here:

http://www.theengineer.org/~gbassett/grip_faac/

But note the settings there are a bit low. You'd need -q 150 and -c
22000 for a transparent encoding (roughly equivalent to 175kbps). Also
note that Grip puts a bitrate of 128kbps in a box to be found on the
"Options" tab under the "Encode" tab. You have to take that out, so that
the box is blank, or Grip won't encode to a quality level, but will
over-ride that and use FAAC to encode to a fixed bitrate of 128kbps.

That works for me; however, it should be noted that there's still a
problem: the files get given the wrong MIME-type -- MPEG-4 video instead
of MPEG-4 audio. It's all a bit of a dog's breakfast. MP4 is the latest
audio standard from the Motion Picture Experts Group, intended to
replace MP3, and the default for iTunes/iPod; yet it's difficult to get
it to work on Ubuntu 7.04 even with the (possibly misleading) FAQs.

Sorry for the over-long post, guys. But I thought it was worth making
the point that the odd skipping in these files may possibly not be
caused by a bug in Sound-juicer, but might rather be down to not
installing all the necessary packages.

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[faithful]

I've the same problem and I use Feisty. I've attached an example of a
tipical extraction.


** Attachment added: "Moonlight sonata by Beethoven"
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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[Sebastien Bacher]

Thank you for your bug. What version of Ubuntu do you use? Could you
attach an example to the bug?

** Changed in: sound-juicer (Ubuntu)
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 Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
   Status: Unconfirmed => Needs Info

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[Bug 95326] Re: sound juicer aac formatted files skip and...

[daVe]

while i cannot attest to the problems attributed aac encoding within
sound juicer, i can confirm the second part of this bug, known as
'another peculiarity'.  the dialog box behaviour is indeed reproducible
on my end under feisty, as is the inability to see any other output
profiles when back at the preferences dialog under 'output format'.

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** Changed in: gstreamer0.10 (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: sound-juicer => gstreamer0.10

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