Re: [Bug 1] Closing makes sense; but close status is wrong
Hi :) I do not think this bug-report should be closed. There have been some good developments but it's not the end of the story. I think Ubuntu does have the ability to close this bug but only in collaboration with other projects and that is happening even if it's unofficially. People often start with Ubuntu as their 1st step into GnuLinux and then some of those go on to other projects. Reactions against the Unity UI has given strength to Cinnamon and Mate perhaps giving each the critical mass they needed to become more viable. Both became quite strong. Maybe some merging will happen but even if not there is a lot of discussion and a lot of lessons being learned and great developments in an area that had seemed to be getting quite stuck in following a certain path. I'm finding a LOT more people are suddenly far more willing to try out Ubuntu BECAUSE OF the Unity interface. If you think of Ubuntu as a stand-alone project then maybe it wont ever be the one that topples MS's dominance but Ubuntu is NOT ALONE. It's part of a huge eco-system that are in co-operative competition with each other. I think a lot of people that left Ubuntu may well return. It's part of the cycle that many people have gone through since the earliest days of Ubuntu. The people that join because they like the Unity UI may also step up and become very useful in the future. So, it's not over at all. It's not even the beginning of the end. It's just the beginning of another tumultuous and possibly exciting chapter in the history of Ubuntu. Regards from Tom :) From: Bradley M. Kuhn bk...@ebb.org snip / [0] Won't Fix isn't right because that would presuppose Ubuntu actually had the ability to fix the problem and chose not to. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Closing makes sense; but close status is wrong
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: People often start with Ubuntu as their 1st step into GnuLinux and then some of those go on to other projects. Reactions against the Unity UI has given strength to Cinnamon and Mate perhaps giving each the critical mass they needed to become more viable. Both became quite strong. Maybe some merging will happen but even if not there is a lot of discussion and a lot of lessons being learned and great developments in an area that had seemed to be getting quite stuck in following a certain path. I'm finding a LOT more people are suddenly far more willing to try out Ubuntu BECAUSE OF the Unity interface. Who cares the desktop UI? Most non-Linux people cares about gaming, from my limited observations. For example, my friends are playing DotA, what should I do as a Linux user do? I know I can use wine or buy CrossOver. But none of them can make I feel Linux superior in any sense. Worse if my GPU doesn't work well (though Warcraft III should be a piece of cake today) . Why do people go to other distros where they basically get alternative desktop UI and arguably better software repository and/or packaging system? Why bother? Yes, Ubuntu is more convenient if the user has a *nix mind. But how is such mind cultivated? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Closing makes sense; but close status is wrong
My thoughts: 1) On perseverance: Giving up is not an option. Can't Fix admits defeat. 2) On pragmatism: We might need to temporarily accept a binary blob (or three) or even a proprietary service along the road to Freedomville. When we do, we've introduced a bug to be fixed later. (It's a bit like taking shortcuts in programming. Sometimes we do that to get the result faster, knowing that there's debt to be repaid down the road.) 3) On timeline: Ubuntu will outlive all of us. Ubuntu is not just software. When making plans we should consider a planning horizon of at least 20 years. 4) On history: Just because others have failed to implement a business model that maintains independence from capital markets, and respects, spreads and preserves freedom, we should not assume that is the 100% probable case. History is not always a good predictor of the future and swans are sometimes black. Cheers, Randall. Ubuntu Evangelists Team. -- Ubuntu Buzz Generator /Ubuntu is not just software./ Join Ubuntu Vancouver http://meetup.com/ubuntuvancouver and see for yourself. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Closing makes sense; but close status is wrong
Hi :) +1 to all that. Except point 4. I think it's precisely because of the failures of others that our chances of success are increased 1. the failures at least raise awareness of the fact there are different opinions 2. It allows us to learn from the mistakes and try things a bit or a LOT differently Oh, and except point 1 also. No-one is talking about giving up except the people saying that is not an option or words-to-that-effect. Regards from Tom :) From: Randall Ross rand...@executiv.es Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013, 20:26 Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Closing makes sense; but close status is wrong My thoughts: 1) On perseverance: Giving up is not an option. Can't Fix admits defeat. 2) On pragmatism: We might need to temporarily accept a binary blob (or three) or even a proprietary service along the road to Freedomville. When we do, we've introduced a bug to be fixed later. (It's a bit like taking shortcuts in programming. Sometimes we do that to get the result faster, knowing that there's debt to be repaid down the road.) 3) On timeline: Ubuntu will outlive all of us. Ubuntu is not just software. When making plans we should consider a planning horizon of at least 20 years. 4) On history: Just because others have failed to implement a business model that maintains independence from capital markets, and respects, spreads and preserves freedom, we should not assume that is the 100% probable case. History is not always a good predictor of the future and swans are sometimes black. Cheers, Randall. Ubuntu Evangelists Team. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
