Re: [Unity-design] What do we do with the file manager?
Today I upgraded and have no file manager. Are changes being made now? On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Georgi Karavasilev motors...@gmail.com wrote: Marlin does have Bookmarks. Right click on the launcher icon - they are presented as quicklis. Also they are also on the sidebar - the first category Personal are the bookmarked folders (drag and drop them whatever you want there). But yes, it is not cool that Marlin has no search :) -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- Efrain Valles https://launchpad.net/~effie-jayx -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] What do we do with the file manager?
Well, this won't be build from scratch, the developer is the same guy that created the patched Nautilus 3.4, so you could say it is a Nautilus 3.4 modification or fork. What makes it different from Marlin is: A) Marlin has no search B) Marlin sidebar is totally different C) Marlin has no menubar (except in Unity) D) Marlin's pathbar starts in the above the sidebar, in order to pretty the things up a - my pathbar starts immediately after the sidebar E) The name says Drawer It is also Nautilus based, so it can draw the desktop, which is something that Marlin can't do :P -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] What do we do with the file manager?
Marlin does have Bookmarks. Right click on the launcher icon - they are presented as quicklis. Also they are also on the sidebar - the first category Personal are the bookmarked folders (drag and drop them whatever you want there). But yes, it is not cool that Marlin has no search :) -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Fwd: [Unity-design] What do we do with the file manager?
Forwared to Ubuntu desktop list as well. -- Forwarded message -- From: Georgi Karavasilev motors...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:46 PM Subject: [Unity-design] What do we do with the file manager? To: Ayatana Mailing List unity-des...@lists.launchpad.net Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, this has already been discussed like countless of time already and stuff, however a decision has not been reached, which is bit worrying. Lets face it - there are a lot of choices out there, but none of them are perfect. Nautilus 3.4 is the safest bet out there (feature and stability wise), however it has that horrid chopped down right sided toolbar and the back and forward on the right and neither of those two are even remotely good looking. Nautilus 3.6 is pretty, however it is terrible chopped down feature wise and doesn't fit Ubuntu and Unity at all (super-menu and no menubar, hence no appmenu = no HUD, light toolbar (and all other apps have dark ones). Nemo is the new kid on the block and that's pretty much all that's known about it. Marlin is the prettiest file manager there is out there, however it does lack stability (and maybe a features - MAYBE) and *needs **a lot* manpower. last, but not least there is this patched version of Nautilus 3.4 - http://www.webupd8.org/2012/08/install-solusos-patched-nautilus-in-ubuntu-1204.html, that could as well do the trick. It has full-width toolbar and back and back and forward on left. *Personally *I am in favour of investing time and manpower in Marlin. Surely that's biting the bullet and it is bit risky, but it could pay off big time :) So, what do you say? :P -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design Post to : unity-des...@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd: [Unity-design] What do we do with the file manager?
Nautilus 3.4 is the safest bet out there (feature and stability wise), however it has that horrid chopped down right sided toolbar and the back and forward on the right and neither of those two are even remotely good looking. It would be easy enough to tweak it, but staying on an old unmaintained version of nautilus is not a solution going forward. Nautilus 3.6 is pretty, however it is terrible chopped down feature wise and doesn't fit Ubuntu and Unity at all (super-menu and no menubar, hence no appmenu = no HUD, light toolbar (and all other apps have dark ones). We could probably hack around and push the popup menu content to the HUD if that's the only issue, the problem is that it's not the only change so far (the drop of the menu means we have no desktop menu on empty desktops at the moment, they dropped compact view, treeview sidepanel, the lack of menubar looks weird in unity, etc) Nemo is the new kid on the block and that's pretty much all that's known about it. it's basically a fork of nautilus 3.4 no? Marlin is the prettiest file manager there is out there, however it does lack stability (and maybe a features - MAYBE) and *needs */a lot/ manpower. The elementary guys worked on top of marlin for this own file manager as well: https://launchpad.net/pantheon-files Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd: [Unity-design] What do we do with the file manager?
Nautilus 3.4 is the safest bet out there (feature and stability wise), however it has that horrid chopped down right sided toolbar and the back and forward on the right and neither of those two are even remotely good looking. *It would be easy enough to tweak it, but staying on an old unmaintained version of nautilus is not a solution going forward.* Exactly what I think about staying on 3.4. Nautilus 3.6 is pretty, however it is terrible chopped down feature wise and doesn't fit Ubuntu and Unity at all (super-menu and no menubar, hence no appmenu = no HUD, light toolbar (and all other apps have dark ones). *We could probably hack around and push the popup menu content to the HUD if that's the only issue, the problem is that it's not the only change so far (the drop of the menu means we have no desktop menu on empty desktops at the moment, they dropped compact view, treeview sidepanel, the lack of menubar looks weird in unity, etc)* Again, bang on the money. Whilst nautilus 3.6 works for Gnome it just can't quite cut it for Unity. Nemo is the new kid on the block and that's pretty much all that's known about it. *it's basically a fork of nautilus 3.4 no?* Yes, Nemo is Nautilus 3.4 fork from the Mint guys. However Mint and Ubuntu have very different design ideas and in mind, hence I think that Nemo is not the solution here. Marlin is the prettiest file manager there is out there, however it does lack stability (and maybe a features - MAYBE) and *needs **a lot* manpower. *The elementary guys worked on top of marlin for this own file manager as well: https://launchpad.net/pantheon-files* Yeah, there is also Pantheon-Files, but knowing the elementary guys Marlin will be much more open for contributions and ubuntui-zing. Elementary and Ubuntu have two different HIGs and there will be design issues poping out with Pantheon files. This one is a prime example: Unity needs menubar = appmenu = HUD. Elementary apps depend on cog-menu button on the right, hence they are likely to not allow pantheon-files to have a menubar, even if it is optional. Marlin dev on the other hand (am-monkeyd) should be more open to Ubuntu contributions to Marlin, through I can't guarantee that 100%. The reason why I started this talk is because there file manager issue is becoming more and more problematic as the time goes by and a decision must be taken sooner or later :) ... preferably sooner :P -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Unity-design] What do we do with the file manager?
Hello, The missing (and removed, not just hidden) features in the new Nautilus that Ubuntu has imho to patch : - Extra Pane Mode (F3) - Status bar : for me it is absolutely necessary and useful to know in just one second number of elements in a folder and free space available, without having to do Properties on context menu. And the free space is no more visible on the floating bar. - Tree view : I use it a lot, as I have a very hierarchical organization of folders, with many sub-folders. And I need to see the tree to move files to another folder with drag and drop directly. - Some icons (Up, address bar location...). - Global menu : problem with HUD, global user experience (all applications have the menu in the top left), bookmarks no more available here : as I put sometimes tree view, I also need a very quick access to bookmarks. I do not use the defaults Images, Documents... places as I organize my files by activity (Personal, Work, Friends...), not by type, so I've a lot of bookmarks which need quick and common access. - I also discovered another necessary missing detail : dev' removed the hour in the date, both in the list view and in the window which opens when I copy files, in case of 2 documents have the same name !!! Now if the 2 documents have been saved on the same day but not the same hour, I do not know which is the more recent, which I should keep or replace. I do lots of copy between computers (with USB), folders, I don't use the cloud and synchronization for everywhere, just for backups, now I'm not able anymore to do simple file copies... It's perhaps not the good way to use computer, but it's mine. And there is no a make code simple reason for this... I didn't find, for the moment, the possibility, on the config files or so (dconf), to add back the hour (hh:mm) in date :( I understand the aim of Gnome developers to have clean code, easy-to-use program, but here in Quantal Nautilus is no more a full file manager, it's a pity. OK, way to use computer is different, with Zeitgeist and Unity Dash / Lenses for example in many cases a file manager is no more essential, but in many others it's useful, and I'm accustomed to it, like many users. So as alternative there is Marlin (now Pantheon), but it has not all the functions and nice look Nautilus had until last version, too. Nemo, the Linux Mint fork ? It depends what they aim to do. For the moment, it's Nautilus 3.4.2 with also some missing features, mainly due to the change of name and lack of configuration. For example, what does not work in Nemo : - No Compress command for archiving with File Roller in the context menu - No option like nautilus-actions as open-terminal in a specific folder - No green or blue icon under the folder icon in Ubuntu One or Dropbox to indicate state of synchronization I hope Ubuntu will make a good choice on this, as a complete file manager is still needed. Best regards, Xavier On 09-08-12 13:36, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Nautilus 3.4 is the safest bet out there (feature and stability wise), however it has that horrid chopped down right sided toolbar and the back and forward on the right and neither of those two are even remotely good looking. It would be easy enough to tweak it, but staying on an old unmaintained version of nautilus is not a solution going forward. Nautilus 3.6 is pretty, however it is terrible chopped down feature wise and doesn't fit Ubuntu and Unity at all (super-menu and no menubar, hence no appmenu = no HUD, light toolbar (and all other apps have dark ones). We could probably hack around and push the popup menu content to the HUD if that's the only issue, the problem is that it's not the only change so far (the drop of the menu means we have no desktop menu on empty desktops at the moment, they dropped compact view, treeview sidepanel, the lack of menubar looks weird in unity, etc) Nemo is the new kid on the block and that's pretty much all that's known about it. it's basically a fork of nautilus 3.4 no? Marlin is the prettiest file manager there is out there, however it does lack stability (and maybe a features - MAYBE) and *needs */a lot/ manpower. The elementary guys worked on top of marlin for this own file manager as well: https://launchpad.net/pantheon-files Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
