[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-24 Thread Holger Berndt
I think Nautilus' behaviour is correct. The behaviour is by design, and
the confirm_trash option is doing what it is supposed to do: Request
confirmation for the non-revertable actions Delete Trash and Delete
files, but not for the revertable Move to trash.  And guys, please
stop speaking for the users - 10 vocal guys on a bug tracker don't
represent a majority of users.

That being said, I agree that a cluebar with an Undo button might be a
useful _enhancement_ to Nautilus.

But this whole discussion also has a downside. Nautilus is not the only
program which can move files to the trash, so that option would either
make the desktop more inconsistent, or it would have to be implemented
in all applications that can send files to the trash.

There might be another option: It's easy to monitor the trash, and act
upon trash-related events, no matter which application caused it (Python
code for having notification bubbles on trashing stuff would probably
not be longer than this very post). So this feature would maybe better
be implemented outside Nautilus.

Of course, there is already an application that does exactly this: The
trash applet. So one possible solution would be to provide an option to
make this one more noisy, and maybe provide a trashing-diary with undo
buttons.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-24 Thread Martin Marek
I think Nautilus' behaviour is correct. The behaviour is by design, and the 
confirm_trash 
option is doing what it is supposed to do: Request confirmation for the 
non-revertable actions 
Delete Trash and Delete files, but not for the revertable Move to trash.

Despite I have different opinion, I accept the Nautilus authors'
decision. I just wonder if the requested behavior can be reached e.g. by
some plugin.

That being said, I agree that a cluebar with an Undo button might be
a useful _enhancement_ to Nautilus.

I can also imagine such a solution - not obtrusive, but giving
sufficient visual feedback to the user, with a possibility to revert the
action. Just to find find proper look and feel...

Python code for having notification bubbles...

Concerning some system-wide notification, I would be careful here. With
the new notification system in jaunty, I can feel inflation of
notification a bit as many apps still notify something (IM events,
music player, incoming email...)

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-24 Thread mac_v
I have to say Sebastien and Holger are correct...

The present behavior is correct.

THERE IS a confirmation while final deletion of the trash, Just because A 
couple of users did a mistake by ignoring the final deleting confirmation ,and 
not checking what they are deleting...
 it not useful to change the behavior for ALL the others!

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-24 Thread Yann Lossouarn

Mac_v, Sebastien, Holger, I understand your point of view, and I partly agree 
with you : basically, I think the way Nautilus runs is good. Deleting files is 
possible without asking confirmation each time, and asking confirmation only 
before the real deletion is really fluent...

BUT, what makes me say that eventhough I like current Nautilus way of
behaving, I'd prefer it to be changed is the discrepancy between
Nautilus/Gnome and other major OS'es. Both Windows  MacOS ask
confirmation before both file deletion and trash emptying. Most people
expect a confirmation at this point. For better usability, we shall meet
this expectation AND make this feature customizable so that people like
you (and probably me) can deactivate the confirmation before file move
to trash.

Here's the way it's implemented in Vista :
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=595

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-24 Thread Wouter Stomp
The confirmation before emptying the trash is often useless, as by the
time I have to empty the trash there are often hundreds or thousands of
files in it and there is no way I am going to spot that accidentily
deleted file between them.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-24 Thread kenden
I have changed the title to better reflect the situation: 
the current behavior is working as designed, this bug is about get getting a 
new feature: an option to get a warning. 
The Importance of the bug should be changed to wishlist.

Regarding inconsistency of behavior with other programs, there is an equivalent 
bug for Rhythmbox:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox/+bug/234353
Other programs might have this request logged also.

** Summary changed:

- Delete file in Nautlus - no warning
+ Add confirmation dialog before deleting files in Nautilus

** Summary changed:

- Add confirmation dialog before deleting files in Nautilus
+ Add an option to get a confirmation dialog before deleting files in Nautilus

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Re: [Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-24 Thread Tomer Shalev
Please can you answer the following question:

If I open a directory in Nautilus, select a file, and press delete - will I
be presented with a confirmation dialog-box?
And now I close all windows, and select a file on the desktop, then press
delete - will I be presented with a confirmation dialog-box?

Should these two scenarios behave the same? Isn't the desktop a specific
case of a folder opened in Nautilus?

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-22 Thread Martin Albisetti
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-22 Thread David Siegel
Marking this as High importance because it deserves some user testing to
determine the appropriate solution.

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Importance: Undecided = High

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
Milestone: None = round-7

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-22 Thread Jonathan Blackhall
Just putting in my 2 cents: Wouter's suggested idea is a fantastic
compromise.  It allows power users to keep using the delete key without
being interrupted by having to confirm an action, but things that are
accidentally trashed can be quickly and easily un-done.  It'll be
interesting to see what the user testing shows.

Perhaps we could have one of those yellow message bars that some
applications use, to tell you you deleted a file and providing a
button to cancel it? It is less intrusive and still provides a clue
about what happened and a way to undo it.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-21 Thread Dominator
** Also affects: hundredpapercuts
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-06-01 Thread Sebastien Bacher
could people stop adding such comments there, you are only spamming
people subscribed to the bug, you should discuss the change on bugzilla
if you want to convince the code writters, ubuntu only distribute the
option, and one could think that checking what is in the trash before
emptying it would make sense

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-05-22 Thread Sky
After losing my entire movie collection due to an accidental deletion
(how was I supposed to know half my hard drive was in the trash can when
I emptied it?), the lack of a confirmation option may well be enough to
get me to move back to Windows. It is absolutely absurd to me that an
operating system as powerful and flexible as Ubuntu won't even give me
the *option* to request a dialogue box before deleting items with one
keystroke.

I'm a huge fan of Linux, but this is probably a deal-breaker for me --
especially since this is a feature that's been requested for years from
many users and still has not been implemented. If I can't find a
workaround for this, I'll be forced back to Windows, because I simply do
not have the time to continually restore all of my files from backup due
to one accidental keystroke.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-05-16 Thread GG
I swear I am having the hardest time understanding those who oppose this.
There is already a checkbox to ask the user whether they want a confirmation 
dialog for real delete.
What is the big deal in having another checkbox to ask whether they want a 
confirmation upon move to trash???
It's 10 lines of code, for chris sake! 
You don't want no confirmation dialog? You leave unchanged and your life is the 
same. 

I did loose some files just because I hit the delete key
accidentally(reads: *without even noticing I did*). How useful is the
trashbin when it contains things that you are not even aware are inside?
You empty your trashbin and voila, your data are gone! This is
incredible.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-05-10 Thread Dominator
What's the problem in making it an option? So everyone will be satisfied.
I need definitely a confirmation dialog, because every now and then I 
accidentally hit the del key without noticing.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-05-04 Thread Saha
This is a bug because if there is an option Prompt for confirmation
when sending a file to trash it MUST work!

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-04-21 Thread aljos
I never said it was confusing.
Using ctrl-x and ctrl-v needs no confirmation (though feel free to make it an 
option), and i don't think i need to explain why.
Konqueror by default (at least the version i'm using) actually asks you if you 
want to move, copy, or link a file every time you drag and drop one.  This is 
of course configurable.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-04-21 Thread aljos
This is rather disappointing.  First of all, we don't need notification
bars, or fancy things to tell us we accidentally deleted something.
Second of all, why is upstream so determined to change the mindset of
the users?

This is really simple, add a small option somewhere in the settings
(it's not like there are an overwhelming amount of options already).
Prompt for confirmation when sending a file to trash.  Put a little
check box next to it.  Heck, you don't even have to make it checked by
default.  How hard is this?  I can think of no easier solution to
something that a large group of people consider a problem.

Sadly, my words are wasted.  I was growing fond of Gnome's simplicity,
but this mindset has convinced me that the Gnome camp is not where i
want to be... and even not where the majority of my customers want to
be.  This single item is actually large enough to switch them all over
to KDE.

Yes, i know i can use Konqueror or Dolphin in Gnome... but they're just
not seemless.

Good night, and have fun with your ultra user friendly GUIs that
confound the masses.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-04-21 Thread Sebastien Bacher
not sure why you consider not asking confirmation for actions as
something confusing, do you want a dialog you choose to cut a file are
you sure to be displayed when doing ctrl-X too? and a confirmation you
are going to move those files there when doing a drag and drop
somewhere too?

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Re: [Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-04-20 Thread Wouter Stomp
Perhaps we could have one of those yellow message bars that some
applications use, to tell you you deleted a file and providing a
button to cancel it? It is less intrusive and still provides a clue
about what happened and a way to undo it.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Chris Coulson
chrisccoul...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Are you serious?! Any other desktop environment (Windows / KDE) asks. This 
 is what the user expects!
 Feels like riding a sport car without brakes...

 That doesn't mean it is correct though. A confirmation dialog for moving
 to trash would be intrusive. The trash is there to cover you in the
 event you accidentally delete a file. If people want a dialog, then we
 should just get rid of the trash entirely, as it would be completely
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 Status in Nautilus: Won't Fix
 Status in “nautilus” source package in Ubuntu: Triaged

 Bug description:
 Binary package hint: nautilus

 SUMMARY

 If a file or a folder is selected in Nautilus and you accidently press Delete 
 button, they are moved to the Trash.

 NO warning is issued (even though in Nautilus Preferences Ask before 
 emptying the Trash or deleting files is selected )

 Very annying and dangerious bug to a common user - I deleted very important 
 data without realising then cleaned the Trash, so lost that information.

 NOTES

 For example, Konquerer asks you if you want to delete a file or a folder.

 ProblemType: Bug
 Architecture: i386
 Date: Sun Mar 25 11:36:22 2007
 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 7.04
 Uname: Linux acer 2.6.20-12-generic #2 SMP Wed Mar 21 20:55:46 UTC 2007 i686 
 GNU/Linux


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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-04-19 Thread Chris Coulson
 Are you serious?! Any other desktop environment (Windows / KDE) asks. This is 
 what the user expects!
 Feels like riding a sport car without brakes...

That doesn't mean it is correct though. A confirmation dialog for moving
to trash would be intrusive. The trash is there to cover you in the
event you accidentally delete a file. If people want a dialog, then we
should just get rid of the trash entirely, as it would be completely
redundant.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-04-17 Thread Tomer Shalev
 upstream disagree that's a bug, they have a point you can restore
things moved in the trash easily and adding confirmation dialogs is
rather annoying than useful in most of the cases

Are you serious?! Any other desktop environment (Windows / KDE) asks. This is 
what the user expects!
Feels like riding a sport car without brakes...

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-04-16 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: nautilus
   Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-04-16 Thread Sebastien Bacher
upstream disagree that's a bug, they have a point you can restore things
moved in the trash easily and adding confirmation dialogs is rather
annoying than useful in most of the cases

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-04-11 Thread Stefano Fraccaro
I have accidentally pressed the delete key... and I HAVE LOST my data because I 
have not looked for disappeared icon 2 days ago!!! I don't know that gnome put 
this files directly to the Recycle Bin... because when I delete a file with the 
right click of the mouse Gnome tell me are you sure? and this is the correct 
behaviour!! 
The rules ask for deleting is clear... ASK ASK ASK... why Gnome does not ASK 
if I will that Gnome MUST ASK???
FIX this (really simple and stupid) bug please!!!

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-02-22 Thread bon3fire
I'm actually of the other camp. I get frustrated having to lose time
confirming every action I wish to perform. It makes me scream Yes I
wish to delete this file, why do you think I pressed delete in the first
place? at my screen. It makes me think back in horror to the days I
used that fisherprice green-blue operating system.

Yes, true. I hate the Trash. I do not approve with this concept. If I want to 
delete, I press shift + del to delete the freakin file or i use rm WITHOUT the 
interactive option. I hate being asked for confirmation of things I know I want 
to do.
I do not put things in Trash, I delete.

Now if I happen to accidentially press delete, nautilus moves my files
away without asking. I do not like that. My torrent folders just moved
to the trash and my torrent app whined it could not access the anymore.
I lose files because of this behaviour. Please appeal to the people in
charge to put an OPTION there where you can disable the trash OR just
put a bloody confirmation dialog there.

The del key is just tooo much in reach to be accidentially pressed.
Ubuntu gets more and more user friendly with every release, why not
put that there, too.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-02-09 Thread Sebastien Bacher
nautilus asks confirmation before deleting but not when moving to trash
there is nothing destructive for your datas there

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-02-09 Thread Cesar
My impression is that this bug was meant to be like it is right now.
If the previous is true, then this discussion should not exist within
this bug-reporting system.  I can't convince myself that the developers
of nautilus didn't think about it, since many other operative systems
include this behavior.

The question  will be then... why do they take this decision? I would
really love to hear some arguments regarding this respect.

reading the comments, I found my self very impressed to see how people
try to enforce others to use a system that doesn't ask for confirmation
before deleting, while others beg for having a warning before removing a
file. My opinion is that clearly a simple check box can avoid this
disjunctive as the decision is left to the user of each system.

best regards

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-02-09 Thread Tomer Shalev
We should differentiating the two ways of sending a file to the trash
bin - dragging and dropping, or pressing the Delete key.

In the case of drag'n'drop, it is not expected to confirm the file
'deletion'. This is the way it is done on MS Windows also.

In the case of pressing 'Delete', I believe it is expected (by default!) to 
confirm the file operation. It is reasonable to include an option to disable 
the confirmation, either by a system setting, or by a 'Don't ask again' 
check-box shown on the confirmation dialog (unchecked when shown).
File deletion confirmation when pressing 'Delete' is also used in MS Windows. I 
believe this is the expected behavior by the majority of users, especially new 
and inexperienced users. As said, more advanced users can disable this feature.

The facts are that users accidentally delete files by pressing 'Del'
button, and sometimes they don't notice that, as the icon just
disappears (is there any sound played by default?). Later, after
emptying the recycle bin, they realize it is gone. Some users don't know
they should look the disappeared files there...

 there is nothing destructive for your datas there
When a file is moved to the trash bin, the user considers it GONE. Not all 
users know to look for the files there, not all of them know they can restore 
it. Data should not be kept there, so being there means it is deleted. Moving 
it out from there is a restoration operation, not a normal arrangement of the 
user's data.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-02-07 Thread aljos
Has nautilus always been this way?  I find it hard to believe that any
file manager would not have this option available.  I have been a
konqueror user for a while and was hoping to get used to nautilus, but
have come across many very basic issues like this one.  I will be
switching back to konqueror until this is fixed.  This bug is far to
risky for me.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2009-02-05 Thread Francis Leboutte
This behaviour is really incredible. I can't believe this *** bug *** has to be 
discussed so lengthy and has not yet been fixed.
If you don't like to get a warning when deleting a file, you should just had to 
check the appropriate option to get rid of the warning.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-12-29 Thread Zmaster
This is my patch (it's for SVN).
If Ask before emptying the Trash or deleting files is checked in Nautilus 
preferences it will show a confirmation dialog when trying to trash something. 
The dialog text needs to be translated, it will default to english.

I also posted this patch in Mailing List on Wed, 17 Dec 2008.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-10-02 Thread Sebastien Bacher
not nominating this bug that's not a new behaviour and in no way a
stopper for intrepid

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-09-23 Thread michaël
I'm actually of the other camp. I get frustrated having to lose time
confirming every action I wish to perform. It makes me scream Yes I
wish to delete this file, why do you think I pressed delete in the first
place? at my screen. It makes me think back in horror to the days I
used that fisherprice green-blue operating system.

If you press delete and clear the trash without looking which files you
will be deleting, than sure you will be eventually loosing files and
using computers is going to be dangerous for you. But people please,
we have countless backup and versioning systems to save us from
disaster. And the terror of cats can be overcome by locking your
computer if you leave it unattended. Confirmation dialogs are just plain
annoying.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-09-15 Thread Wouter Stomp
A friend had his cat walking over his keyboard resulting in the deletion
of many files that he actually selected to copy them. There really
should be a confirmation dialog preventing this from happening! It
doesn't seem to be something that is hard to implement...

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-08-03 Thread GG
I feel this bug should have highest importance.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-05-31 Thread dashton
Any progress on this one?

I seem to be able to delete a folder from my Ubuntu file server by
simply clicking the delete key. (When viewing the shared directory
from my Ubuntu hardy desktop) This is really dangerous as (I don't
believe) it goes into any kind of trash folder -  the data is simply
lost.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-04-04 Thread Kamujin
This is a no brainer that most software developers figured out decades
ago. I can't think of one legitimate reason that this should not be an
option.

It's far to easy to make the mistake of moving a file/folder to the
trash bin without noticing. There should be an option to confirm any
delete or move to trash operation.

Aside from the fat finger mistakes, there is the occasional confusion
about which window has focus that can lead to an unwanted move to trash.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-03-16 Thread Florin Oprea
Please take a look at my keyboard. My delete key is near the up arrow key so I 
delete accidentally many files.
I reported this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but the answer was:
because this is not windows, and because you can always go to the trash bin 
and undelete it again. :-)
1. This is not windows but files goes without warning or confirmation into 
Trash and there is no restore action so everything to go in the right place. If 
you delete a file and you don't remember the right location there can be a 
problem.
2. The chance to wrote accidentally a delete command into console is smaller 
than pressing del key. So I think is very dangerous.
3. This is delete, no creating accidentally a new file or whatever. Is not so 
hard to implement an option ( [] confirm deleting files)

Please fix it... This behavior must be optionally. I want
confirmation... I check option. Someone else don't want confirmation?...
uncheck option. I don't like enforcements.

Regards.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-03-13 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: nautilus
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-03-12 Thread Fred
This is very dangerous!

We are talking about users data and important data here!
This should always be handled with care!

Please, fix this!

Nautilus SHOULD warn!

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-03-12 Thread Sebastien Bacher
you will not convince people by repeting the same comments, you are
welcome to work on the issue, there is thousand of bugs and a small team
working on those

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-03-01 Thread Fred
I agree!

It should ask for confirmation before it deletes files!

People can accidentally press 'delete' and delete files accidentally
without even realizing it, that is dangerous!

With lots of file in trash, people don't inspect all, and just click
'Empty Trash'.

New users, if they expect to see confirmation dialog, and they don't,
they can panic.

Importance: Low? This is peoples data at risk here!

Fix this ASAP!

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2008-02-11 Thread Boris Burtin
Another vote for this one.  I'm a pretty advanced user, and spent 5
minutes today looking for files that disappeared after I misclicked.
Nautilus should definitely offer the option to confirm before moving or
deleting.  Displaying the details of the operation in the status bar
would also be helpful (moved/deleted these files from dir1 to dir2).

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2007-12-20 Thread KWolf
This is irritating to me, I wish it would include a working toggle to
enable a dialog warning when deleting files.

At least remove the part in the checkbox description under nautilus
prefs that says or deleting files since it doesn't work.

Someone fix this please :)

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2007-12-20 Thread Pedro Villavicencio
** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Triaged

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2007-06-05 Thread Szabolcs Szakacsits
That's interesting because quite many NTFS-3G users complain to us
developers about Nautilus moving deleted files to the .Trash-username'
directory in the root of the NTFS volume they are not aware of:
http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#diskspace

Given that many people are confused in either case, a reasonable default
behavior seems to be

- asking for confirmation 
- checkbox if the files should be permanently removed or moved to a 
__specified__ trashbin
- potentially a checkbox if user wants the same confirmation windows in the 
future

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2007-06-04 Thread mugroko
Things get even worse if you are working on a ntfs partition using ntfs-3g.
In this case, the files are completely removed without asking, no trash 
involved!

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2007-04-29 Thread wagnerluis1982
I am in favour to fix this. Or at least to have the option to choose if
the user want or no want the warning.

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2007-03-26 Thread Sebastien Bacher
** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Low
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs
   Status: Unconfirmed = Confirmed

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2007-03-25 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: nautilus (upstream)
   Status: Unknown = Unconfirmed

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2007-03-25 Thread Cesare Tirabassi
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #316807
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316807

** Also affects: nautilus (upstream) via
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316807
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 95853] Re: Delete file in Nautlus - no warning

2007-03-25 Thread Cesare Tirabassi
There is a discussion in gnome.org about this issue.
I'm personally in favour of not asking confirmation but warning the user (for 
instance through the status bar message).

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