Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[bert07]

Sorry for that 4 times the same...

I kept getting an error whilst trying to post.
Sorry!


On 09/06/2012 14:49, bert07 wrote:
> What is this about this bug?
>
> I think it was Martin who said rather a long while ago that he got tired
> of this bug and he didn't know how to fix it; whatever he tried.
>
> But indeed: there are many a people using Linux that still need access  to a 
> floppy.
> I, for one.
>
> In Lucid you can fix the problem by downgrading "udisks", but that's it.
>
> What lies beyond Lucid does not seem to be able to access any floppy any
> more. (Not only Ubuntu's.)
>
> Puppy still can, but for how long to come?
>
> I can understand that developers are getting tired of this bug, but still...
> There are still people around the globe who need floppy access.
>
> E.G.: I instaal or test run many distro's.
> Without my floppy boot back-up, I will get very often in lots of trouble 
> booting.
>
> I need that floppy access!
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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

peter b [2011-09-29 16:24 -]:
> does this mean that there is no effort/work done/attention paid by linux
> to fix this issue ?

Looks like it. As I mentioned on the mailing list, I'm happy to review
a patch to fix the automatic unmounting.

> on a personal note that ties in with this - Martin pls, should I still
> hope to see an/any kind of answer to  #300 above ?

probing the existence of a floppy will lock up the process for 30
secs, and anything which waits on it (and moreover, it might even
cause locks on the IDE bus, so that other programs/drives lock as
well), so that's the very thing which we need to avoid. I've been
burnt by this too many times to ever want to touch it again..

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

György Balló [2011-09-29 13:42 -]:
> @Martin: I think that this patch not against the long delay fix. It
> reports that floppy is always available, and not probe it on boot.

Yes, I've seen that, but it would again cause users of udisks to try
and do something with the floppy, and any access to a floppy
controller which doesn't have a floppy attached causes a 30 second
freeze. It might be that this patch makes it work again for computers
with a floppy (fixing this case is actually trivial), but it's next to
impossible to continuously guarantee that the "no floppy" case (which
is the common one) keeps working. I fixed this kind of bug in way too
many places to have any faith left that we can sensibly support
floppies in the modern desktop software infrastructure. Also, frankly
I have no interest in doing so, as working around the regressions is
just way more effort than it's worth.

I'm aware that this means "floppies are broken with Linux" :(

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

György Balló [2011-09-29 13:00 -]:
> Why nobody takes care about the upstream bugreport[1] over a year???

Please read the full bug report. We already wasted hours on trying to
fix it, and just gave up eventually :(

> There's a simple fix for this issue:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=39751

Unfortunately it's not that simple. That fix is what we had originally
in udisks, but it caused very long delays during boot (sometimes 30
minutes [sic]) due to the rather braindead way motherboards and floppy
controllers are built.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

PJSingh5000 [2011-09-28 16:18 -]:
> Does anyone know if this will be fixed/included in Ubuntu Oneric (11.10)

No, it won't. There is no fix for this right now.

GNOME 3.4 might switch to udisks2, which might or might not make this
better, but right now this is is still in development.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Xubuntu 10.10

On 11/04/2011 08:30, Martin Pitt wrote:
> bert07 [2011-04-11  2:59 -]:
>> Martin, how come it works under xubuntu and not under ubuntu?
> Are you talking about Xubuntu 11.04? Xubuntu now also switched to
> udisks and friends, so I'd be really surprised if it worked there.
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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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bert07 [2011-04-11  2:59 -]:
> Martin, how come it works under xubuntu and not under ubuntu?

Are you talking about Xubuntu 11.04? Xubuntu now also switched to
udisks and friends, so I'd be really surprised if it worked there.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

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Martin, how come it works under xubuntu and not under ubuntu?

On 10/04/2011 20:19, Martin Pitt wrote:
> ** Changed in: udisks (Ubuntu)
>   Assignee: Martin Pitt (pitti) =>  (unassigned)
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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Mikele]

Il 02/04/2011 18:27, John Ross ha scritto:
> Looks like this one persists in Natty Beta. Worse, I see no option in
> Natty to downgrade to the old version of udisks as was the case in
> Lucid.
>
> I will note that some of us engineer types still rely on floppies to
> record data. We do this because we are using older test instruments with
> built in floppy drives. These instruments are super expensive and have
> long service lives so its impractical to replace them as we do with
> computers that are updated every few years. As a result there are many
> labs that will be using floppies for many years to come. Please try to
> get this function working properly again in Ubuntu. Thanks!

I agree with John.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Brian Vaughan]

The issue is that floppy disks are no longer auto-mounted on the GNOME
desktop. Floppy disks can easily be mounted at the command line, so what's
lost is a convenience, and one that matters most to novice users.
Contemporary personal computers rarely have floppy drives installed; it has
been many years since floppy disk drives were a standard feature. It seems
to me that it is unlikely for someone who needs access to floppy disks to be
a novice computer user and unwilling to use a command line interface.

Given the resources available to Ubuntu developers, and the priorities of
the Ubuntu distribution, I think that it's reasonable for the developers to
leave this as it is.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[NoOp]

On 02/08/2011 06:15 PM, nloewen wrote:
> Natty is also affected.
> 
It won't matter. Apparently it's more important to service laptop users
who can't figure out how to/or can't disable floppy in bios, and or who
are of the mindset that floppies are no longer necessary/used simply so
they can boot faster:






You can review/find the rest:


Bottom line is that Ubuntu dev's simply can't figure out a way, or can't
be bothered to resolve the issue.

 With all respect to Martin Pitt et al, I've given up. Just use:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/441835/comments/268
or the 'udisks --mount /dev/fd0' recomendations, or find another distro.
IMO it's no longer worth the effort & Ubuntu simply refuses to support
floppies beyond udisks_1.0.1-1build1_i386.deb. There has been no effort
to provide a backport for floppy users, no effort to provide a boot
switch for floppy users, no effort at all to resolve this issue.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

peter b [2010-11-26  2:44 -]:
> - the BIOS which is written in assembler (the fastest) detects the
> floppy presence in fractions of a second.

Please see above. In the problematic case, the linux kernel and the
BIOS detect the floppy *controller*, and thus think that a floppy is
present. This seems to be the case with a lot of motherboards, which
have a floppy controller, but no drive attached to it. Then, if you
try to speak to the floppy through the controller, you get the long
timeouts.

> - the second thought was - how comes that the proprietary os manages to
> get this type of device recognised if present and render it fully
> operational without this 20 sec delays ? I saw it myself on a friend's
> pc that uses win - the floppy device detection was almost as fast as the
> BIOS detection.

If there is an actual floppy drive, there is no problem.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

peter b [2010-11-25 21:12 -]:
> Martin, pls do not look at what follows as an intrusion into your good
> efforts in resolving this issue

To the contrary -- it seems this bug needs more thinking/involvement,
not less :-)

> basics are still there with little changes ) ; I may be wrong in this
> but pls check my thoughts out and take a look at the floppy drive/device
> probing procedure code and maybe introduce a timer in device call
> loop/iterations and based on the feedback (y or n) obtained introduce an
> if/else decision followed by a goto statement to the corresponding line
> of code that will either configure or not configure the device (or maybe
> call another file/s with the conf procedures). pls tell me what's your
> opinion - will it do the trick ?

This would need to happen in the kernel, though; I'm pretty sure that
it already has a timeout, since the detection calls do fail eventually
- it just takes excruciatingly long (some 20 seconds).

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

peter b [2010-11-25 17:39 -]:
> Is there a hidden agenda or maybe a list somewhere at Ubuntu that
> specifies the devices to be installed and the ones deemed unworthy
> of Ubuntu os attention because they are 'too old' and hence unworthy
> of attention ?

Yes, we deliberately want to break stuff, just to annoy users.

More seriously, that's how open source works -- if no developer is
interested in fixing something, it's hard to get done. And developers
tend to have and play with new hardware.. (i. e. it's already hard
these days to find a CD-ROM drive)

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Nestor]

I use Ubuntu 10.10, 32-bit,  computer i.386

I mount the floppy with the command:

(suggested by Seppo Aarnio)

udisks --mount /dev/fd0

I Click on the icon that appears on the desktop screen,
it opens a blank window

I pick up any file (smaller that 1MB, example an image.jpg) and I drop it on
the blank window.(Or drop  it on the floppy icon)  It stay there.

Then I check it by openning it with gimp or an image viewer, and it
works.

I umount the floppy, take it out, put it back again, mount it

Then I check it by openning it with gimp or an image viewer, and it works
very well.

I can erase the file as a normal user.

I do all of this as user. Never as root.

Then to format the floppy, first I unmount it

second, I open a terminal and as root:

sudo mformat a:

and the floppy is formatted.
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NOW the TEST, i use a live cd (ubuntu 10.10)and I can read the floppy
content BUT I can NOT WRITE on it as normal user. I can write in it or erase
the files using sudo, like you wrote.

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Probably the problem with the floppy recognition and function is the same
with the installed Ubuntu 10.10, I have to use a command new to the software
of Ubuntu 10.10 in order that the distro recognize the floppy. But for a
reason that I don't know the solution for the installed version does not
work 100% in the live installation. Maybe it is due to a partial install of
drivers in the live cd.

Sorry I can not help.



2010/11/10 Torkil Olesen 

> Floppy working in a live cd xubuntu 10.10
>
> I have tried xubuntu 10.10 from live cd and got a floppy icon on the
> desktop. It could be mounted, opened and I could read a file, but not write
> (only root permission).
> Later I have installed xubuntu desktop in an ubuntu 10.10 version. Here the
> floppy could not be mounted, and properties of the floppy drive says 8.9 GB
> free ???
> I think this gives one more hint about the bug, which Canonical has not
> been able to solve during more than a year.
>
> On the same Pc I have during a year used Poppy Linux 4.3.1., which
> starts from cd, works very fast from memory and have no problems with
> floppies.
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> Status in obsolete project: Fix Released
> Status in GVFS: Unknown
> Status in The Linux Kernel: Invalid
> Status in udev - /dev/ management daemon: Invalid
> Status in abstraction for enumerating and managing block devices: Unknown
> Status in “devicekit-disks” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in “udisks” package in Ubuntu: Triaged
> Status in “devicekit-disks” source package in Lucid: Invalid
> Status in “linux” source package in Lucid: Invalid
> Status in “udisks” source package in Lucid: Triaged
> Status in “devicekit-disks” source package in Karmic: Triaged
> Status in “linux” source package in Karmic: Invalid
> Status in “udisks” source package in Karmic: Invalid
>
> Bug description:
> In Karmic GNOME, floppies are detected correctly by linux, udev,
> devkit-disks, and gvfs. However, when clicking on the floppy icon in GNOME,
> you get a "no medium found" error.
>
> Remote reproducer: gvfs-mount -li
>
>  - When you just start that with no other processes running, you get a
> correct "volume" for /dev/fd0 ("floppy0").
>  - When you start it through dbus-launch, you get a floppy0 "drive"
> instead, and no volume
>
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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

peter b [2010-10-11 17:02 -]:
> I used it for months on lucid without any apparent 'side effects'; are
> there any reasons to hold it back on maverick ?

Yes, see bug 539515 and previous comments here.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Tibor Bősze]

I believe the situation is not as hopeless as some might feel. As I have
stated i bug #599915:

Workaround: Mounting the floppy with the command "udisks --mount /dev/fd0"
completes successfully, the mount shows up in /etc/mtab and the GUI also
displays the icon, the floppy can be browsed etc, everything works. But
there is no other (graphical) way to mount the floppy with udisks of version
1.0.1-1ubuntu1. At least I have not found any way to do so.

I do not want to suggest that going to the terminal should be the preferred
way of mounting a floppy. I merely want to state that the command works, and
one would have to analyze how comes the difference in behavior between
running this command and clicking the GUI. It is backed by the same
subsystem after all.

Addressing usability concerns, one can create a simple script with error
handling / friendly popup messages, and put an icon onto the Desktop for any
user who is not comfortable with commandline. Of course this is not more
than a workaround.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Johnathon Weare]

Either:
1. release notes must include issue of deprecated support for floppies
(does not work), or
2. bug must be prioritised accordingly

If 2., then I suggest a high priority as floppies are actively used for:
a) BIOS updates
b) legacy files
c) supported has not been dropped by other equivalent OSs (I think)

J

On 1 September 2010 07:56, Martin Pitt  wrote:
> ** Changed in: udisks (Ubuntu Lucid)
>       Status: Incomplete => Triaged
>
> ** Changed in: udisks (Ubuntu Lucid)
>     Assignee: Martin Pitt (pitti) => (unassigned)
>
> ** Changed in: udisks (Ubuntu)
>       Status: Fix Released => Triaged
>
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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Ben Clevers]

2010/8/31 NoOp <441...@bugs.launchpad.net>

> OK. I'm confused. Why is this bug marked as Invalid & Fix Released?
>
> It is clear that the "fix" from:
>  >
> is a regression & that the only way that users with floppys can get them to
> work is to back down to udisks 1.0.1-1build1.
>
> Can one of the devs listed in the assigned: Andy Whitcroft and Martin Pitt
> please explain the status?
> I find it odd that Ubuntu would forgo using a valid machine peripheral
> simply to appease those experiencing longer boot delays (10 to 30 seconds -
> 539515). A good portion of the world still use floppies.
>
> *Please* resolve this issue.
>
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> Status in obsolete project: Fix Released
> Status in GVFS: Unknown
> Status in “devicekit-disks” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
> Status in “udisks” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released
> Status in “devicekit-disks” source package in Lucid: Invalid
> Status in “linux” source package in Lucid: Invalid
> Status in “udisks” source package in Lucid: Incomplete
> Status in “devicekit-disks” source package in Karmic: Triaged
> Status in “linux” source package in Karmic: Invalid
> Status in “udisks” source package in Karmic: Invalid
>
> Bug description:
> In Karmic GNOME, floppies are detected correctly by linux, udev,
> devkit-disks, and gvfs. However, when clicking on the floppy icon in GNOME,
> you get a "no medium found" error.
>
> Remote reproducer: gvfs-mount -li
>
>  - When you just start that with no other processes running, you get a
> correct "volume" for /dev/fd0 ("floppy0").
>  - When you start it through dbus-launch, you get a floppy0 "drive"
> instead, and no volume
>
> Dear Sir,
>

In the meantime I succeeded to solve the problem, I had to chance the
address in Ubuntu and now the sound works again.

Thanks for the trouble I made you.

With kind regards,

Ben Clevers.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Bob Kline]

  On 8/31/2010 2:01 PM, Martin Pitt wrote:
>  it'll be very hard to try and fit an IDE floppy
> disk into a laptop :-), so at most this could be an USB drive; no idea
> whether these are broken as well.

Yep, same problem as with IDE floppy drives.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

Hello Peter,

peter b [2010-08-31 17:36 -]:
> Martin, going back to ...'None of the devs have a floppy disk, so
> debugging them is a pain' issue is a problem, then please allow me
> to offer you and Sebastien, (the two devs that I retain from this
> thread), two floppy drives complete with interface cables and 10 floppy
> diskettes absolutely free, just for the purpose of testing and
> debugging. or even faster and to the point action, please acquire
> locally in Germany the two floppy kits mentioned and send me an e-mail
> what the total cost was and I will cheerfully and immediately mail you a
> personal cheque of that amount. TU.

Thanks for the offer. However, I'm being paid for developing Ubuntu,
so if I'd get floppy drives, I'd certainly pay for them myself, or
expense them. Anyway, it'll be very hard to try and fit an IDE floppy
disk into a laptop :-), so at most this could be an USB drive; no idea
whether these are broken as well.

I guess another option would be to use kvm and an emulated drive.

So this by and large requires someone to spend half a day on. We
already tried to fix this twice, and each time it broke something
else. This is a really hard problem, I'm afraid, due to how floppies
work (or more importantly, what they are missing -- media change
interrupts).

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

NoOp [2010-08-31  2:20 -]:
> Can one of the devs listed in the assigned: Andy Whitcroft and
> Martin Pitt please explain the status? 

You already summarized it pretty well. None of the devs have a floppy
disk, so debugging them is a pain (as much of a pain as floppy disks
are in the first place..) Personally, the last one I had was 2002..

So for now, I'm afraid that you have to use an older Ubuntu release
for now, or use the downgraded version for a while.

I'm sorry that this isn't the answer you are looking for, but it's the
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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[NoOp]

On 06/24/2010 08:40 AM, Arrigo Marchiori wrote:
> Hi, I can confirm that this bug still exists in Lucid, using udisks
> 1.0.1-1ubuntu1 I have tried two scenarios: with and without an entry
> in /etc/fstab for the floppy drive, and I found a funny thing. I kept
> the command 'udisks --monitor' running in a separate terminal.

Confirmed on
2.6.32-23-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 11 07:54:58 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux

$ apt-cache policy udisks
udisks:
  Installed: 1.0.1-1ubuntu1
  Candidate: 1.0.1-1ubuntu1
  Version table:
 *** 1.0.1-1ubuntu1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 1.0.1-1build1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages

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R: Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[florment-2]

Thank you for your help, but now i''ve Ubuntu Lucid and it's all OK.

>Messaggio originale
>Da: martin.p...@ubuntu.com
>Data: 3-mag-2010 8.03
>A: 
>Ogg: Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media 
found"
>
>Andreas Heinlein [2010-04-30 11:33 -]:
>> Where is the fix for the permissions problem in udisks/lucid? Or am I
>> getting something wrong here? Mounting works now (tested with 10.04
>> final), but permissions on the mountpoint are root:root 0755, i.e. no
>> write for the user.
>
>Right, that's a known bug/limitation right now.
>
>> Any patch/workaround would be appreciated.
>
>You should be able to add /dev/fd0 to /etc/fstab with the "user"
>option.
>
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>Status in obsolete project: Fix Released
>Status in GVFS: Unknown
>Status in “devicekit-disks” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
>Status in “linux” package in Ubuntu: Invalid
>Status in “udisks” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released
>Status in “devicekit-disks” source package in Lucid: Invalid
>Status in “linux” source package in Lucid: Invalid
>Status in “udisks” source package in Lucid: Fix Released
>Status in “devicekit-disks” source package in Karmic: Triaged
>Status in “linux” source package in Karmic: Invalid
>Status in “udisks” source package in Karmic: Invalid
>
>Bug description:
>In Karmic GNOME, floppies are detected correctly by linux, udev, devkit-
disks, and gvfs. However, when clicking on the floppy icon in GNOME, you get a 
"no medium found" error.
>
>Remote reproducer: gvfs-mount -li  
>
> - When you just start that with no other processes running, you get a 
correct "volume" for /dev/fd0 ("floppy0").
> - When you start it through dbus-launch, you get a floppy0 "drive" instead, 
and no volume
>
>To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

Andreas Heinlein [2010-04-30 11:33 -]:
> Where is the fix for the permissions problem in udisks/lucid? Or am I
> getting something wrong here? Mounting works now (tested with 10.04
> final), but permissions on the mountpoint are root:root 0755, i.e. no
> write for the user.

Right, that's a known bug/limitation right now.

> Any patch/workaround would be appreciated.

You should be able to add /dev/fd0 to /etc/fstab with the "user"
option.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[miky91]

Ok, thank you

2010/3/1 Martin Pitt 

> miky91 [2010-03-01 12:42 -]:
> > In Lucid the problem seems to be still present
>
> Yes, I'll upload the fix in a bit.
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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

miky91 [2010-03-01 12:42 -]:
> In Lucid the problem seems to be still present

Yes, I'll upload the fix in a bit.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[miky91]

In Lucid the problem seems to be still present

2010/3/1 Martin Pitt 

> ** Tags removed: regression-potential
>
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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[NoOp]

On 01/22/2010 06:42 AM, Martin Pitt wrote:
...
> 
> This is not easy to fix, since few, if any, developers still have a
> floppy, and due to how floppies work they are very hard to integrate
> into nowaday's hotplugging structure.

I've multiple test machines with floppies & would be happy to assist in
providing debugging information if you can point me to who this might be
assigned to. Perhaps David Zeuthen or Scott James Remnant?

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

Torkil Olesen [2010-01-22 13:26 -]:
> I confirm, that in my opinion the bug has to do with permissions/policy.

No, it really doesn't. Please read the upstream bug for more details.

This is not easy to fix, since few, if any, developers still have a
floppy, and due to how floppies work they are very hard to integrate
into nowaday's hotplugging structure.

The bug is understood, there is no need to confirm it any further.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[Martin Pitt]

John [2009-12-16 17:36 -]:
> So I give up, I will no longer subscribe to this bug

Pretty please do.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[John]

Sergio Zanchetta wrote:
> @John
> Please STOP.
>
> You even sent me two emails on my personal address about this bug and at
> that time I told you to report here only if you had relevant information
> about this bug.
>
> Now I gently ask you to not comment anymore because developers have all
> they need to fix it.
>
> Just wait as the other quietly  people here having the same problem are
> doing.
>
>   
I give up.
A couple of you guys spend all your time attacking people and not the 
problem.
you think the emails go to you and not to the bug .
So I give up, I will no longer subscribe to this bug, I was the one who 
started it, good luck vampire and sergio you guys seem to know 
everything so fix it.

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Re: [Bug 441835] Re: Clicking on floppy gives "no device media found"

[John]

Vampire wrote:
> John, if you refer to "After upstream discussion this should be fixed in
> dk-disks after all.", then this was just a misunderstanding. What Martin
> meant to say was "After upstream discussion this should get fixed in dk-
> disks after all.", just defining the component in which this will get
> fixed somewhen in the future. It shouldn't mean that the bug is fixed
> already. Of course it will need a software update, so as I siad, please
> be patient until one arrives. Noone said it will be fixed without a
> software update, I just told you a workaround for the meantime.
>
>   
>> Guys jumping in and going all negative on people does not help.
>> 
>
> Correct, that is why I didn't do it. I jumped in and gave Martin access
> to my box to find the cause of the problem what he did. THAT helped.
> Your dozens of comments without any additional info that mostly contain
> whining on the other hand do NOT help in any way. It just annoys anyone
> who is subscribed to this bug as for every comment you write, a mail is
> sent out. And writing comments in 2 minutes steps without any helpful
> information, even after it was clearly stated that the cause of the
> problem is clear now IS spam. I didn't attack ALL people, I just asked
> you to not spam this bug with unhelpful comments. Instead I actually
> attacked the problem in actively helping to find the root cause by
> giving Martin access to my box what YOU didn't want to provide. That is
> ok, but please don't complain that I attack people instead of the
> problem.
>
> For me, this discussion with you is over now. I will not reply to any
> comment regarding this anymore, so please don't write any, it doesn't
> help and is totally unrelated to this bug.
>
>   
The KDE work around works better as it allows the disk to be unmounted, 
however I like many tens of thousands of people would like to see the 
fix come in an update, and in the mean time many people have reverted to 
the older more functional versions in the LTS and 9.04.
Only one of our machines has 9.10 left on it.

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