Re: Fast-user-switch-applet not on panel by default
On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:08 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 02 octobre 2007, à 21:21 -0400, Thomas Thurman a écrit : On 02/10/2007, Andreas Schildbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps FUSA should just not show up if it finds only one user. As soon as there are additional users added, it would show as it does today. Sure, we can do that. Anyone want me to add it? That would be excellent. This can be extremly confusing. Someone will add the applet and see nothing. Then adds it again. Again. Again. Creates a user. And finally sees 4 applets... ... That's a symptom of another problem: to add the applet, or any applet, to your panel makes sense only if you already understand applets as an idea. (And calling them items in the GUI doesn't fix this problem.) Add to Panel assumes that people will be bored one day and decide to fill their panel with items, selecting whatever items look interesting at the time. Ptui. I think many, many more people would find the panel items useful if they were configured from the relevant window -- for example, if the Users Groups window had a checkbox labelled something like Show menu for fast account switching. That checkbox was disabled if there is only one user account, and it would be much more obvious why it was disabled if it was here than if it was a zillion miles away in the Add to Panel window. Similarly, the clock could be configured in a tab in the Time Date window, the Tomboy Notes item could be a checkbox in Tomboy's preferences, the presence of the Trash item could be a checkbox in Nautilus's preferences, the presence of the Show Desktop and Window List items could be checkboxes in the Windows preferences, and so on. Cheers -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Desktop Team Development Meeting, 2007-10-04
The team at Canonical responsible for development of the desktop has a weekly meeting in #ubuntu-meeting; since this team forms part of the Desktop Team, it seems appropriate to send meeting minutes to this list. Note that the meeting is public; if you wish to attend, please do (it's at 1200UTC every Thursday) -- if you have items for the agenda, send them to me in advance for consideration. == Present == * Scott James Remnant (Keybuk) - chair * Ian Jackson (iwj) * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Michael Vogt (mvo) * Mirco Müller (MacSlow) * Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) == Agenda == * RC bugs in activity summaries * GNOME summit == RC bugs in activity summaries == A reminder was given to everybody that the must include a list of their assigned Release Critical bugs in their weekly activity summaries. If none are assigned, this should be mentioned in the summary rather than omitting any mention of them. There was question about how to obtain the list, several suggestions were proposed. The easiest two are: 1. Visit the page for the milestone, e.g.: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-7.10-rc 2. Sort by assignee and locate yourself 3. Repeat for older milestones, moving the bugs forward to the new milestone. And 1. Visit the Advanced Search form for Ubuntu bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1 2. Enter your username into the Assigned To field 3. Select the milestones you wish to view. mpt asked whether a per-user Launchpad page like the existing package reports one, but with totals per milestone would be useful? ACTION: mpt to propose LP bug tables with totals by milestone (pitti can help with our requirements) ACTION: all to include milestoned bug lists in their activity summaries == GNOME summit == The 2007 GNOME summit is being held in Boston this weekend: http://live.gnome.org/Boston2007 A final call was given to find out whether anybody was interested in attending. MacSlow expressed some interest, but was concerned that someone geographically closer might be more appropriate, or someone with less bugs to attend to (esp. given the short notice). ACTION: Keybuk to discuss with team leads later, and MacSlow afterwards Scott -- Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fast-user-switch-applet not on panel by default
(``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote: On Wednesday 03 October 2007 02:21:04 Thomas Thurman wrote: On 02/10/2007, Andreas Schildbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps FUSA should just not show up if it finds only one user. As soon as there are additional users added, it would show as it does today. Sure, we can do that. Anyone want me to add it? Thomas It sounds like a great idea. But surely putting FUSA in Gnome by default is pointless if fast user switching doesn't work for anyone with a laptop? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/68370 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fast-user-switch-applet not on panel by default
On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 19:20 +1300, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:08 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: This can be extremly confusing. Someone will add the applet and see nothing. Then adds it again. Again. Again. Creates a user. And finally sees 4 applets... ... That's a symptom of another problem: to add the applet, or any applet, to your panel makes sense only if you already understand applets as an idea. (And calling them items in the GUI doesn't fix this problem.) Add to Panel assumes that people will be bored one day and decide to fill their panel with items, selecting whatever items look interesting at the time. Ptui. I think many, many more people would find the panel items useful if they were configured from the relevant window -- for example, if the Users Groups window had a checkbox labelled something like Show menu for fast account switching. That checkbox was disabled if there is only one user account, and it would be much more obvious why it was disabled if it was here than if it was a zillion miles away in the Add to Panel window. I agree. Similarly, the clock could be configured in a tab in the Time Date window, the Tomboy Notes item could be a checkbox in Tomboy's preferences, the presence of the Trash item could be a checkbox in Nautilus's preferences, the presence of the Show Desktop and Window List items could be checkboxes in the Windows preferences, and so on. I think the difference between launcher, applet, and status notification needs to be more obvious and some sanitising wouldn't go amiss. For example, GAIM uses a status notification icon to access the application whilst it's running - so I can't move it anywhere unless I move all my notifications. It also doesn't make sense for the icon to be something that shows after going to Applications-Internet-Gaim... rather Gaim should just be an applet. The Evolution contact list could offer to give you Gaim (from an address card with a handle on a supported service) as well as gnome-open when opening an irc: uri, etc. Similarly for Tomboy. Why does the use case for an adhoc note-keeper involve starting a search program/recently used list before I can just add a damned note ? Tomboy should be a launcher or applet (doesn't much matter which in this case since it isn't doing anything between clicks and keypresses). The status notification area should be for transitive elements, Launchers for duplicative first actions (essentially a mere applet optimisation), and applets for dynamic first actions - as well as triggered UI and dynamic display. It would be nice to stick the Evolution contact list on as a launcher by default too. -- Tristan Wibberley Any opinion expressed is mine (or else I'm playing devils advocate for the sake of a good argument). My employer had nothing to do with this communication. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
