Re: [Bug 428509] Re: Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps
tgpraveen wrote: So, all I would say is that the way this issue was handled was definitely not right. and in future if something is so actively discussed, like this was in Ayatana list or anywhere else, then it might be best to use that advice or give a sane rationale not to. And definitely not implement it half baked. The code is open source, and patches are welcome. Please don't describe as half-baked development which goes in increments! Mark -- Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/428509 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 428509] Re: Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps
While it is too late to do anything about this in the Karmic cycle, I must protest the way this issue was handled. First, this issue was discussed in Ayatana in detail. And a sensible conclusion that everyone seemed to come to after discussing all possible cases was DND mode + not hiding notifications in fullscreen apps by default. But yet, it seems the developers didn't heed this advice and then turned off notifications without giving user with a DND mode. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:39 PM, mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 08:44 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: mac_v - the same could be said of your constant repetition of the fact that you missed an IM during a movie. When you quit the movie, the MI told you it was there. Yes , MI will show *only* when we quit the movie. that is what I'm trying to say. By then the message is too late , it is no longer an *Instant* message. As I'v said already , the contacts might not even be online by the time the movie is over... [and this has happened to me several times until i realized where the bug was] It's not that big a problem, please stop overplaying the scenario. Kindly do not minuscule another's personal experience. Various people have discussed various usecases on the Ayatana mailing list. And no particular use case must be given extra preference. having said that, the presentation use case is actually something that a minority of the people are going to experience. various people use apps like pdf readers, movies, browsers in fullscreen especially with the advent of small screen netbooks. I'v not said that a personal IM during a presentation is not embracing or is an overplayed scenario. Every experience is important to the user affected. If you could take a few minutes and read back on the Ayatana mailing list , several other scenarios were also sighted: of them a quite common one User's using firefox in fullscreen mode especially in netbooks. But , I do believe that the odds for the presentation scenario happening are not greater... [already mentioned this in the above comments ] We may get a DND mode in the next round, we don't have one now. Please accept that and engage constructively on other matters. I'v accepted this ... and I'm not insisting on a DND asap. But did suggest an alternative , [I thought I was being constructive , maybe not ], that there be allowed a gconf for turning off this feature. Let the bubbles be suppressed by default but allow the user to revert this via a gconf. Which *might* not be as tough as implementing a DND... This could be a temporary band-aid for users , till we have a DND mode. So, all I would say is that the way this issue was handled was definitely not right. and in future if something is so actively discussed, like this was in Ayatana list or anywhere else, then it might be best to use that advice or give a sane rationale not to. And definitely not implement it half baked. -- Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/428509 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/428509 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 428509] Re: Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps
mac_v wrote: The choice made here seems to have been more from a personal experience rather than from a design view! mac_v - the same could be said of your constant repetition of the fact that you missed an IM during a movie. When you quit the movie, the MI told you it was there. It's not that big a problem, please stop overplaying the scenario. We may get a DND mode in the next round, we don't have one now. Please accept that and engage constructively on other matters. -- Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/428509 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 428509] Re: Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 08:44 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: mac_v - the same could be said of your constant repetition of the fact that you missed an IM during a movie. When you quit the movie, the MI told you it was there. Yes , MI will show *only* when we quit the movie. that is what I'm trying to say. By then the message is too late , it is no longer an *Instant* message. As I'v said already , the contacts might not even be online by the time the movie is over... [and this has happened to me several times until i realized where the bug was] It's not that big a problem, please stop overplaying the scenario. Kindly do not minuscule another's personal experience. I'v not said that a personal IM during a presentation is not embracing or is an overplayed scenario. Every experience is important to the user affected. If you could take a few minutes and read back on the Ayatana mailing list , several other scenarios were also sighted: of them a quite common one User's using firefox in fullscreen mode especially in netbooks. But , I do believe that the odds for the presentation scenario happening are not greater... [already mentioned this in the above comments ] We may get a DND mode in the next round, we don't have one now. Please accept that and engage constructively on other matters. I'v accepted this ... and I'm not insisting on a DND asap. But did suggest an alternative , [I thought I was being constructive , maybe not ], that there be allowed a gconf for turning off this feature. Let the bubbles be suppressed by default but allow the user to revert this via a gconf. Which *might* not be as tough as implementing a DND... This could be a temporary band-aid for users , till we have a DND mode. -- Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/428509 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 428509] Re: Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps
I think mac_v makes correct points. This bug should be given high priority and resolved ASAP Imho else it will become a really big annoyance of karmic. I really dont understand why it was decided to go for this behaviour in the first place. In ayatana ml this topic was discussed in detail and the decision reached was *Show notifications by default in fullscreen apps *Have a DND mode where notifications are not sent. If all this could not have been done for karmic, then the issue should not have been touched at all. In conclusion, missing IM's,emails,etc while watching movies, etc is a use case which is more concerning and something which is likely to happen more often to more no. of users. rather than the pretty limited use case of someone giving a presentation while having IM enabled. On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:27 PM, mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com wrote: Mark , Mirco , Is there a way to make notify-osd detect whether any OOo app is running in fullscreen or if a movie is playing in fullscreen? If the issue is about presentations.. suppressing the bubbles during an OOo might be better... now it suppressed the bubbles even when using picture slideshows! For now , a workaround i do while watching movies , is to *not* use fullscreen. But rather use a Maximized window! This is *very* frustrating , not being able to even watch a movie peacefully! Though i agree that a personal message during a presentation would be embarrassing... What would be the chances of that happening compared to a person missing an IM notification while watching a movie! [most folks dont turn on the im clients during presentations , this embarrassment problem would be more when a person is using a laptop and has im client running While this 'fix' this would affect both desktop and laptop users and most definitely a larger user base ] If time is of the essence and this could not make it into Karmic , why do the fixes have to be done in such a manner? Isnt it better to fix the issues properly , rather than doing it incompletely...! Mirco, Could you kindly point to where in the code this change was applied? I'd like to revert this behavior and rebuild the package. -- Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/428509 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/428509 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 428509] Re: Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps
mac_v wrote: Hi Mark , The issues with screen flicker when running apps in fullscreen has been solved in compiz. So , Why do any of the bubbles have to be suppressed? Why is an IM not important? The other day , i was watching a movie and the sound of an IM ping got drowned in the movie's noise , and didnt notice the IM until the movie was over! And by then the person who had sent the IM was offline. Why cant the status be obtained from the indicator session... So, when user sets themselves as busy and is in fullscreen mode , then suppress the IM bubbles... For me, if a person sends me an IM , IM *is* more important than the movie and i do want to be notified immediately. The issue is presentations - it's potentially embarrassing to have non-system messages up on a big screen. -- Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/428509 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 428509] Re: Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps
On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 18:22 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: The issue is presentations - it's potentially embarrassing to have non-system messages up on a big screen. Yes , for those the user can be allowed to set the status from the indicator session. But , not every one is going to be doing presentation! As i commented earlier... I missed an IM during a movie! Could this behavior of suppressing the IM bubbles be excluded when playing movies/videos? -- Do not suppress async notifications when using fullscreen apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/428509 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
