[Desktop12.04-Topic] GNOME Version for the LTS
Hey, So first easy one, discuss what GNOME version we will track for the LTS. It's basically a discussion we have at every UDS ;-) Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Improved screen locking, user switching
Hey again, Continuing the work started with the login experience this cycle I think we should improve the screen locking, user switching experience. We should also revisit if we want to support screensaver graphics or rather if that's a priority to invest efforts in Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Integrate language-selector to control center
Hey, I think we should work on making the upstream region capplet do what we need and deprecate language-selector in its favor if we can ;-) Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] gnome-control-center printing capplet vs system-config-printer
Hey, It's something Till put on the agenda at the previous UDS, we decided to stay on system-config-printer for Oneiric but meanwhile upstream continued work on the new integrated version, including using system-config-printer as a backend, we should revisit if the GNOME version is close enough from what you need to switch this cycle or if we should stay on what we have Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Improved screen locking, user switching
On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 11:07:39AM +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Hey again, Continuing the work started with the login experience this cycle I think we should improve the screen locking, user switching experience. We should also revisit if we want to support screensaver graphics or rather if that's a priority to invest efforts in Many of the graphical screensavers are dated looking, and a few can trigger bugs, however I do think it makes sense to keep at least a few of the popular or multipurpose ones, such as the Picture folder slideshow. Bryce -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Desktop applications selection
Hey, That's another classic for UDS, we should probably not change a lot but we said we would revisit having pitivi on the CD, we should also have a look to GNOME new stuff like the sushi previewer for nautilus Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Desktop quality (bugs fixing)
Hey, That's not really a topic but we all know we need to fix bugs (a lot of those) for the LTS, we should make sure to budget time for that and have a driven focus on the goal. One thing we might want to discuss is how we will build the list of desktop bugs that we think we should work on the during the LTS cycle. The current list from Pedro and Qa are a nice but they only cover selected set, how do we get visibility on i.e foundation issues, kernel bugs, plymouth issues, etc that impact on what we are doing? Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Desktop performances
Hey, Since we have been a bit sloppy on that topic since lucid (or busy with new features) we should aim back at better performances for the lts, that include cpu and memory usage and login time. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Working VNC (or no VNC)
Hi, That's a small topic but seems vino and compositing (i.e unity) don't work really fine together: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/772873 Not sure if that's a driver issue, xorg, vino, other but the issue is not new and doesn't reflect nicely on Ubuntu, I think we should be honest about it and either care enough to make it work in most cases or drop vino from the default installation. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Desktop sound theme,effects?
Hey, That's a small topic, but the current sound theme and effects are not great, the sound effect configuration tab doesn't make lot of sense either. Would somebody be interested to pick up on that and improvement it next cycle? We were also speaking about disabling the startup sound so it would be nice to have an easy way to turn it back on for those who like it ;-) Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Desktop sound theme,effects?
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hey, That's a small topic, but the current sound theme and effects are not great, the sound effect configuration tab doesn't make lot of sense either. Would somebody be interested to pick up on that and improvement it next cycle? We were also speaking about disabling the startup sound so it would be nice to have an easy way to turn it back on for those who like it ;-) Cheers, Sebastien Bacher Hey Seb, To be honest id love if we got a completely new sound theme that is more discrete and reflects the style of the clean and modern style of the desktop currently. I think its something that should definitely be talked about. Shane -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Desktop sound theme,effects?
On 10/04/2011 02:43 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Hey, That's a small topic, but the current sound theme and effects are not great, the sound effect configuration tab doesn't make lot of sense either. Would somebody be interested to pick up on that and improvement it next cycle? We were also speaking about disabling the startup sound so it would be nice to have an easy way to turn it back on for those who like it ;-) Cheers, Sebastien Bacher I'd like to see a new cursor them to replace DMZ. Just my 2 cents. - Eric -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Video playback?
On 4 October 2011 14:49, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: We probably don't want to switch video players in a lts cycle but not sure if we should go with the new version (we staying on 3.0 which still uses xv for Oneiric). Clutter-gst might introduce issues (vblank was mentioning as a potential issue with compiz during this cycle when we discussed it), not sure how much it got tested on i.e armel or how much it could be an issue on some video drivers... Should we go for the new version and deal with issues or stay safe with the old version using xv, or look for a different video player to use? Banshee plays videos too. Banshee git just got DVD support so maybe we can use one app for music videos. Because it's new, DVDs probably don't work as well in Banshee yet but maybe it'll be fine once it gets more testing and use. Jeremy -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Working VNC (or no VNC)
On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 08:40:43PM +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Hi, That's a small topic but seems vino and compositing (i.e unity) don't work really fine together: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/772873 Not sure if that's a driver issue, xorg, vino, other but the issue is not new and doesn't reflect nicely on Ubuntu, I think we should be honest about it and either care enough to make it work in most cases or drop vino from the default installation. Interesting history of problems, but it appears to work in general, at least for me: http://people.canonical.com/~bryce/Photos/vnc_unity.jpg That is with two Intel graphics machines running natty, both running unity (also tested unity+metacity and metacity+metacity) with one vnc'd to another over a wireless network. With unity on, display updates seem rather slow but it's still basically usable. Googling around, I found that at one point NVIDIA had to put out a fix (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2255561). Pitti had mentioned a couple months ago that this is an -fglrx specific issue, which well could me; if that can be confirmed, we could just have Alberto add it to the AMD bug escalation list for 12.04. What do you think? Bryce -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Desktop quality (bugs fixing)
On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 01:45:38PM +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Hey, That's not really a topic but we all know we need to fix bugs (a lot of those) for the LTS, we should make sure to budget time for that and have a driven focus on the goal. One thing we might want to discuss is how we will build the list of desktop bugs that we think we should work on the during the LTS cycle. Will there be a focus for LTS-LTS upgrade bugs? (More robust upgrades in general would be nice.) The current list from Pedro and Qa are a nice but they only cover selected set, how do we get visibility on i.e foundation issues, kernel bugs, plymouth issues, etc that impact on what we are doing? Can you elaborate on what info would be desired, or give some examples of how this visibility was impared on oneiric? Bryce -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Video playback?
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 06:41:17AM EST, Jeremy Bicha wrote: On 4 October 2011 14:49, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: We probably don't want to switch video players in a lts cycle but not sure if we should go with the new version (we staying on 3.0 which still uses xv for Oneiric). Clutter-gst might introduce issues (vblank was mentioning as a potential issue with compiz during this cycle when we discussed it), not sure how much it got tested on i.e armel or how much it could be an issue on some video drivers... Should we go for the new version and deal with issues or stay safe with the old version using xv, or look for a different video player to use? Banshee plays videos too. Banshee git just got DVD support so maybe we can use one app for music videos. Because it's new, DVDs probably don't work as well in Banshee yet but maybe it'll be fine once it gets more testing and use. I am of the opinion that we should allow users to play back video separate to their media library, should they choose to do so. This is possible on OS X with Quicktime Player and iTunes. I know if I want to look at a video thats not in my library or from a podcast, its much easier to find the video in Nautilus and open with totem. Luke -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Accessibility pollish.
Hey folks, Since Unity has been introduced, many strides have been made with accessibility. Unity 3D is approximately 80% accessible, so far as official oneiric packages go, and unity-2d is 99% accessible, thanks to the great work from the QT a11y folks, and the unity-2d developers. Both are likely to be 100% accessible for the LTS, which is great. However, they are not the only areas of accessibility that need improving. I have already started making a work item list of issues to address, to give the desktop more pollish when it comes to accessibility. Such issues include: * Making sure all indicators have accessible descriptions/labels. * Making sure any icons in indicator menus that need accessible descriptions/labels have them, a prime use case is network manager, to indicate wireless network strength. * Further pollish on Ubiquity's accessibility, particularly selecting a timezone. * Connecting up the rest of the accessibility profiles in the ubiquity a11y indicator. * Further pollish of the unity greeter accessibility experience. * Make sure the accessibility experience between unity 2d and 3d is the same. The list I have is slightly more technical and goes into more detail, but what is listed above is the gist of what I have. Whether this needs a session at UDS I don't know, but a blueprint will likely be needed for work items tracking. Luke -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Desktop performances
We now have a lot of infrastructure for evaluating and improving boot time. But all of the evaluation we've done has been under ideal situations - namely on filesystems that readahead well with a pre-populated ureadahead pack. But when people try Ubuntu for the first time, their experience won't be so idealized - they will be running the live session of of the installer. While it was easy to dismiss this scenario in the past as unfixable given the slow speed of optical drives, I think we should look at it more seriously now that USB drives and DVDs are becoming more popular as an installation mechanism. As a quick test, I measured the boot time of today's live CD build, compared with an installed system with a primed ureadahead pack. For both tests, I used the same desktop-grade hard drive connected over eSATA, so media speed shouldn't be relevant to the results. The results are in http://web.mit.edu/broder/Public/livecd-bootchart/ - you can see that the pre-install live CD boot is about 25% slower. There are some ongoing initiatives that will make this better - things like Upstart-in-initramfs will hopefully let us parallelize the highly serial setup that casper is doing. But at the very least, I would like for us to start tracking live session boot performance in the same way we already track post-install boot times, so that we remain aware of it as an issue. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hey, Since we have been a bit sloppy on that topic since lucid (or busy with new features) we should aim back at better performances for the lts, that include cpu and memory usage and login time. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop bootchartify Description: Binary data -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] Multi-screen setups
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 04:54:02AM +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: One area that really needs extra attention, is multi-screen setups. There are currently numerous issues. Some are just plain bugs, whereas others need designed solutions. It is currently very inconsistent. For instance; the panel is displayed equally on both screens and indicators are shown on all screens. Notifications, however, are only shown on one screen.The dash, expo and spread views are only shown on one screen, but the other screen is also dimmed. The launcher becomes very difficult to use with a mouse on mutli-monitor setups since it's so very far away. In many cases, it will also appear between two monitors, which makes it difficult to show. A few questions: * Should Unity be mirrored across the monitors? * Should expo appear on all monitors, but only show windows for the monitor it's displayed on? * Should the launcher be displayed on all monitors, and if so, how should it be shown with a mouse? * Should the dash, expo, spread view, etc, be displayed only on the monitor where the mouse pointer is, or a window has focused? I'm sure there are many other, valid questions. http://people.canonical.com/~bryce/ExternalMonitor/results.html -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Improved Authentication
It would be nice to improve the authentication mechanisms in Ubuntu to be more user friendly and make it easier to enable modern authentication schemes. This will probably involve: - Reviewing the messages/prompts in PAM for appropriateness - Adding hints to PAM to allow GUIs to better display the prompts (i.e. if a prompt is for a password, key number, if prompting for a password change). - Improving the Unity Greeter prompts to interpret the hints - Improving PolicyKit to interpret the hints - Making it easier to enable non-password authentication (e.g. LDAP, two factor). -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Wayland tech preview
It would be nice to be able to optionally run Wayland in 12.04 to try out the technology. This will involve: - Modifying LightDM to support Wayland - Writing a Wayland compositor - Running an X server that writes to the compositor - Making it easy to enable this - Disclaiming all responsibility This would be a low priority task. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
