Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: I think the switch to Unity is beginning to pay off. Mee too. However, I am experiencing other issues that do make me more worry - I think I have mentioned that earlier. Currently I am reinstallating the laptop of my father because he was accidently clicking the upgrade button on his 10.04 and then he couldn't either re-login - Such experiences worry less experienced people as they cannot fix it on their own (I tried a while to fix it without success and then I decided that data and settings-backup + clean reinstall is maybe the far better option) and they loose trust into their OS (although my father uses Ubuntu for a longer time now he still uses a second Windows PC also - and now switched fully back to the windows machine until I have time to fix his Ubuntu-Laptop :-( ). Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:37 AM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: In the rush to be everything to the new user, the experienced user is being thrown under the bus. (You may argue that this is not your intent, but the view from under the bus says intent is not the only issue.) I have not seen an exodus like this since Windows ME. And it is not just Unity I like unity although I consider myself to be a power-user. It's not unity that is the problem and since 12.04 it works quite well. However, there are a few extremely annoying details (samples see buglist I posted before) that should get fixed before implementing new stuff. Finish one thing before introducing more new and unstable stuff. Already now I am worrying about wayland - although I perfectly understand and appreciate that decision, I worry there will be major issues in the beginning that makes it unusable for at least two versions of Ubuntu. It's the same as you don't need to talk somebody about self-fulfillment, who doesn't have a flat to live in. The basics must be solved before you can take it up to the next level. (I still recommend it for non-technical new users and tablet fans.) It is far to risky. I also trying to get Ubuntu spread - but a) I do not try to talk somebody into Ubuntu any more, I just tell them to choose a distribution they like and b) yes, I also feel be more on the risky side than ever (although there are different reasons for that which are not all the fault of Canonical). In the rush to get the new people, I am seeing something I had not seen in the Ubuntu community before; Churn. Churn is expensive, and is a regression towards fixing Bug1. I didn't know the word Chrun and looked it up in the dictionary getting several very different translations. Pretty sure, I don't get you right here. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
Hi :) I think the switch to Unity is beginning to pay off. Other distros that decided to write their own flavour of the new Gnome are going to get increasingly bogged-down with that. Hopefully they might be able to combine a few of those projects and at least one will remain sustainable and go in a good direction. It's a bit of a gamble though and there is no certainty in what they are doing. Ubuntu is primarily a gateway project to help people migrate away from non-GnuLinux. As such it is still highly successful. Even if a lot of people are still jumping-ship it doesn't really hurt Ubuntu all that much. Most of those people are likely to be working upstream in projects such as LibreOffice and other programs that are often used in Ubuntu. By working upstream they help more than one distro. Unity is becoming increasingly useful to power-users so many of those people will probably return but with new-found (or rediscovered) skills and interests and hopefully some interesting new ideas too. I wasn't a huge fan of Unity at the start but i had a feeling that things would go this way. Fortunately for me i am really happy with Unity in the 12.04 so i was able to stick with the 10.04 and then smoothly 'upgrade' (actually did a fresh reinstall on most machines) from one LTS to the next. So, for me it's all been a bit of a storm in a tea-cup. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Guruprasad lgp171...@gmail.com wrote: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766 While funny on one side, it seems that some more important issues are overlooked currently: ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/993187 This bug affects you and 305 other people... Window management - Cursor position changes relative to window while dragging windows https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/201681 This bug affects you and 74 other people... Automatic remount of safely removed drive https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/792085 This bug affects you and 68 other people... Dragging and holding a selection over an entry in the Launcher should spread out windows belonging to that application https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/607796 This bug affects you and 114 other people... pdftops CUPS filter has several problems https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/382379 This bug affects you and 50 other people... xmlcopyeditor does not start - needs a no-change rebuild in both Precise and Quantal https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmlcopyeditor/+bug/901547 This bug affects you and 34 other people... Drag Drop of browser links to the desktop does nothing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1012633 This bug affects you (wonder why only affects me - however, bug is confirmed)... Error while burning - some files may be corrupted on the disc https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/367037 This bug affects you and 28 other people Just to mention a few... Sincerely, I give a s... on Amazon search results in the Dash - at least not until all of the above are fixed. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
On 09/30/2012 05:33 PM, Martin Wildam wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Guruprasad lgp171...@gmail.com wrote: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766 While funny on one side, it seems that some more important issues are overlooked currently: I would say far more than funny. :) But also, quite sad. In the rush to be everything to the new user, the experienced user is being thrown under the bus. (You may argue that this is not your intent, but the view from under the bus says intent is not the only issue.) I have not seen an exodus like this since Windows ME. And it is not just Unity (since now you can get full Gnome 2 functionality without to many ugly hacks) or the Amazon ads (since your can turn them off) or the dumping of the alternate install disk, a tool without which this system I am typing on currently now could not have been installed on. (Graphics glitch which while fixable, it required changing things on the install and a reboot, something hard to do on a Live CD) It is the fact that over and over (including in the humorous thread listed) we are being told we are wrong. (Example https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766/comments/4 ) We are being told that they way we choose to do things is not the way they should be done, and if we don't like it, go to Lubuntu. The thing is that when you do that, you loose people. (Not just to Lubuntu, but you loose the spirit they once had.) I still promote Ubuntu, but not like I once did. I was the recruitment guy for the Houston LoCo. I sponsored Ubuntu hours, and launch parties. I even mentioned Ubuntu in an InformationWeek interview. I worked to get Ubuntu installed on Desktops in two different companies I worked in since I started using Breezy, but I would not do so now. (I still recommend it for non-technical new users and tablet fans.) It is far to risky. In the rush to get the new people, I am seeing something I had not seen in the Ubuntu community before; Churn. Churn is expensive, and is a regression towards fixing Bug1. I am not saying the direction you are going is a bad one. Just to look at the people you are leaving behind... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
