Missing indicators in 17.10 beta

[Paul Tansom]

I'm sure I read that 17.10 with the Ubuntu'ified Gnome was going to have 
indicators (at the top right) much like Unity. I've just upgraded a desktop to 
the beta and found no sign of them. Sadly my Google Fu has not managed to find 
anything about how they are implemented so I can fix the problem rather than 
sort something out that does the same thing, but isn't actually stock Ubuntu. 
Is anyone running the beta successfully and able to tell me how they are setup?

I know there's an extension to do this, so I could just install the Gnome Tweak 
tool and implement something from there, but I'd far rather find the actual 
problem. I also don't have the proper Gnome implementation that hides them away 
at the bottom left - who hides an indicator? I'm glad car manufacturers don't 
do that ;-)

Of course this could be down to an upgrade (from 17.04) that didn't actually 
work as well as it seemed. The Dash to Dock performs very badly, requiring 
wiggling of the mouse over the top or bottom of the dock to get it to scroll 
(thankfully the mouse wheel works). I've also yet to work out what the grid of 
dots does at the bottom of the dock, it claims to 'show application', but which 
ones I have no idea as nothing actually happens when you click it. The icons 
also seem quite small (20px by the looks of it, with massive gaps around them - 
puts me in the mind of the Oric 1 keyboard if anyone is of my era and remembers 
those - so much space between the keys it was easier to miss them that hit 
them!).

If I can work out what is going wrong I can report a bug with some useful info; 
there's no point reporting that it doesn't work if I don't even know which 
package isn't working!

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Re: Firefox ESR package is really needed

[Marcos Alano]

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:04 PM, James Henstridge
 wrote:
> On 29 September 2017 at 11:43, Marcos Alano  wrote:
>> What is the difference between keep the latest release and a ESR
>> release? ESR someday was a latest release.
>
> It's not really a question of whether Firefox-ESR is more difficult to
> maintain than Firefox.  Rather, the comparison is between the
> maintaining Firefox and maintaining both Firefox and Firefox-ESR
> simultaneously.
>
Understood. I think we need to do is ask some tough questions to find
a way to finally make available the firefox-esr.
Someone already asks a question I think it's very tough: how firefox
and firefox-esr can live together? Maybe just a different namespace
with /etc/alternatives symlinks. Actually could be a good idea because
allows more integration with Firefox Beta and Firefox Nightly provided
by Mozilla Team. Mozilla Nightly is in a different namespace, but Beta
updates the stable version which isn't a good way since I can't test
beta without lose stable.


> James.



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Re: Firefox ESR package is really needed

[James Henstridge]

On 29 September 2017 at 11:43, Marcos Alano  wrote:
> What is the difference between keep the latest release and a ESR
> release? ESR someday was a latest release.

It's not really a question of whether Firefox-ESR is more difficult to
maintain than Firefox.  Rather, the comparison is between the
maintaining Firefox and maintaining both Firefox and Firefox-ESR
simultaneously.

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Re: Firefox ESR package is really needed

[Marcos Alano]

What is the difference between keep the latest release and a ESR
release? ESR someday was a latest release.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Olivier Tilloy
 wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Nrbrtx  wrote:
>> Dear all!
>>
>> Do you have any news about packaging Firefox ESR in supported Ubuntu?
>
> This has been discussed this week in New York, and the desktop team
> doesn't have the resources to commit to packaging and maintaining
> Firefox ESR, unfortunately.
>
>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Logan Rosen  wrote:
>>>
>>> Matthias, it looks like you added firefox-esr to the sync blacklist from
>>> Debian in this commit. Can you please shine some light on why this change
>>> was made? Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Nrbrtx  wrote:

 Dear Ubuntu developers!

 For enterprise Ubuntu users Firefox ESR is needed.
 It does not change too fast and support old "LEGACY" extensions.

 This problem was discussed at least twice on AskUbuntu (see
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/305199/is-there-a-deb-package-to-install-firefox-esr
 and
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/505895/how-can-i-install-an-older-version-of-firefox-in-ubuntu-14-04
 ).
 There is a bug about this problem on Launchpad (see
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1676164).

 For example in Windows my organization uses Firefox ESR.
 We do not need bells and whistles, we need to do our work with stable
 user experience and without security vulnerabilities.

 Debian already has Firefox ESR (see
 https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&exact=1&searchon=names&keywords=firefox-esr)
 for all supported versions.

 Please add these packages to all supported Ubuntu versions.
 You may want to use bleeding edge version as default, but please add
 firefox-esr package too.


 With best regards,
 Norbert.

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Re: Firefox ESR package is really needed

[Olivier Tilloy]

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Nrbrtx  wrote:
> Dear all!
>
> Do you have any news about packaging Firefox ESR in supported Ubuntu?

This has been discussed this week in New York, and the desktop team
doesn't have the resources to commit to packaging and maintaining
Firefox ESR, unfortunately.


> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Logan Rosen  wrote:
>>
>> Matthias, it looks like you added firefox-esr to the sync blacklist from
>> Debian in this commit. Can you please shine some light on why this change
>> was made? Thanks!
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Nrbrtx  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Ubuntu developers!
>>>
>>> For enterprise Ubuntu users Firefox ESR is needed.
>>> It does not change too fast and support old "LEGACY" extensions.
>>>
>>> This problem was discussed at least twice on AskUbuntu (see
>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/305199/is-there-a-deb-package-to-install-firefox-esr
>>> and
>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/505895/how-can-i-install-an-older-version-of-firefox-in-ubuntu-14-04
>>> ).
>>> There is a bug about this problem on Launchpad (see
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1676164).
>>>
>>> For example in Windows my organization uses Firefox ESR.
>>> We do not need bells and whistles, we need to do our work with stable
>>> user experience and without security vulnerabilities.
>>>
>>> Debian already has Firefox ESR (see
>>> https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&exact=1&searchon=names&keywords=firefox-esr)
>>> for all supported versions.
>>>
>>> Please add these packages to all supported Ubuntu versions.
>>> You may want to use bleeding edge version as default, but please add
>>> firefox-esr package too.
>>>
>>>
>>> With best regards,
>>> Norbert.
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Re: Firefox ESR package is really needed

[Nrbrtx]

Dear all!

Do you have any news about packaging Firefox ESR in supported Ubuntu?


With best regards,
Norbert.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Logan Rosen  wrote:

> Matthias, it looks like you added firefox-esr to the sync blacklist from
> Debian in this commit
> .
> Can you please shine some light on why this change was made? Thanks!
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Nrbrtx  wrote:
>
>> Dear Ubuntu developers!
>>
>> For enterprise Ubuntu users Firefox ESR
>>  is needed.
>> It does not change too fast and support old "LEGACY" extensions
>> 
>> .
>>
>> This problem was discussed at least twice on AskUbuntu (see
>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/305199/is-there-a-deb-packag
>> e-to-install-firefox-esr and https://askubuntu.com/question
>> s/505895/how-can-i-install-an-older-version-of-firefox-in-ubuntu-14-04 ).
>> There is a bug about this problem on Launchpad (see
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1676164).
>>
>> For example in Windows my organization uses Firefox ESR.
>> We do not need bells and whistles, we need to do our work with stable
>> user experience and without security vulnerabilities.
>>
>> Debian already has Firefox ESR (see https://packages.debian.org/se
>> arch?suite=all&exact=1&searchon=names&keywords=firefox-esr) for all
>> supported versions.
>>
>> Please add these packages to all supported Ubuntu versions.
>> You may want to use bleeding edge version as default, but please add
>> firefox-esr package too.
>>
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Norbert.
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