Re: Keep, modify or drop Ubuntu's headerbar patches
My US$ 0.02: I think it's nice discuss this in the community hub because everyone can read the discussion easily. Mailing list is easy too and I love email, but may be some people could think lots of emails are anti-productive and annoying. For this people a nice web interface is better.$ On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> We started discussing this issue at last week's Desktop Team meeting >> but it is complicated and difficult enough that we decided to move it >> to the mailing list instead. > > If there aren't objections, let's discuss this on the Community Hub > instead of on this mailing list > > https://community.ubuntu.com/t/removal-of-headerbar-patches-and-impact-on-unity/1456 > > Thank you and apologies for the confusion, > Jeremy Bicha > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- Marcos H. Alano Linux System Administrator marcoshal...@gmail.com -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Bug 1715822] Re: "Ubuntu on Xorg" string not available for translation
I think "Ubuntu (Xorg)" is nice, and pretty. Marcos H. Alano Linux System Administrator marcoshal...@gmail.com On Oct 11, 2017 12:01, "Sebastien Bacher" wrote: > It would maybe be easier to just use "Ubuntu (Xorg)" and then no > translation would be needed (those items might be a bit weird/hard to > translate anyway) > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Desktop, which is subscribed to the bug report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1715822 > > Title: > "Ubuntu on Xorg" string not available for translation > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1715822/+subscriptions > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Firefox ESR package is really needed
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:04 PM, James Henstridge wrote: > On 29 September 2017 at 11:43, Marcos Alano wrote: >> What is the difference between keep the latest release and a ESR >> release? ESR someday was a latest release. > > It's not really a question of whether Firefox-ESR is more difficult to > maintain than Firefox. Rather, the comparison is between the > maintaining Firefox and maintaining both Firefox and Firefox-ESR > simultaneously. > Understood. I think we need to do is ask some tough questions to find a way to finally make available the firefox-esr. Someone already asks a question I think it's very tough: how firefox and firefox-esr can live together? Maybe just a different namespace with /etc/alternatives symlinks. Actually could be a good idea because allows more integration with Firefox Beta and Firefox Nightly provided by Mozilla Team. Mozilla Nightly is in a different namespace, but Beta updates the stable version which isn't a good way since I can't test beta without lose stable. > James. -- Marcos Alano -- P: Por que este email é tão curto? R: http://five.sentenc.es -- -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Firefox ESR package is really needed
What is the difference between keep the latest release and a ESR release? ESR someday was a latest release. On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Olivier Tilloy wrote: > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Nrbrtx wrote: >> Dear all! >> >> Do you have any news about packaging Firefox ESR in supported Ubuntu? > > This has been discussed this week in New York, and the desktop team > doesn't have the resources to commit to packaging and maintaining > Firefox ESR, unfortunately. > > >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Logan Rosen wrote: >>> >>> Matthias, it looks like you added firefox-esr to the sync blacklist from >>> Debian in this commit. Can you please shine some light on why this change >>> was made? Thanks! >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Nrbrtx wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Ubuntu developers! >>>> >>>> For enterprise Ubuntu users Firefox ESR is needed. >>>> It does not change too fast and support old "LEGACY" extensions. >>>> >>>> This problem was discussed at least twice on AskUbuntu (see >>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/305199/is-there-a-deb-package-to-install-firefox-esr >>>> and >>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/505895/how-can-i-install-an-older-version-of-firefox-in-ubuntu-14-04 >>>> ). >>>> There is a bug about this problem on Launchpad (see >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1676164). >>>> >>>> For example in Windows my organization uses Firefox ESR. >>>> We do not need bells and whistles, we need to do our work with stable >>>> user experience and without security vulnerabilities. >>>> >>>> Debian already has Firefox ESR (see >>>> https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&exact=1&searchon=names&keywords=firefox-esr) >>>> for all supported versions. >>>> >>>> Please add these packages to all supported Ubuntu versions. >>>> You may want to use bleeding edge version as default, but please add >>>> firefox-esr package too. >>>> >>>> >>>> With best regards, >>>> Norbert. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ubuntu-desktop mailing list >>>> ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-desktop mailing list >> ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop >> > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- Marcos Alano -- P: Por que este email é tão curto? R: http://five.sentenc.es -- -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu
Kudos for you Matthew. Fonts are a package category which need a GUI to show some preview images. On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Colin Law wrote on 26/08/17 18:21: >>… >> OK, I see where you are coming from. It never occurred to me that >> anyone wanting to install libgtk2.0-dev, or similar, would want to use >> a GUI. I assumed everyone used apt for that. Obviously I am wrong. >>… > > Fonts are a clear example of packages that aren’t applications, but that > are much more pleasant to install with a GUI, since it can show you what > they look like. > > -- > mpt > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- Marcos Alano -- P: Por que este email é tão curto? R: http://five.sentenc.es -- -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: old or new shell for gnome-control-center?
I think the new UI is great, but hard to tell if the stable release will be released fast enough to entry on Artful. Said that, I think we use new UI. On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le 09/08/2017 à 21:51, Jeremy Bicha a écrit : >> There are several minor UI issues with the new design and hardly >> anyone has used it yet. Although GNOME is technically at UI Freeze, >> it's likely that gnome-control-center will get several freeze >> exceptions to fix some of those issues. > > I've been using the new one for a while and I think it works well enough > to go with it. > > Note that I reported a few problems upstream and didn't get any > triaging/comment/reply/fix, we shouldn't block on that but we might need > to get ready to fix some of the issues ourselve > > Cheers, > > Sebastien Bacher > > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- Marcos Alano -- P: Por que este email é tão curto? R: http://five.sentenc.es -- -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: GNOME Logs
That's a real bummer. :( Marcos Alano marcoshal...@gmail.com On Aug 4, 2017 12:58, "Sebastien Bacher" wrote: > Le 03/08/2017 à 01:32, Sebastien Bacher a écrit : > > What do other thing about the usability? > Just so people understand better what I mean I'm adding a screenshot > (edit, adding an url, the list blocks my msg with the image in moderation) > https://bug785827.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=356973 > > I've opened https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785827 about that > > Cheers, > Sebastien Bacher > > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Remove default app: xterm?
I agree with that. GNOME Terminal is fine and we always have Ctrl-Alt-F{1-6}.
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Bryan Quigley
wrote:
> Xterm takes up two menu items (xterm and uxterm) and doesn't provide
> any more functionality then gnome-terminal. In an installed setup,
> those two menu items make gnome-shell have 3 pages instead of 2 in my
> testing.
>
> The comment in seeds for adding it is "Provide a backup terminal and
> complete X env.":
>
> Backup terminal - I don't think we really need a backup and we don't
> do it for other apps. There is always a VT and if someone wants to
> use a GUI they can install another terminal with gnome-software.
>
> complete X env. - Especially with us considering wayland, if it
> actually pulls in anything (that other packages don't) then we want to
> bring it in explicitly.
>
> Thanks!
> Bryan
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Re: Firefox supported architectures
I think armhf is important until release Ubuntu Desktop for arm64 to run on Raspberry Pi 3. My 2 cents. On 7/10/17 6:28 PM, Bryan Quigley wrote: Hi all, It's been discussed a few times on IRC how Firefox gets stuck in -proposed in dev releases because it doesn't compile for all the archs on every Firefox release. This also occurs for those same archs on updates - for example the most up-to-date Firefox release for ppc64el Xenial is 52. Can we drop Firefox building for some of the archs so that it's not blocked on them? What archs do we really care about having Firefox on? Currently building:amd64, arm64, i386 Currently failing: armhf, ppc64el, armhf Thoughts? Bryan * Latest build fails related to rust on ppc64el. Check out rmadison firefox for more (I believe it is accurate) -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
What exactly means "GNOME" in this context?
Nice fellows, I read the Mark's announcement about "Unity is dead. Long live to GNOME" but what exactly means "GNOME" in this context? He's idea is to use GNOME Shell or other window manager GNOME-based, like Budgie? If is GNOME Shell, this will deprecate Ubuntu GNOME edition? Thanks nice fellows! :) -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Google Cloud Print out-of-the-box
Hi everybody! I was wondering there is no support for Google Cloud Print out-of-the-box on Ubuntu. Fedora has this feature (I don't use so I can't test). There this piece of software called CUPS Cloud Print (https://www.niftiestsoftware.com/cups-cloud-print/) which make locally available all printers on one or more Google accounts via Cloud Print. The idea is when add an Google account on Online Accounts settings, all printers related will be show on CUPS like regular local/network printers. What you guys think? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Hello, I'm Martin
May be you could write an article about "How to access Internet using shortwave radio equipment" ;) Em qua, 28 de set de 2016 às 07:46, Jeremy Bicha escreveu: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Martin Wimpress > wrote: > > I'm working from home in Hampshire, England and connected to the Internet > > via shortwave radio. My recent professional background has been in large > > Like wifi or what? > > Jeremy > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- Marcos H. Alano Sent from my Android -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: i386 EOL plans for Ubuntu Desktop?
On Jul 5, 2016 16:40, "Gunnar Hjalmarsson" wrote: > > On 2016-07-05 21:31, Marcos Alano wrote: > > 2016-07-05 12:57 GMT-03:00 Bryan Quigley > > : > >> The general ideas are: > >> A. Drop ubuntu-desktop i386 ISO for 16.10 and drop some packages > >> from the i386 archive - likely Unity7/8*. > > > > I think the option A should be put out of discussion or, at least, > > analyzed very carefully. That's because some applications for i386 > > don't have equivalent for amd64. And other applications depend of > > some i386 packages present in the repositories. Big examples are > > Skype and Steam. Steam depends of a series of i386 packages for GUI. > > You can use those applications without installing a 32 bit system. > Dropping the ISO isn't equivalent to dropping all the 32 bit packages. > Gunnar, I know that. My idea is none of the packages should be dropped, for now at least. What option A says is to drop ISOs and some packages. I think option B, drop just ISO, is better. Did you understand? > -- > Gunnar Hjalmarsson > https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: i386 EOL plans for Ubuntu Desktop?
2016-07-05 12:57 GMT-03:00 Bryan Quigley : > > The general ideas are: > A. Drop ubuntu-desktop i386 ISO for 16.10 and drop some packages from > the i386 archive - likely Unity7/8*. > B. Just drop ubuntu-desktop i386 ISO for 16.10. > C. Keep everything as is for 18.04, and then consider dropping i386 > in 18.10 timeframe. > > Thoughts? I think the option A should be put out of discussion or, at least, analyzed very carefully. That's because some applications for i386 don't have equivalent for amd64. And other applications depend of some i386 packages present in the repositories. Big examples are Skype and Steam. Steam depends of a series of i386 packages for GUI. -- Marcos Alano -- P: Por que este email é tão curto? R: http://five.sentenc.es -- -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
/opt/extras.ubuntu.com
Hi guys, I was wondering why still exist applications inside /opt/extras.ubuntu.com. I think if you create a correct package (put binaries inside /usr/bin, for instance) could be easy to add the package in the repositories and port for other distros like Debian and Mint. put the file inside /opt/ extras.ubuntu.com came from when we use quickly to create packages and there something related with Ubuntu Software Center, I guess. Since both are dead, far as I know, should we adapt the packages for more normal format? Cheers -- Sent from my Android -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Firefox/NPAPI/Flash discussion for UDS
Simple: When Firefox without Flash support comes, add to Firefox package a conflict statement for Flash package and maybe hal too. Seems fine to you? 2015-10-19 18:48 GMT-02:00 Ramon Marquez : > and what will happen when flash was discontinued? > > El 19/10/15 a las 16:04, Marcos Alano escribió: > > I think this guy [1] can help us and create packages for hal (all hal > or just the library) so Flash could depend on it. > I think there is no harm if we keep a package just for Flash DRM. But > we just need to maintain that until Flash is discontinued. > > > > > > -- > Libuntu - Opensource, Software Libre, Linux, Juegos y Mas > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- Marcos Alano -- P: Por que este email é tão curto? R: http://five.sentenc.es -- -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Firefox/NPAPI/Flash discussion for UDS
ut we expect it to be sometime in 2017), and we >> will keep distributing Flash 11.2 via the partner archive to all Ubuntu >> releases for as long as it's supported. >> >> I wouldn't expect Adobe to spend time porting a piece of software that >> they've deprecated and are only providing security fixes for to newer >> technologies (eg, gtk3, away from HAL). Speaking as the Firefox >> maintainer, the current plugin really doesn't cause any problems for >> Firefox maintenance at the distro level (there might be some burden >> upstream, but Flash already works fine in gtk3 Firefox). And I think >> you're over-exaggerating the impact of not having DRM support (because >> of the HAL dependency) - most sites that use Flash continue to work fine >> with the exception of things like Amazon Video, which haven't worked out >> of the box on Ubuntu since we dropped HAL from the default install >> (IIRC, sometime around 2010). If there really was a big demand for this, >> we'd have fixed it 5 years ago. I even wrote a wrapper to make it work, >> but there wasn't much interest in it >> (https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+junk/flash-hal-helper). >> >> Regards >> - Chris >> >> -- >> ubuntu-desktop mailing list >> ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- Marcos Alano -- P: Por que este email é tão curto? R: http://five.sentenc.es -- -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
