Re: [Bug 125283] Re: No "No Updates" Choice
On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 05:53:06PM -, Kirk Fraser wrote: > Turning off updates in 7 so I get no updates until 8 seems like an > appropriate balance between the risk of being damaged by a security > violation and the risk of being damaged by a security update. If you think > otherwise, quantify. It is necessary, look at the firefox security advisories ... search google 'mozilla security announce' ... Thanks, - Alexander -- No "No Updates" Choice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 125283] Re: No "No Updates" Choice
Turning off updates in 7 so I get no updates until 8 seems like an appropriate balance between the risk of being damaged by a security violation and the risk of being damaged by a security update. If you think otherwise, quantify. Kirk On 7/23/07, Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 05:07:43PM -, Kirk Fraser wrote: > > Again, I think the risk of not updating between Ubuntu 7 and Ubuntu 8 is > not > > significant. Therefore, perhaps you should quantify the risk if you are > > going to continue claiming it is "major." How many hours can U 7 be > > expected to run bug free with and without updates? I think that should > be > > the deciding factor for the general population of users, even though I > > understand developers must constantly update for a variety of reasons. > > its not about upgrading from 7 to 8 ... its about getting security > updates (e.g. you might read that as 7.x.x.0 to 7.x.x.1 > > - Alexander > > -- > No "No Updates" Choice > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > -- No "No Updates" Choice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 125283] Re: No "No Updates" Choice
On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 05:07:43PM -, Kirk Fraser wrote: > Again, I think the risk of not updating between Ubuntu 7 and Ubuntu 8 is not > significant. Therefore, perhaps you should quantify the risk if you are > going to continue claiming it is "major." How many hours can U 7 be > expected to run bug free with and without updates? I think that should be > the deciding factor for the general population of users, even though I > understand developers must constantly update for a variety of reasons. its not about upgrading from 7 to 8 ... its about getting security updates (e.g. you might read that as 7.x.x.0 to 7.x.x.1 - Alexander -- No "No Updates" Choice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 125283] Re: No "No Updates" Choice
Again, I think the risk of not updating between Ubuntu 7 and Ubuntu 8 is not significant. Therefore, perhaps you should quantify the risk if you are going to continue claiming it is "major." How many hours can U 7 be expected to run bug free with and without updates? I think that should be the deciding factor for the general population of users, even though I understand developers must constantly update for a variety of reasons. Kirk On 7/23/07, Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 04:22:29PM -, Kirk Fraser wrote: > > John, > > > > > What exactly do you mean Suse has this feature? > > > > I was at a Christian Game Developer's Conference in Portland last week > and > > saw one fellow who was running Suse on his laptop. I mentioned this > thread > > regarding Ubuntu updates. He said Suse is almost exactly the same as > Ubuntu > > and it allowed him to disable updates. He didn't show me how it was > done, > > so I assume it was part of the Suse setup. > > > > That is exactly what I mean as I have zero personal experience with > Suse. I > > also have no idea what you mean by "repos" -- for me the term is > associated > > with collection agencies. In my opinion there should be a way to > separate > > ones' system from being part of the Ubuntu developer's testbed. I would > be > > happy to live with the original install of Ubuntu 7 until Ubuntu 8 is > > released. > > > > I moved from Ubuntu 6 to Ubuntu 7 when 6 was getting too buggy although > I'm > > not sure if the loss of features was due to updates or a virus. U7 has > > acquired one bug I noticed due to updates. I simply want a guarantee of > no > > new bugs due to updates. Stopping updates is a guarantee. On the other > > hand, the "expense" of feature loss vs. the "expense" of so much email > > discussion about it is leading me to an "I don't care anymore" position > on > > the issue. > > Again, not updating your system when security updates are released > causes major security risk. > > - Alexander > > -- > No "No Updates" Choice > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > -- No "No Updates" Choice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 125283] Re: No "No Updates" Choice
On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 04:22:29PM -, Kirk Fraser wrote: > John, > > > What exactly do you mean Suse has this feature? > > I was at a Christian Game Developer's Conference in Portland last week and > saw one fellow who was running Suse on his laptop. I mentioned this thread > regarding Ubuntu updates. He said Suse is almost exactly the same as Ubuntu > and it allowed him to disable updates. He didn't show me how it was done, > so I assume it was part of the Suse setup. > > That is exactly what I mean as I have zero personal experience with Suse. I > also have no idea what you mean by "repos" -- for me the term is associated > with collection agencies. In my opinion there should be a way to separate > ones' system from being part of the Ubuntu developer's testbed. I would be > happy to live with the original install of Ubuntu 7 until Ubuntu 8 is > released. > > I moved from Ubuntu 6 to Ubuntu 7 when 6 was getting too buggy although I'm > not sure if the loss of features was due to updates or a virus. U7 has > acquired one bug I noticed due to updates. I simply want a guarantee of no > new bugs due to updates. Stopping updates is a guarantee. On the other > hand, the "expense" of feature loss vs. the "expense" of so much email > discussion about it is leading me to an "I don't care anymore" position on > the issue. Again, not updating your system when security updates are released causes major security risk. - Alexander -- No "No Updates" Choice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 125283] Re: No "No Updates" Choice
John, > What exactly do you mean Suse has this feature? I was at a Christian Game Developer's Conference in Portland last week and saw one fellow who was running Suse on his laptop. I mentioned this thread regarding Ubuntu updates. He said Suse is almost exactly the same as Ubuntu and it allowed him to disable updates. He didn't show me how it was done, so I assume it was part of the Suse setup. That is exactly what I mean as I have zero personal experience with Suse. I also have no idea what you mean by "repos" -- for me the term is associated with collection agencies. In my opinion there should be a way to separate ones' system from being part of the Ubuntu developer's testbed. I would be happy to live with the original install of Ubuntu 7 until Ubuntu 8 is released. I moved from Ubuntu 6 to Ubuntu 7 when 6 was getting too buggy although I'm not sure if the loss of features was due to updates or a virus. U7 has acquired one bug I noticed due to updates. I simply want a guarantee of no new bugs due to updates. Stopping updates is a guarantee. On the other hand, the "expense" of feature loss vs. the "expense" of so much email discussion about it is leading me to an "I don't care anymore" position on the issue. Kirk On 7/23/07, John Vivirito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kirk maybe suse does have it but Ubuntu is no where near the same as > Suse. We merge features and apps from Debian. Disabling 3rd party repos > and backport repos is ablet o be done in Ubuntu. What exactly do you > mean Suse has this feature? Ubuntu doesnt support packages/apps in 3rd > party repos at all that is up to 3rd party repo maintainers (if that is > what you meant. > > -- > No "No Updates" Choice > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > -- No "No Updates" Choice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 125283] Re: No "No Updates" Choice
I was told Suse has this feature. On 7/21/07, John Vivirito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > he shouldnt be disabling them as my comment was > > "if you are getting others than disable 3rd party repos as well as > backport repos." > > -- > No "No Updates" Choice > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > -- No "No Updates" Choice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 125283] Re: No "No Updates" Choice
On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 08:22:10AM -, John Vivirito wrote: > open the sources.list by typing gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list > than add a # to the front of the repo. than save and close than run sudo > apt-get update. > Remember that if you disable updates, you will end up with loads of security issues that have public testcases/exploits avaialable. Its your decision, but disabling security updates is just the wrong way to go. - Alexander -- No "No Updates" Choice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 125283] Re: No "No Updates" Choice
Thanks for the suggestion. How do I disable repos? On 7/11/07, John Vivirito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Point of a stable release is it doesnt get anything but security > updates. if you are getting others than disable 3rd party repos as well > as backport repos. > > -- > No "No Updates" Choice > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > -- No "No Updates" Choice https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
