Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars
2008/8/16 Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 16:07 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote > > > And I really do like it. I think a lot of people, including myself, > > like the page > > up/down function of the traditional scrollbar though.Perhaps that > > could be done > > using a right-click on the arrows, for up or down for instance? > > That would avoid clashing with the main functionality, but I'm uneasy > about using right click for things other than context menus. I even > added one with items for jumping to start or end :) > > I also consider bookmarking through that context menu. > You mean you want to have a context menu on the scrollbar? That would be confusing, I think. It is really important that the scrollbar remains a simple widget and not stuffed with options. There is another "problem". If the pointer is above the scrollbar, then you cannot scroll to the top, and vice versa. Perhaps, when you begin to drag, the pointer should snap to the bar and be hidden? When you click and drag the normal scrollbar, the pointer is visible and you get the /feeling/ of having to watch horisontal movement, even though that's not necessary. And if you drag horisonally, you see the pointer dragging over items in the content area, which is distracting. If you implement this, I suggest changing the colour of the scrollbar when dragging as a visual notification to the user. Just a couple of cents.. Jo-Erlend Schinstad -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars
Hi Thorsten! You've probably noticed this already, but I find it hard to grab the 'bar' if my mouse is already in the trough. I have to move the mouse off of the trough and then back on where the bar is. I know it's not necessary to grab the bar, and also that one can drag after clicking an arrow (cool!) but some users will expect that functionality anyway. Right now I subconsciously move my pointer onto the bar after entering the trough from the top. As a result, I click the Down arrow by accident. The only way to avoid that is if I move my pointer slightly upwards, which is distracting mouse acrobatics. It may cause problems when the bar is bigger, but what if the arrows were not allowed to move inside of the bar? For example, instead of following the mouse pointer onto the scroll bar, the arrows would skip to either end of it. Then again, that may be too much of a sacrifice since the arrows are then no longer totally predictable. Does anyone have other ideas? The scroll arrows should have a timer for when they disappear. Some users will move the mouse off of the trough by accident. Right now, the arrows disappear and then reset at a different position. If the pointer is moved straight back on, the arrows are centred around it instead of one being directly below. The timer could work like this: -Pointer moves inside trough. The arrows follow so that he is poised to click the top one. -Pointer moves off of trough. Arrows are still visible... -Within three seconds, pointer moves back onto trough. User can immediately click to press the top arrow. and this: -Pointer moves inside trough. The arrows follow so that he is poised to click the top one. -Pointer moves off of trough. Arrows are still visible... -Within three seconds, the pointer is put back to an entirely different place on the trough (away from the arrows' current position). Arrows follow pointer as usual. Bye, -Dylan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Desktop Team meeting, 2008-08-14
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:36:07PM +0200, Michael Vogt wrote: > We currently have 2012 packages with the tag "apport-package" in > launchpad. Of these, 963 are open (not invalid, won't fix or fix > released). I looked at the most recent bugs to get a idea what > those are about and found: Thanks for this analysis. > (1) maintainer failure because of syntax error/incorrect use of > programms/diverts: #258353, #257522, #257490, #257213, #257162, > #257131, #257003, #256930, #254969 23% > (2) file overwrite issues: #257736, #257299, #257244, #257133, #256743, > #256239 15% > (3) pkgs/programms with default that cause the maintainer scripts to fail > when they install: #258042, #257989, #257832, #257737, #257527, > #257142, #257040, #256737, #256423 23% > (4) local customization/hardware that causes breakage: #257989, #257745, > #257375, #256987, #256968, #235164, #256461, #256276 20% > (5) unknown: #257418, #257386, #256766, #256653, #256454, #256204, #256184 17% > I made the classification up on the spot and ordered by "usefulness" > for us. Category 1 and 2 are bugs that can be fixed or at least > diagnosed with the information in the bugreports. > > Category 3 is bad default or bad recovery from problematic > conditions. E.g. a package that needs to connect to a database fails > when it can't for some reason (wrong passowrd) instead of re-trying or > to write a debconf note that some more configuration is required. Or a > package like java-doc that prompts the user to download some files > into a location and will fail if those files are not available. > > Category 4 is problematic, some stuff like pycentral not overwriting > local python files could be improved (or we could provide a way to > override this restriction on dist-upgrades). Some others like "fork()" > failures because of low mem are much harder to deal with (or > filesystem corruption). > > Catgeory 5 are the ones that I found no useful information in. Stuff > like "capplet-data postinst failed with error code 1" without any > further indication what went wrong. > > From looking at this (unscientific) sample it seems like we have some > noise in the reports, but also a lot of valueable information that > shows us problematic packages. We should probably discuss better > server side filtering on the next UDS too to reduce the noise. 1, 2 and 3 (total over 60% of the sample) look like things which should be fixed. Package installation failures are treated very seriously by the package management tools, there is no rollback and the user is left with a persistent problem on their system which must be fixed. If we can ensure that they are reported on the appropriate packages, and filter out the most common cases for the other 40%, this wolud be a great improvement. -- - mdz -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 16:07 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote > And I really do like it. I think a lot of people, including myself, > like the page > up/down function of the traditional scrollbar though.Perhaps that > could be done > using a right-click on the arrows, for up or down for instance? That would avoid clashing with the main functionality, but I'm uneasy about using right click for things other than context menus. I even added one with items for jumping to start or end :) I also consider bookmarking through that context menu. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
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2008/8/16 Vishal Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Exsecrabilus Exsecrabilus > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please tell me you aren't going to include Pidgin 2.5.x, GIMP 2.6.x and > > Transmission 1.3x even if they're released after Intrepid's feature > freeze? > > You mean "are going to"...? > > Also, OpenOffice 3 and Firefox 3.1 for me :-) I guess it looks like > I'll stick with Hardy on my home desktop while updating my HP Tablet > PC to Intrepid for wireless driver + NetworkManager 0.7. > > Although I might update my home desktop too if NM 0.7 VPN (OpenVPN) > setup works, I'm looking forward to Alpha 5 to try that out... > Perhaps you two should have a look at the backports repository? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
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On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Exsecrabilus Exsecrabilus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please tell me you aren't going to include Pidgin 2.5.x, GIMP 2.6.x and > Transmission 1.3x even if they're released after Intrepid's feature freeze? You mean "are going to"...? Also, OpenOffice 3 and Firefox 3.1 for me :-) I guess it looks like I'll stick with Hardy on my home desktop while updating my HP Tablet PC to Intrepid for wireless driver + NetworkManager 0.7. Although I might update my home desktop too if NM 0.7 VPN (OpenVPN) setup works, I'm looking forward to Alpha 5 to try that out... -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars
2008/8/16 Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 21:46 +0100, Odysseus Flappington wrote: > > > I couldn't actually figure out how to install it though.. if you put > > it in the next alpha I'll test it to get a feel and tell you what I > > think :P > > Get the script from > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=110648 > > Then you sadly need to use a terminal, cd to where you saved it and > enter: python popup_scrollbar_37.py > > Except if someone knows a trick to execute it via GUI means. > > Guess I should try packaging it, if I complete the update Easy. Ri ght-click the file, select Properties, then enter the Permissions-tab. Check "Allow executing file as program". Now you can just double-click it, and you'll be asked whether you'd like to run it in terminal, view it cancel or run it. And I really do like it. I think a lot of people, including myself, like the page up/down function of the traditional scrollbar though.Perhaps that could be done using a right-click on the arrows, for up or down for instance? I never thought I'd see an interesting project regarding scrollbars again, but this really is. Thanks, Jo-Erlend Schinstad -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
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When is Transmission going to be updated to 1.3x? It fixes tons of bugs and plus, being up-to-date never hurts. Also, are you going to include Pidgin 2.5 and GIMP 2.6 when they're released? If Ubuntu even fails to include those updates to its default applications, I'm switching to another more up-to-date distro. Please tell me you aren't going to include Pidgin 2.5.x, GIMP 2.6.x and Transmission 1.3x even if they're released after Intrepid's feature freeze? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Intuitive "Popup" Scrollbars
On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 21:46 +0100, Odysseus Flappington wrote: > I couldn't actually figure out how to install it though.. if you put > it in the next alpha I'll test it to get a feel and tell you what I > think :P Get the script from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=110648 Then you sadly need to use a terminal, cd to where you saved it and enter: python popup_scrollbar_37.py Except if someone knows a trick to execute it via GUI means. Guess I should try packaging it, if I complete the update. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
