Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:25, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 10:06 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : > > I hear that next cycle we will probably be required to ship unity-2d, > > and with it Qt. This means we'll need yet another round of "where to > > get the space from?". > > Hi, > > We should probably discuss dropping "classic GNOME" (i.e the GNOME2 > session) from the CD then if we do that. > > Cheers, > Sebastien Bacher > Sounds like a plausible path.. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: > Hello all, > > In the last years we fell victim to an ever-growing set of language > runtimes and toolkits, but I realize that getting rid of each of them > is hard. So if we want to keep adding new features without removing > others, we might also eventually reconsider moving to 1 GB USB images > and entirely stop shipping CD images (on mirrors/shop/Loco > distribution, etc.) This would be something I would hate to do, but it > seems reality is against our original design goals :-) This is something that we should realy be careful. I am speaking here with my a LoCo member hat on. It will give a real stop to many of our promotion activites if we cannot give CD to anyone who is interested. And proving usb media won't be possible due to the price gap. We might still have the dvd option (a dvd with 1Go iso) but it is clearly something to consider before making such move. But I completly trust you judgement Martin on that point. Christophe -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: > I expect that in practice pretty much everyone uses usb-creator and > USB sticks with the current ISOs anyway. The 700 MB limit still serves > as a good boundary because with every 100 MB it grows we'll lose some > people who are able to download the beast, and it'll also greatly > reduce the pressure for us to not grow fat so quickly. One thing that does worry me is that if we increase the image size to 1G, we'll immediately come up with a long list of things to fill it with. And then we'll be in the same position again. Maybe it would be better if we expanded the image size slowly - 800M for O, 900M for P, or something similar - to make sure that we continue to think long-term when we add to the image. - Evan -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
Evan Broder [2011-04-07 1:11 -0700]: > Booting Ubuntu off of an actual CD is impressively slow these days; > using a USB drive instead would give first-time users a better > experience. I expect that in practice pretty much everyone uses usb-creator and USB sticks with the current ISOs anyway. The 700 MB limit still serves as a good boundary because with every 100 MB it grows we'll lose some people who are able to download the beast, and it'll also greatly reduce the pressure for us to not grow fat so quickly. Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 10:06:54AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > So if we want to keep adding new features without removing > others, we might also eventually reconsider moving to 1 GB USB images > and entirely stop shipping CD images (on mirrors/shop/Loco > distribution, etc.) This would be something I would hate to do, but it > seems reality is against our original design goals :-) Given the recent scaling back of shipit, it seems worth giving that some serious consideration. Bryce -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 10:06 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : > I hear that next cycle we will probably be required to ship unity-2d, > and with it Qt. This means we'll need yet another round of "where to > get the space from?". Hi, We should probably discuss dropping "classic GNOME" (i.e the GNOME2 session) from the CD then if we do that. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: > In the last years we fell victim to an ever-growing set of language > runtimes and toolkits, but I realize that getting rid of each of them > is hard. So if we want to keep adding new features without removing > others, we might also eventually reconsider moving to 1 GB USB images > and entirely stop shipping CD images (on mirrors/shop/Loco > distribution, etc.) This would be something I would hate to do, but it > seems reality is against our original design goals :-) While I like that the 700M CD image gives us a physical (as opposed to more or less arbitrary) limitation on the size of our images, another benefit of not shipping CD images would be performance. Booting Ubuntu off of an actual CD is impressively slow these days; using a USB drive instead would give first-time users a better experience. - Evan -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
Hello all, I hear that next cycle we will probably be required to ship unity-2d, and with it Qt. This means we'll need yet another round of "where to get the space from?". Next cycle we'll drop Python 2.6, but at the same time add Python 3, so the python-* library packages won't shrink. In the contrary, we'll have to ship python3 itself in addition. I don't think we'll manage to port everything to Python 3 next cycle, so we'll have to keep both. The only thing I still know of which people won't immediately miss is Perl, but removing it will mean to remove AppArmor and shiny debconf dialogs in software-center/synaptics. Aside from that we pretty much exhausted package content optimization. In the last years we fell victim to an ever-growing set of language runtimes and toolkits, but I realize that getting rid of each of them is hard. So if we want to keep adding new features without removing others, we might also eventually reconsider moving to 1 GB USB images and entirely stop shipping CD images (on mirrors/shop/Loco distribution, etc.) This would be something I would hate to do, but it seems reality is against our original design goals :-) Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
