Re: Intuitive Popup Scrollbars
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 09:50 -0700, Dylan McCall wrote: You've probably noticed this already, but I find it hard to grab the 'bar' if my mouse is already in the trough. I have to move the mouse off of the trough and then back on where the bar is. I know it's not necessary to grab the bar, and also that one can drag after clicking an arrow (cool!) but some users will expect that functionality anyway. You can always just drag, so I don't see a problem there. I already use highlighting of the indicator on hovering the bar and a cursor change to encourage to not aim for the indicator. The scroll arrows should have a timer for when they disappear. Some users will move the mouse off of the trough by accident. Right now, the arrows disappear and then reset at a different position. If the pointer is moved straight back on, the arrows are centred around it instead of one being directly below. Such a delay before a reset is already on my list. Other entries: - page-wise stepping on click-hold (switch to sliding on drag) - continued scrolling on hitting screen edges - additional horizontal version - drawing button areas all the way to the top/bottom to leave no doubt about target areas - better name (I'm using dynamic scrollbars now) - look into packaging deb/ppa I started to use bzr/launchpad: https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/dynamic_scrollbar Current state is pretty dodgy, not useful for testing. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Intuitive Popup Scrollbars
I think there's little chance we'll be diverging from upstream GTK on a component as important as this. I suggest you take this concept straight to GTK. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Intuitive Popup Scrollbars
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Danny Piccirillo wrote on 14/08/08 00:18: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/popup-scrollbar-concept-demo/ This would just give Ubuntu more edge and make it even more intuitive. Although for people used to the old style scrollbar it may be confusing at first glance, it would quickly become another reason to get hooked on Ubuntu :) ... How do you know? Have you tested it? If so, on how many people? It would be an interesting thing to test. I wonder how difficult it would be to modify a few apps to use that method, so that we can try it out and get our friends/family to try it out as well. -- Mackenzie Morgan Linux User #432169 ACM Member #3445683 http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com -my blog of Ubuntu stuff apt-get moo -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for testing empathy
Reasonably fair point. It's just that that WOULD have been Hardy if there wasn't a packaging oopsy wrt. connection manager dependencies. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Intuitive Popup Scrollbars
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Odysseus Flappington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, if it is actually even the tiniest bit more user-friendly that what we currently have, which I have to admit I've been frustrated with before, everyone will scream Ubuntu's innovation.. I must admit, on a large screen moving all the way from top to bottom of the scrollbar is a royal pain. I wouldn't mind having easier targets. I remember if you clicked and held the center button/scroll wheel on Windows you could drag the page around a bit as well, to keep from having to go to the scrollbar. Can't figure out how to do that on Ubuntu, but then I'd rather not sacrifice middle-click-to-paste either. -- Mackenzie Morgan Linux User #432169 ACM Member #3445683 http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com -my blog of Ubuntu stuff apt-get moo -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Call for testing empathy
Here's my other thought: I personally don't have Intrepid to test this software out. Hardy doesn't have a functioning version (without going into PPA and manual setup, which is not what most people will do). Jumping straight into having it replace Pidgin might be hasty. Consider getting a stable program in the OS for a release before making it default. I am admittedly ignorant as to how stable Empathy and its extensions are. Since several others and myself have never /heard/ of it before, I assume it's a relatively new project. -- Luke L. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
