[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-05-03 Thread David Henningsson
@Wouter, some material to read:
http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/2011/12/08/audio-debugging-techniques/
 - intro to audio debugging
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/standards/high-definition-audio-specification.html
 - the HDA specification
The relevant code is located in the kernel, file: sound/pci/hda/patch_realtek.c
http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio.txt - how to 
configure the HDA driver (although I doubt that will help in this particular 
case)

Good luck! :-)

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** Summary changed:

- [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all
+ [VPCZ13C5E or VPCZ114GX, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-05-02 Thread David Henningsson
Oh. So you indeed have two mic jacks, but one of them is integrated as
part of a headset jack.

All headset jacks I've seen so far have been 4-pin (Left headphone
signal, right headphone signal, mono mic in, common ground).

As for plugging headphones into a headset jack, and still being able to
use the internal mic, I wonder what to do about that. As there is no way
to detect whether you plugged a headphone or a headset in that jack, I
assume. So that's a generic problem, as these headset jacks are becoming
increasingly common.

One could note that pin 0x15 and 0x19 share the same channel group. I
wonder if that could be used to distinguish headset jacks from one
headphone jack and one mic jack.

It surprised me that the internal mic stopped working at scenario D. It
shouldn't - that could very well be a completely different bug.

So, no good news from me at this point. More noting that things were
even more complicated than anticipated. :-/

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-05-02 Thread Wouter van der Graaf
I'd love to know how this stuff works. Perhaps with some extra knowledge
about the internals would help. How does this configuration (channels,
groups, connections, locations, etc) relate to the hardware and how can
I configure this myself?

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Re: [Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-05-02 Thread Shannon VanWagner
Here's the alsa info from my configurations, if it does any good:

Without override:
http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=13185ac0bbdbc4ebab55dae50d92cf2e0549a7a0

With override:
http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=28e913288d233aabdd7e35fa6ac33828b885dc61

I have the Sony VPCZ114GX.

Thanks again for working with it.

Regards,
Shannon


On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:35 AM, David Henningsson 
960...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:

 Hmm, it seems unlikely that overriding the headphone would lead to
 working speakers, but assuming that you have double-checked and verified
 that this is actually what's causing it to work:

 The only thing that could remotely have any effect and that's different
 between images 2 and 4 is the channel group, but it's difficult to tell
 why without looking more closely at the kernel source code.

 Btw, are you currently having the DKMS upgrade installed, or not?

 Could you upload alsa-infos (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo
 ) for both the scenario where internal speakers do not work (but
 should), and where they actually work? We could then try looking for
 differences between them.

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 Status in “alsa-driver” package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

 Bug description:
  Sound works with my headphones plugged in. But without them there's no
  sound coming out of my internal laptop speakers.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
  Package: alsa-base 1.0.25+dfsg-0ubuntu1
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-18.29-generic 3.2.9
  Uname: Linux 3.2.0-18-generic x86_64
  AlsaVersion: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.24.
  AplayDevices:
    List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
   card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC889 Analog [ALC889 Analog]
 Subdevices: 1/1
 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
  ApportVersion: 1.94.1-0ubuntu2
  Architecture: amd64
  ArecordDevices:
    List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices 
   card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC889 Analog [ALC889 Analog]
 Subdevices: 1/1
 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
  AudioDevicesInUse:
   USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
   /dev/snd/controlC0:  wouter 3299 F pulseaudio
  Card0.Amixer.info:
   Card hw:0 'Intel'/'HDA Intel at 0xb642 irq 45'
 Mixer name : 'Realtek ALC889'
 Components : 'HDA:10ec0889,104d4400,0015'
 Controls  : 29
 Simple ctrls  : 16
  Date: Tue Mar 20 12:57:45 2012
  EcryptfsInUse: Yes
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal - Release amd64
 (20110427.1)
  PackageArchitecture: all
  SourcePackage: alsa-driver
  Symptom: audio
  Symptom_AlsaPlaybackTest: ALSA playback test through plughw:Intel failed
  Symptom_Card: Built-in Audio - HDA Intel
  Symptom_DevicesInUse:
   3299  wouterF pulseaudio
   PID ACCESS COMMAND
  Symptom_Jack: Speaker, Internal
  Symptom_Type: No sound at all
  Title: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to precise on 2012-03-13 (7 days ago)
  dmi.bios.date: 07/30/2010
  dmi.bios.vendor: INSYDE
  dmi.bios.version: R3030C3
  dmi.board.asset.tag: N/A
  dmi.board.name: VAIO
  dmi.board.vendor: Sony Corporation
  dmi.board.version: N/A
  dmi.chassis.asset.tag: N/A
  dmi.chassis.type: 10
  dmi.chassis.vendor: Sony Corporation
  dmi.chassis.version: N/A
  dmi.modalias:
 dmi:bvnINSYDE:bvrR3030C3:bd07/30/2010:svnSonyCorporation:pnVPCZ13C5E:pvrJ004EBJ6:rvnSonyCorporation:rnVAIO:rvrN/A:cvnSonyCorporation:ct10:cvrN/A:
  dmi.product.name: VPCZ13C5E
  dmi.product.version: J004EBJ6
  dmi.sys.vendor: Sony Corporation

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-05-01 Thread Wouter van der Graaf
Let's take a step back and look at what we have and what works under
which situation. So these are the 2 outputs and 3 mic inputs on the Sony
Vaio Z11/Z12/Z13:

 * Internal speakers (stereo)
 * Internal microphone (mono)
 * One combined 5-segment jack for headphones (stereo) and external microphone 
(mono or stereo?) for the Sony earplugs with built-in microphones on each ear 
that came with the laptop
 * One external microphone jack (assuming mono)

 A. In the default out-of-the-box situation, my internal speakers remain
silent. Earplugs do work, but mics in the earplugs do not work. Internal
mic does work and when I plug a microphone in the external mic jack, the
internal mic is silenced and the external one takes over.

 B. When I only check the Override for 0x15 (headphones), it fixes my
internal speakers and sound flows through my earplugs as soon as I plug
them in (and internal speakers are silenced). Earplug mics don't work.
Internal mic does work and when I plug a microphone in the external mic
jack, the internal mic is silenced and the external one takes over.

 C. When I only disable 0x18 (black mic, right side) by setting
Override to Not Connected, it does fix my internal speakers and
headphones still work as expected. But now I don't have any internal
microphone anymore. However, as soon as I plug in my earplugs with
built-in microphones, I do see a microphone input. Tapping left and
right earplug confirms that they work. I think the two mics (left ear
and right ear) deliver one input stream (mono), as I count 5 segments on
the jack plug - 3 for stereo out and 2 for mono in, correct? Or do you
think the two mics in the earplugs are stereo? The external mic jack
does not work in this situation.

 D. When I only disable 0x19 (also black mic, right side), my internal
speakers and headphones also work as expected. But again, no internal
microphone. And the earplug mic also does not work in this situation.
Only the external mic jack works.

 E. With 0x12 disabled I have no working speakers nor internal mic.
Earplugs do work, but its mics don't work. External one does.

Based on the above findings, I would conclude that:

 * 0x12 is the internal mic
 * 0x14 is the internal speakers
 * 0x15 is headphones output
 * 0x18 is the external mic jack
 * 0x19 is headphones mic input

Situation B works the best for now, but what we ultimately want (out-of-
the-box) is:

 1. Without anything plugged in: working internal speakers and internal 
microphone.
 2. With earplugs-with-mics plugged in (0x15 and 0x19): speakers silenced and 
earplugs take over. Sound options should show 2 mic inputs (internal and 
external) and user should be allowed to choose one of the two inputs.
 3. With external mic plugged in (0x18): internal microphone silenced and 
external one takes over. This action is more explicit - you intend to use the 
external microphone.
 4. With both earplugs-with-mics and external mic plugged in (0x15, 0x19 and 
0x18): speakers and internal mic silenced. Output flows through earplugs. 
External mic (0x18) is the only input (intentional use of external mic jack).

Do you think this is achievable?

Any pointers in the right direction?

Thanks so much for your time!

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-27 Thread Brett Howard
Not that it is a lot of help but this bug also affects me and installing
hda-jack-retask and only enabling the override on the headphones fixes
the issue for me just the same.

Thanks for everyone's work!  And thanks Wouter for posting this to the
email list!

~Brett

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-27 Thread David Henningsson
Ok, been diving a bit deeper, and I have another question. 
It seems you have two identical mic jacks at pin 0x18 and pin 0x19. Is this 
really true? If not, could you try disable one of them and see if this also 
makes your speaker work? (Try both to figure out which one is right and which 
one is wrong.)

The reason for this is the location. 
When the location is overridden (from Right to Left), not all jacks are 
considered to be next to each other. 
When all jacks are between each other, the driver tries to add an alternative 
mode to use HP jack + the two mic jacks as some kind of 5.1 surround 
(optionally). Exactly why this causes things to fail is beyond what I've 
figured out yet.

But if we disable one mic jack that actually does not exist, we're doing
something right, and speaker just might start to work as a fortunate
side effect :-)

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-27 Thread David Henningsson
 When all jacks are between each other

I meant to say when all jacks are at the same location

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-27 Thread Shannon VanWagner
Probably I'm just not seeing the bigger picture but it seems crazy that
this worked in the last release and then now it's broken. Can't we just
look at how it was setup last time and put it back to that? Just
thinking out loud. Cheers!

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-27 Thread Shannon VanWagner
Sorry for my short-sighted comment.. With all the umpteen-million lines
of code in play here, I guess it should be no surprise that things get
bumpy sometimes. This is progress!

Anyways, so I installed David's PPA and Wouter's comment #7 works
perfectly for me as well! I also installed the boot modification from
David's application and it still works perfectly after 2 reboots so far.
Also, for note - the volume is staying at the same level I left it as
well. Thanks for the awesome workaround everyone! Next, I will try to do
what you suggest to test to see what could be wrong. Cheers!

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-25 Thread David Henningsson
Hmm, it seems unlikely that overriding the headphone would lead to
working speakers, but assuming that you have double-checked and verified
that this is actually what's causing it to work:

The only thing that could remotely have any effect and that's different
between images 2 and 4 is the channel group, but it's difficult to tell
why without looking more closely at the kernel source code.

Btw, are you currently having the DKMS upgrade installed, or not?

Could you upload alsa-infos (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo
) for both the scenario where internal speakers do not work (but
should), and where they actually work? We could then try looking for
differences between them.

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-25 Thread Wouter van der Graaf
Unlikely, unless there's possibly something in the headphone settings
that makes Alsa believe the headphones are plugged in, while they're
not. I have no clue.

I couldn't believe it myself, but have verified it countless times.
Results of checking and unchecking this one Override checkbox are
consistent, even after reboots and sleep/resumes.

I don't have the DKMS upgrade installed anymore. I already uninstalled
it before trying out your application.

Original audio setup with speakers not working:

http://www.alsa-
project.org/db/?f=f98e72575a656d123c0e9b3acd3366f6843a8d80

Override checked for pin 0x15 (headphones) with everything working as
it should:

http://www.alsa-
project.org/db/?f=4c0528216069cee0f3b0a0bbeb638fc298f7638d

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-25 Thread Wouter van der Graaf
Using the diff viewer 'meld' I can see the following 10 changes:

 1. Node 0x04 and 0x05 have their Converter stream set to 0 (was 8).
 2. Control at Node 0x0d is renamed from Surround Playback Volume to Speaker 
Playback Volume.
 3. Controls at Node 0x0e Center Playback Volume and LFE Playback Volume 
are removed.
 4. Control at Node 0x0f Speaker Playback Volume is removed.
 5. At Node 0x14 the asterisk (*) at Connection is moved from 0x0f to 0x0d, 
reflecting the change at 2. and 4.
 6. Node 0x15 for headphone has different Pin Default settings.
 7. Control Surround Playback Switch is removed from Node 0x18.
 8. Controls Center Playback Switch and LFE Playback Switch are removed 
from Node 0x19.
 9. At Amixer output Controls changed from 29 to 22 and Simple ctrls went 
from 22 to 12.
 10. Simple mixer controls Surround, Center, LFE and Channel Mode are 
removed.

To sum it up: all controls for surround are removed and control for
speaker playback volume is moved from 0x0f to 0x0d. Headphone has
different Pin Default settings.

Odd how merely checking a checkbox in hda-jack-retask can change all
this. Still I'm not sure which change (combination) is responsible for
my audio to work again.

What should be the next step to isolate the cause? And how can we get a
solution that works out of the box (no hda-jack-retask needed)?

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-24 Thread David Henningsson
The fact that you actually can get sound out of it if you're using a
model parser means it should be doable to get it to work.

It could be that the BIOS exposes the wrong pin configuration, if so, you could 
try hda-jack-retask: 
install the hda-jack-retask package from my ppa - 
https://launchpad.net/~diwic/+archive/hda
When you have started the program, check the box show unconnected pins. Then 
try to turn off the internal speaker on pin 0x14 and turn it on another pin. 
Try all unconnected pins and see if they make a difference. 

That's my best guess at the moment, but I'm far from certain it will
actually help.

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-24 Thread Wouter van der Graaf
** Attachment added: 1. Initial view of my original audio setup.
   
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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-24 Thread Wouter van der Graaf
Thanks, man! Yes! With your application I've fixed the internal speakers
and kept headphone and speaker audio separated (when I plug headphones
in, speakers are silenced and headphones work). And internal mic is also
still working. So finally I have everything working on my Vaio Z13.

It's not the pins; internal speakers remain on 0x14 and headphones on
0x15. However, if I only check the Override checkbox for the
headphones on pin 0x15 in simple mode (don't check the Advanced
override checkbox and change nothing else), then it works!

Still, why does it work if I only check the Override checkbox and
change nothing else? What happened? Checking Advanced override reveals
some differences between the original situation and the Override. Why?

So the problem was related to the settings for my headphones somehow.
Overriding these with what fixed my internal speakers.

David, could you enlighten us? What did just happen? See attached
screenshots.

Thanks again!

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-24 Thread Wouter van der Graaf
** Attachment added: 2. Advanced view of the initial setup.
   
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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-24 Thread Wouter van der Graaf
** Attachment added: 3. Checked the Override checkbox, nothing else.
   
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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-24 Thread Wouter van der Graaf
** Attachment added: 4. Advanced view of the overridden headphones reveal 
automatically changed settings.
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/960124/+attachment/3101922/+files/4.override.advanced.png

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-23 Thread Wouter van der Graaf
Thanks, but unfortunately it's not fixed with this package. Nothing
changed. Any idea?

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-19 Thread David Henningsson
Hi!

You can check if the bug is fixed upstream by following this procedure:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/UpgradingAlsa/DKMS

Please report back and tell whether this helped you or not. Thanks!

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-04-19 Thread David Henningsson
** Changed in: alsa-driver (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Incomplete

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-03-30 Thread Shannon VanWagner
Any ONE of these strings(there may be more) added to the bottom of
/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf (then rebooting) makes the sound work but
beware as plugging in the headphones will not cancel out the sound via
the speakers - both will play sound. Can be embarassing if you're
thinking the sound will only go to the headphones when you have them
plugged in.

options snd-hda-intel model=sony-vaio-tt
options snd-hda-intel model=intel-x58
options snd-hda-intel model=intel-alc889a

Found with:
$ aplay -l
 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC889 Analog [ALC889 Analog]
...

Then to get the model to put in alsa-base.conf:
$ gunzip -c /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz |grep -i  
alc889
  intel-alc889a Intel IbexPeak with ALC889A
  intel-x58 Intel DX58 with ALC889

or

$ gunzip -c /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz |grep -i 
sony
  sony-vaio-tt  Sony VAIO TT

I think I'll boot up 11.10 and try to figure out what it thinks the card
is... Anyone know the command to figure that out?

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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-03-20 Thread Wouter van der Graaf
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[Bug 960124] Re: [VPCZ13C5E, Realtek ALC889, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all

2012-03-20 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: alsa-driver (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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