Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
hi, On Di, 2013-04-02 at 12:03 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/ubuntu-desktop xdiagnose is used by apport, whoopsie and the Xorg failure mode. In case your graphics card fails it is used to do the reconfiguration to get you back on track. xterm is the default fallback tool built into X (if your display manager fails to start, no desktop is detected etc ... and you run startx you end up with an Xorg root window and an undecorated xterm ...) its a last resort fallback tool (and less than 300k big) ... ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
OK, the reasons make sense, but do we need to advertise them as Apps? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
hi, On Di, 2013-04-02 at 16:45 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: OK, the reasons make sense, but do we need to advertise them as Apps? i think xdiagnose doesnt need to be shown in any menus (though that would be a matter of the maintainer (hey bryce !) to hop into this discussion and comment, i dont think the .desktop file was added just because it is shiny, there is surely a reason for it's existence) xterm is used by many people doing development on ubuntu as a preferred terminal over gnome-terminal, so i dont think we can or should hide it if we don't want to put off people using ubuntu as a platform for their development tasks. ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com wrote: i think xdiagnose doesnt need to be shown in any menus (though that would be a matter of the maintainer (hey bryce !) to hop into this discussion and comment, i dont think the .desktop file was added just because it is shiny, there is surely a reason for it's existence) Got it. xterm is used by many people doing development on ubuntu as a preferred terminal over gnome-terminal, so i dont think we can or should hide it if we don't want to put off people using ubuntu as a platform for their development tasks. Well, I know there are people have good reasons to prefer xterm over gnome-terminal. However, there are also plenty of people don't bother to know what is terminal in the their entire life. Though there doesn't seem to have a good solution to satisfy both groups. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 10:55:48AM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: hi, On Di, 2013-04-02 at 16:45 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: OK, the reasons make sense, but do we need to advertise them as Apps? i think xdiagnose doesnt need to be shown in any menus (though that would be a matter of the maintainer (hey bryce !) to hop into this discussion and comment, i dont think the .desktop file was added just because it is shiny, there is surely a reason for it's existence) It doesn't need to be shown in the menus, no. Bryce -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
It seems like we need an easy way of show/hide App icons. Then we can hide useless icon for end users while don't bother advanced users too much. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
On 04/02/2013 10:36 PM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: It seems like we need an easy way of show/hide App icons. Then we can hide useless icon for end users while don't bother advanced users too much. There already is - NoDisplay=true file a bug on apps/sources in question -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
(Sorry forgot reply list) Sure I know what is a .desktop file. But can we do per-user show/hide? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
On 2 April 2013 23:05, Doug McMahon mc631...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/02/2013 10:36 PM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: It seems like we need an easy way of show/hide App icons. Then we can hide useless icon for end users while don't bother advanced users too much. There already is - NoDisplay=true file a bug on apps/sources in question The tracking bug for hiding xterm is bug 129041. I went ahead and made this change for Ubuntu GNOME but I don't think there's been sufficient consensus yet for this to be done in the regular Ubuntu image. Jeremy -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
On 2 April 2013 23:13, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote: Sure I know what is a .desktop file. But can we do per-user show/hide? Install alacarte and then just uncheck the apps you don't want to see in the menus. Jeremy -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jeremy Bicha jer...@bicha.net wrote: Install alacarte and then just uncheck the apps you don't want to see in the menus. So I can expect end users do not know what a terminal is to know this software? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Why ubuntu-desktop depends on xdiagnose and xterm
On 03/04/2013 13:21, Ma Xiaojun wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jeremy Bicha jer...@bicha.net wrote: Install alacarte and then just uncheck the apps you don't want to see in the menus. So I can expect end users do not know what a terminal is to know this software? I don't understand. Are you saying that you expect end users who don't know what a terminal is to know a terminal? -- Kind regards, Loong Jin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
