Re: [Bug 201330] Re: [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting
Thank you very much indeed. 2008/8/29 Saïvann Carignan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tormod : Thank you very much for taking that task. -- [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/201330 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/201330 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 201330] Re: [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting
yea, ubuntu's decision to blacklist radeon mobilities and their decision to not support fake raid 5, has really been causing me to doubt my choice of ubuntu. I might try something else . On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:13 AM, David Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also have the Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] video card as a part of my Dell Inspiron 5100 which has always worked so long as xorg.conf was setup correctly. If my understanding is correct, Ubuntu is disabling compiz on ATI cards using the OPEN SOURCE driver The OPEN SOURCE driver which by the way WORKS, and the PROPRIETARY one doesn't (thanks to some really asinine back room OEM deals ATI made awhile back) and Ubuntu disables **working** video cards using an **open source** driver?? Okay what just happened here, I'm feeling a bit dizzy because this is definitely **NOT** the way I thought things worked... --bornagainpenguin PS: If my understanding is incorrect, I apologize now, but really what am I supposed to think when it appears my WORKING video card is being blacklisted because wait for it. it's using an open source driver! ** Attachment added: lspci -vn.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13896457/lspci%20-vn.txt -- [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/201330 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. ** Attachment added: unnamed http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13902053/unnamed -- [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/201330 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 201330] Re: [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting
oh i thought it wasn't enabled by default. I installed hardy a long time ago, and have been using ubuntu since dapper beta. I thought you had to go enable desktop effects. maybe I just had to go form minimal to custom or something. How many clueless people really run linux anyways? I know it is getting easier and easier every year. But bussiness and schools would have a system administrator to take care of these things. People who buy their computers with linux pre-installed would be taken care of by the manufacturer. People who custom build computers from scratch could figure it out too. People who have their computers fixed by a family member or something would have them to take care of it. So? How many people buy a computer with windows, are responsible for maintaining it themselves, figure out that linux even exists, decides to install it, and still can't diagnose simple issues? I think that most computer clueless people don't even know what linux or ubuntu is. yea i added the skip checks thing, and it's all fixed by now. but the reason i use ubuntu is because I don't want to mess with my system all the time. I can figure out how to compile things from source, and all that jibber jabber. I do sometimes. But I don't want to have to. I shouldn't have to use such a workaround because some computer illiterate people try to run linux on bad hardware. I buy computers specifically with linux in mind and try to only buy linux compatible hardware. that is one of the main reasons i bought a thinkpad. I am using a beta version so i can put up with this stuff. I find it a little bit fun. but I don't like the idea of someone deliberately crippling my computer. again this isn't about me, but how many people are almost like me? the people who could fix the issue but don't want to. I dunno, you guys do what you think is best. I might quit ubuntu when i get a new computer because it bores me. I like that i can usually get help and usually find things in debs. I like how it works pretty well most of the time. But i don't like it when i need something new and have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get it. i think i want to find something gentoo based. ubuntu is great for work computers, but no fun for personal computers. my next computer will be powerful enough to have both. I should get two new computers. some things only a desktop can do, and other things only a laptop. both of mine are aging. but there is the issue of low income and high debt. sorry for all that. I'm just bored. I know I am not the person this is aimed at. First of all, it will be aimed at people who don't run alpha/beta OSs. I always find myself in between the cracks though. its like with cell phones. use them too much and prepaid is just as expensive as contract. but you don't use the whole contract. They screw you either way. you can delete this message if you want. I just don't get any attention anymore. I ended up with no friends for a whole year and won't be making any new ones until september probably. I tried being not enrolled in school for a year. I found the real world to be terrible, am living with parents, and have no friends because none of them live near here. I found little work i was willing to do, which ended up working for a college partime, but that way doesn't make you friends. I always do things a weird way and it has downsides. hopefully the ATI bug will be fixed in Hardy+1. anyone who would use only LTS releases does not need compiz. thank you everyone. the ubuntu community is awesome. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Bryce Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I showed bug 195051 to Alex and chatted with him a bit. A lot of -ati's internals were written prior to having access to register documentation, so there's a lot of educated guesses in -ati that proved to be wrong once the docs were in hand, and lead to random crashes like this, and Alex believes this is the case with this bug. He did not have a workaround to suggest, and confirmed Travis' finding that the issue is not going to be limited to a specific chipset so pci id checks wouldn't be a reliable workaround. He has plans to go through and fix up all these mappings correctly, within the next 3-6 months. Unfortunately that rules out a 8.04.1 fix (and even if it could be achieved in that timeframe, the size of the rework would probably be beyond our bug-risk threshhold.) Meanwhile, I'll make sure alex remains aware of the bug, and try to improve the reports upstream so it will be fixed for Intrepid. The work can be tracked at bug 195051 here, and at http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15096 upstream (unless someone knows of a more appropriate upstream bug?) So, I'm resetting this to WONTFIX. ** Changed in: compiz (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Won't Fix -- [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/201330 You
Re: [Bug 201330] Re: [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting
Why do they need to be blacklisted in the first place? isn't compiz turned off by default? If people turn it on, and run into problems, they can just turn it back off. Why is it that difficult? If there are problems with the liveCD, make an option to boot it with compiz turned off. It ain't that hard. I remember when i needed special kernel parameters to get it to recognize my hardware, but I figured it out. It's this thing called google. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Kees Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, above comment is based on IRC discussions with Amaranth, who feels the blacklist is the correct fix. I still think that blacklisting open drivers is a mistake. -- [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/201330 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. ** Attachment added: unnamed http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13528708/unnamed -- [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/201330 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 201330] Re: [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kees Cook wrote: BTW, above comment is based on IRC discussions with Amaranth, who feels the blacklist is the correct fix. I still think that blacklisting open drivers is a mistake. I agree with you, and find this situation completely infuriating. If some ATI models are broken, just those models should be blacklisted. Aaron -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBmdI0F+nu1YWqI0RAglUAJ9Z06eTv62+kXjPiFkAKaaeuKLxpwCfYL3R j3baHsUJLjnUi/EscNICegk= =NMuV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [regression] need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/201330 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs