Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] control center cleanup

[Milan Bouchet-Valat]

Le mardi 11 octobre 2011 à 17:25 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas a écrit :
> Rodrigo Moya wrote on 10/10/11 17:09:
> > It's completely misnamed though. I guess just 'System' or
> > something similar should be enough
> > 
> > ...
> 
> 
> It might be possible to find a name that explicably covers default
> applications + removable media ("Applications", perhaps?), but I doubt
> it. I think the reason Windows has an "AutoPlay" panel and OS X has a
> "CDs & DVDs" panel, separate from file handler settings, is probably
> that people wouldn't find them otherwise.
> 
> And it's necessarily even less likely that there is any name that
> could be given to a panel containing OS version info, hardware specs,
> session fallback, default applications, *and* removable media, that
> would make all of them easily findable.
It's been reported many times, but someone should come up with a
well-though design and arguments to convince the designers.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647442


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Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] control center cleanup

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

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Rodrigo Moya wrote on 10/10/11 17:09:
> 
> On sáb, 2011-10-08 at 17:44 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>> 
>> Rodrigo Moya wrote on 06/10/11 15:23:
> ...
>>> * language-selector: we just need ability to install languages
>>> and input method support in the region panel to completely
>>> remove this
>> 
>> I'm working on the design for that one. 
>> 
>>
>
>> 
yeah, been seeing your changes to the live.gnome wiki page. I'm
> starting to work on all the missing pieces in the region panel
> soon, so will keep you posted of the progress of the
> implementation


Cool. I've completed a draft design now:


>>> * software sources: also maybe as part of the System Info
>>> panel, which does updates?
>> 
>> The System Info panel shouldn't be in System Settings in the
>> first place. It isn't settings.
>> 
> It is settings. It allows you to force fallback for the session if
> you don't have a supported video card, it allows you to select
> default applications and now, in 3.3, has the Removable Media panel
> included, so it really does allow to set things.


I was referring to the System Info panel in Ubuntu 11.10, which shows
only the Ubuntu version and basic hardware specs.

> It's completely misnamed though. I guess just 'System' or
> something similar should be enough
> 
> ...


It might be possible to find a name that explicably covers default
applications + removable media ("Applications", perhaps?), but I doubt
it. I think the reason Windows has an "AutoPlay" panel and OS X has a
"CDs & DVDs" panel, separate from file handler settings, is probably
that people wouldn't find them otherwise.

And it's necessarily even less likely that there is any name that
could be given to a panel containing OS version info, hardware specs,
session fallback, default applications, *and* removable media, that
would make all of them easily findable.

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Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] control center cleanup

[Rodrigo Moya]

On sáb, 2011-10-08 at 17:44 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> Rodrigo Moya wrote on 06/10/11 15:23:
> > ...
> > 
> > For Oneiric we went the easy route of adding a way to run external
> > applications for the stuff we wanted in the control center. But
> > this looks quite bad (some panels are embedded, others run a
> > separate application), so for P I'd like us to do a cleanup and
> > avoid as much as possible having external windows.
> > 
> > So, here's a list of what we have:
> > 
> > * jockey: this could perfectly fit in the System Info panel
> 
> 
> I wouldn't call it a "perfect fit", but that's one possibility.
> Another is Ubuntu Software Center
> , and another is Update Manager.
> 
in Ubuntu Software Center or Update Manager it's much better, yes. I
would really prefer it to be there than having to patch g-c-c to include
it.

Another option of course is a 'Software updates' panel in g-c-c, much
more work though

> > * language-selector: we just need ability to install languages and 
> > input method support in the region panel to completely remove this
> 
> 
> I'm working on the design for that one.
> 
> 
yeah, been seeing your changes to the live.gnome wiki page. I'm starting
to work on all the missing pieces in the region panel soon, so will keep
you posted of the progress of the implementation

> > * software sources: also maybe as part of the System Info panel, 
> > which does updates?
> 
> 
> The System Info panel shouldn't be in System Settings in the first
> place. It isn't settings.
> 
It is settings. It allows you to force fallback for the session if you
don't have a supported video card, it allows you to select default
applications and now, in 3.3, has the Removable Media panel included, so
it really does allow to set things.

It's completely misnamed though. I guess just 'System' or something
similar should be enough

cheers


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Re: [Desktop12.04-Topic] control center cleanup

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

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Rodrigo Moya wrote on 06/10/11 15:23:
> ...
> 
> For Oneiric we went the easy route of adding a way to run external
> applications for the stuff we wanted in the control center. But
> this looks quite bad (some panels are embedded, others run a
> separate application), so for P I'd like us to do a cleanup and
> avoid as much as possible having external windows.
> 
> So, here's a list of what we have:
> 
> * jockey: this could perfectly fit in the System Info panel


I wouldn't call it a "perfect fit", but that's one possibility.
Another is Ubuntu Software Center
, and another is Update Manager.

> * language-selector: we just need ability to install languages and 
> input method support in the region panel to completely remove this


I'm working on the design for that one.


> * software sources: also maybe as part of the System Info panel, 
> which does updates?


The System Info panel shouldn't be in System Settings in the first
place. It isn't settings.

> the tricky one is Ubuntu One, so I guess we'd have to leave it as 
> it is, or write a panel that just embeds the u1-panel window? ...


It should embed into the System Settings window on Ubuntu, and into
the Control Panel window on Windows.

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[Desktop12.04-Topic] control center cleanup

[Rodrigo Moya]

Hi

For Oneiric we went the easy route of adding a way to run external
applications for the stuff we wanted in the control center. But this
looks quite bad (some panels are embedded, others run a separate
application), so for P I'd like us to do a cleanup and avoid as much as
possible having external windows.

So, here's a list of what we have:

* jockey: this could perfectly fit in the System Info panel
* language-selector: we just need ability to install languages and input
method support in the region panel to completely remove this
* software sources: also maybe as part of the System Info panel, which
does updates?

the tricky one is Ubuntu One, so I guess we'd have to leave it as it is,
or write a panel that just embeds the u1-panel window?

cheers


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