Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 03:19:33PM +0530, Vishnoo wrote: > On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 00:21 -0600, Richard JOHNSON wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 01:45:53AM -0500, Alain-Olivier Breysse wrote: > > > Bonjour, > > > > > > > > > The motivation of your decision is already being talked about around the > > > net in many different languages, and because it is the net, will continue > > > to > > > do so. > > > > Good, more publicity, seeing as 95% of the places I have read, the people > > commenting were all level headed, understood the deal, and realize they > > still have that wonderful thing called a choice. If you are so > > anti-Microsoft, then switch it to Google or whoever. > > > > I don't mean to be an ass, but beating a dead horse isn't going to scare > > Canonical into changing their decision. > > > > I been having a nagging worry regarding this recent change. > > I'v noticed several users in #ubuntu+1 complaining about the change and > mentioning that they have changed their search engines back to google. > Similar comments in various blogs mentioning the change. I am fairly certain Canonical knew there was going to be some complaining, and I feel it was expected personally. The thing that really got to me with this announcement, is those that I did expect to start a FUD campaign, or really bitch about it, didn't. They understood the situation and stayed level headed about it. I was impressed and it made me feel really good about this wonderful community we are a part of. > Since unfortunately Yahoo isnt really as good as google, I suspect even > more are switching quietly . > I'v tried to stick with yahoo for my searches and support the change , > but the results were not really as good/relevant/sufficient as google's. > > If more folks are going to switch back , Will it eventually turn out to > be more profitable? [not to doubt the deal-makers] > I really hope the Yahoo deal is *very* good to cover all the loss we > have from the user's switching and in turn more profitable for > Ubuntu/Canonical. I would assume that Canonical and Yahoo both thought about this and realized that people will jump ship right away back to Google or their preferred search engine. With new people trying Ubuntu every day, the chances of them not changing are more than likely better than that of us who are used to one provider or another. > Or is Canonical also entitled to revenue from Ubuntu google searches? > [which would make me feel less guilty for switching ;) ] I don't know if there still is to be honest, but I am almost positive there was one in the past. -- Name| Richard JOHNSON Title| Developer WWW| http://www.ubuntu.com Email| nixter...@ubuntu.com GnuPG| 3578 0981 A21D D662 2A96 7623 F4C1 838C D8C4 4738 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 00:21 -0600, Richard JOHNSON wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 01:45:53AM -0500, Alain-Olivier Breysse wrote: > > Bonjour, > > > > > > The motivation of your decision is already being talked about around the > > net in many different languages, and because it is the net, will continue to > > do so. > > Good, more publicity, seeing as 95% of the places I have read, the people > commenting were all level headed, understood the deal, and realize they > still have that wonderful thing called a choice. If you are so > anti-Microsoft, then switch it to Google or whoever. > > I don't mean to be an ass, but beating a dead horse isn't going to scare > Canonical into changing their decision. > I been having a nagging worry regarding this recent change. I'v noticed several users in #ubuntu+1 complaining about the change and mentioning that they have changed their search engines back to google. Similar comments in various blogs mentioning the change. Since unfortunately Yahoo isnt really as good as google, I suspect even more are switching quietly . I'v tried to stick with yahoo for my searches and support the change , but the results were not really as good/relevant/sufficient as google's. If more folks are going to switch back , Will it eventually turn out to be more profitable? [not to doubt the deal-makers] I really hope the Yahoo deal is *very* good to cover all the loss we have from the user's switching and in turn more profitable for Ubuntu/Canonical. Or is Canonical also entitled to revenue from Ubuntu google searches? [which would make me feel less guilty for switching ;) ] -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On 02/05/2010 01:16 PM, petr bug wrote: On 5 February 2010 16:53, David A. Cobb wrote: Above all, never never compromise the principle that the user is the one to say what her experience should look like -- no matter what marketing choices Canonical gets involved in. In principle, user is in charge of ~1 million settings. Obviously user cannot set everything, distro or upstream has to decide a defaults. Why is this one an exception? Yahoo does searching, Google does searching. Some people prefer one, some the other, many do not care. The setting can be altered anyway on the usual place (Edit, Preferences, quite discoverable). Canonical will supposedly get some money which means we will get some more/real features/fixes. Good point, especially when the user will never even be aware of the result of some settings (like of my gray-display problem). And, obviously, the user being in control is partly an illusion -- he can only get the results the program is in a situation to provide. We all still need the DWIM [Do What I Mean] interpreter. My thought about presenting an initial screen, telling the user she can select one, is still worth two cents. I'll file it as a bug, even if it ultimately gets a "WontFix." Working on the Mozilla programs, I see a lot of "WontFix." (I have a strong opinion on what version of GCC should be used. But other programmers do not, they often do not even know what version they are using. So I do not push anyone.) I'm with you on that! I want the front edge, and not the older ones -- but LSB seems to want an old one that I wind up keeping just to satisfy that dependency. -- David A. Cobb -- computing t-rex <>-- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 19:16 +0100, petr bug wrote: > On 5 February 2010 16:53, David A. Cobb wrote: > > > > Above all, never never compromise the principle that the user is the one to > > say what her experience should look like -- no matter what marketing choices > > Canonical gets involved in. > > In principle, user is in charge of ~1 million settings. Obviously user > cannot set everything, distro or upstream has to decide a defaults. > Why is this one an exception? Yahoo does searching, Google does > searching. Some people prefer one, some the other, many do not care. > The setting can be altered anyway on the usual place (Edit, > Preferences, quite discoverable). I agree with your point. To be totally clear, it's actually quite a bit easier to change your default search provider. It's a simple matter of pulling it from the drop down in the upper right of Firefox. Thanks. Cheers, rick -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On 5 February 2010 16:53, David A. Cobb wrote: > > Above all, never never compromise the principle that the user is the one to > say what her experience should look like -- no matter what marketing choices > Canonical gets involved in. In principle, user is in charge of ~1 million settings. Obviously user cannot set everything, distro or upstream has to decide a defaults. Why is this one an exception? Yahoo does searching, Google does searching. Some people prefer one, some the other, many do not care. The setting can be altered anyway on the usual place (Edit, Preferences, quite discoverable). Canonical will supposedly get some money which means we will get some more/real features/fixes. (I have a strong opinion on what version of GCC should be used. But other programmers do not, they often do not even know what version they are using. So I do not push anyone.) -- Petr -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
May I suggest, we could leave the choice entirely up to the user ( who, after all, is IN CHARGE ) by defaulting to a page like that in Epiphany Browser. "Welcome to Ubuntu." And, include on this page something like: "You can start browsing from a default search page. To do so, please choose: [ ] Google Search, [ ] Yahoo Search, [ ] Your personal home page []." With the JavaScript to set the default first page accordingly. If you want the user to only see this page once, just run the Script, with whatever default choice, from OnLoad. Above all, never never compromise the principle that the user is the one to say what her experience should look like -- no matter what marketing choices Canonical gets involved in. -- David A. Cobb -- computing t-rex <>-- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Rick Spencer wrote: > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 11:24 -0500, Martin Owens wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 12:03 -0800, Rick Spencer wrote: >> > All - >> > >> > I am writing to apprise you of two small but important changes coming to >> > Firefox in Lucid. I have asked the desktop team to start preparing >> > these changes to make them available in Lucid as soon as reasonably >> > possible. Probably on the order of weeks. >> >> I have a thought, does changing this default setting in Firefox break >> Mozilla's branding rules? I assume that the lawyers have gone over it >> already, but you know what Mozilla are like for trying to make sure that >> Firefox is exactly the same as the one their release. > Another good question. > > The answer is "no". I don't know if lawyers went over it, but as I said > in a previous response, we work with the Mozilla team, and this was > discussed with them, they were not surprised. We would not do something > to Firefox that would violate Mozilla's rules, and we for sure wouldn't > make a change like this without discussing with them first. > > In sum don't worry, all is fine with our relationship with Mozilla ;) One thing I think us English speakers are forgetting is that Mozilla has an active relationship with Yahoo as well and ships with Yahoo as default in some Asian countries. Corey -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
Hi, will you change the keyword.URL setting also, which is currently set to Google? It's used when you type random stuff into the address bar. Regards /Ernst On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 21:03, Rick Spencer wrote: > All - > > I am writing to apprise you of two small but important changes coming to > Firefox in Lucid. I have asked the desktop team to start preparing > these changes to make them available in Lucid as soon as reasonably > possible. Probably on the order of weeks. > > Change #1 > In Lucid, the default home page will respect the search provider > settings that you have set in the "Chrome". (The "Chrome" is Mozilla's > term for the little search box to the upper right, reachable by > control-K, for instance). For Lucid, this will definitely work for > switching between Google and Yahoo!, we don't yet know what other > providers will be in scope for Lucid. If a user has Google set as their > search provider,they will have exactly the experience they do today. If > they switch to Yahoo!, the default home page will switch to using a > Yahoo! search. If they switch back to Google, the default home page will > switch back to using the Google search, exactly like today. Searching > from Chrome will continue to work exactly as it does today. > > Change #2 > Change #2 is changing the default search provider in Firefox to Yahoo! > Note that this won't in any way effect the ability of a user to choose > and use the search provider of their choice. It's literally 2 easily > discoverable clicks to change this setting, a simple matter of switching > to that search provider in the chrome by clicking on the icon and > choosing the desired provider. Note also that Yahoo! does not share any > personally identifiable or usage information. > > Why? > I am pursuing this change because Canonical has negotiated a revenue > sharing deal with Yahoo! and this revenue will help Canonical to provide > developers and resources to continue the open development of Ubuntu and > the Ubuntu Platform. This change will help provide these resources as > well as continuing to respect our user's default search across Firefox. > > Cheers, Rick > > > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 12:03 -0800, Rick Spencer wrote: > All - > > I am writing to apprise you of two small but important changes coming to > Firefox in Lucid. I have asked the desktop team to start preparing > these changes to make them available in Lucid as soon as reasonably > possible. Probably on the order of weeks. I have a thought, does changing this default setting in Firefox break Mozilla's branding rules? I assume that the lawyers have gone over it already, but you know what Mozilla are like for trying to make sure that Firefox is exactly the same as the one their release. Martin, -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 11:24 -0500, Martin Owens wrote: > On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 12:03 -0800, Rick Spencer wrote: > > All - > > > > I am writing to apprise you of two small but important changes coming to > > Firefox in Lucid. I have asked the desktop team to start preparing > > these changes to make them available in Lucid as soon as reasonably > > possible. Probably on the order of weeks. > > I have a thought, does changing this default setting in Firefox break > Mozilla's branding rules? I assume that the lawyers have gone over it > already, but you know what Mozilla are like for trying to make sure that > Firefox is exactly the same as the one their release. Another good question. The answer is "no". I don't know if lawyers went over it, but as I said in a previous response, we work with the Mozilla team, and this was discussed with them, they were not surprised. We would not do something to Firefox that would violate Mozilla's rules, and we for sure wouldn't make a change like this without discussing with them first. In sum don't worry, all is fine with our relationship with Mozilla ;) Cheers, Rick -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
Hi all, Glad this Canonical is getting a search revenue stream, I just have a few concerns that I haven't seen discussed. Does Yahoo have an equivalent of I'm Feeling Lucky for the Firefox awesomebar or is google still going to be providing that? If you switch that functionality to just being a regular search box, that would be very annoying. Is the actual design of the start page going to be designed in the open? I'd like to see Canonical make money from the page and it be more useful for all users... Currently the Ubuntu Start page is less useful than the default google.com (easy access to other kinds of searches - image, map). I have several ideas for making it better, and I'm guessing others do as well. Thanks, Bryan On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:33 AM, Rick Spencer wrote: > All - > > I am writing to apprise you of two small but important changes coming to > Firefox in Lucid. I have asked the desktop team to start preparing > these changes to make them available in Lucid as soon as reasonably > possible. Probably on the order of weeks. > > Change #1 > In Lucid, the default home page will respect the search provider > settings that you have set in the "Chrome". (The "Chrome" is Mozilla's > term for the little search box to the upper right, reachable by > control-K, for instance). For Lucid, this will definitely work for > switching between Google and Yahoo!, we don't yet know what other > providers will be in scope for Lucid. If a user has Google set as their > search provider,they will have exactly the experience they do today. If > they switch to Yahoo!, the default home page will switch to using a > Yahoo! search. If they switch back to Google, the default home page will > switch back to using the Google search, exactly like today. Searching > from Chrome will continue to work exactly as it does today. > > Change #2 > Change #2 is changing the default search provider in Firefox to Yahoo! > Note that this won't in any way effect the ability of a user to choose > and use the search provider of their choice. It's literally 2 easily > discoverable clicks to change this setting, a simple matter of switching > to that search provider in the chrome by clicking on the icon and > choosing the desired provider. Note also that Yahoo! does not share any > personally identifiable or usage information. > > Why? > I am pursuing this change because Canonical has negotiated a revenue > sharing deal with Yahoo! and this revenue will help Canonical to provide > developers and resources to continue the open development of Ubuntu and > the Ubuntu Platform. This change will help provide these resources as > well as continuing to respect our user's default search across Firefox. > > Cheers, Rick > > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Rick Spencer wrote: > On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 15:14 -0500, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > > > Since Google is the current default, will the switch to Yahoo only > > have an effect on new installs? > No, this will effect upgrades if the computer is currently set to > Google. This is not because of anything special for this particular > change. This is because Ubuntu always changes to new defaults for users > who are on old defaults. > > However, if you are set to wikipedia as your search provider (for > example) then that means that you are no longer using the default, so > Ubuntu won't change you to the new default. > > HTH > > Cheers, Rick > > > > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel > During the upgrade, are users going to be notified about this change? --- Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Open Standards! Sent from Gainesville, FL, United States -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 21:00, Carlos Ribeiro wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 20:46, Rick Spencer wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 20:17 -0200, Carlos Ribeiro wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Given the sensitivity of this change for many people, I would ask you
>> > to consider keeping the current setting whatever it is (Google or
>> > not). People tend to be very passionate about such issues. Also, keep
>> > in mind that for many people, Google (still) is the official partner
>> > of the Mozilla Foundation. For those folks it MAY seem that Canonical
>> > is cutting Mozilla's revenue. While I am sure that this was not the
>> > intention, this is the way things are. I think Canonical should do a
>> > better effort to coordinate the communication of this change with the
>> > community to avoid bad rep.
>> >
>> Well, in terms of not changing to the new default, that would be a bit
>> of a departure for how Ubuntu handles changes to defaults, and I'm not
>> certain why this particular change would be special cased.
>>
>
> Let's say that for some people, choosing the search provider is a kind of
> political statement. For some it's Google ("don't be evil"), for others is
> something else (because Google *is* evil in their opinion or whatever). I
> may be a little over the edge with my concern though. Let's see what other
> folks say.
>
Oops. Forgot to say that this change isn't being done for technical,
security or aesthethical reasons; it's being done for marketing reasons. By
changing the default (of a existing & running instalation) you are asking
your users to accept whatever deal Canonical has made. Even if for me it
doesn't make any difference, I think this is a strong enough reason to
proceed with care.
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Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 19:08, Rick Spencer wrote: > On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 15:14 -0500, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > > > Since Google is the current default, will the switch to Yahoo only > > have an effect on new installs? > No, this will effect upgrades if the computer is currently set to > Google. This is not because of anything special for this particular > change. This is because Ubuntu always changes to new defaults for users > who are on old defaults. > > However, if you are set to wikipedia as your search provider (for > example) then that means that you are no longer using the default, so > Ubuntu won't change you to the new default. > Given the sensitivity of this change for many people, I would ask you to consider keeping the current setting whatever it is (Google or not). People tend to be very passionate about such issues. Also, keep in mind that for many people, Google (still) is the official partner of the Mozilla Foundation. For those folks it MAY seem that Canonical is cutting Mozilla's revenue. While I am sure that this was not the intention, this is the way things are. I think Canonical should do a better effort to coordinate the communication of this change with the community to avoid bad rep. -- Carlos Ribeiro Consultoria em Projetos twitter: http://twitter.com/carribeiro blog: http://rascunhosrotos.blogspot.com mail: carribe...@gmail.com -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 20:46, Rick Spencer wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 20:17 -0200, Carlos Ribeiro wrote:
>
> >
> > Given the sensitivity of this change for many people, I would ask you
> > to consider keeping the current setting whatever it is (Google or
> > not). People tend to be very passionate about such issues. Also, keep
> > in mind that for many people, Google (still) is the official partner
> > of the Mozilla Foundation. For those folks it MAY seem that Canonical
> > is cutting Mozilla's revenue. While I am sure that this was not the
> > intention, this is the way things are. I think Canonical should do a
> > better effort to coordinate the communication of this change with the
> > community to avoid bad rep.
> >
> Well, in terms of not changing to the new default, that would be a bit
> of a departure for how Ubuntu handles changes to defaults, and I'm not
> certain why this particular change would be special cased.
>
Let's say that for some people, choosing the search provider is a kind of
political statement. For some it's Google ("don't be evil"), for others is
something else (because Google *is* evil in their opinion or whatever). I
may be a little over the edge with my concern though. Let's see what other
folks say.
--
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Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Di, Jan 26, 2010 at 21:03:01 (CET), Rick Spencer wrote: > Change #2 > Change #2 is changing the default search provider in Firefox to Yahoo! Can this default be configured on a system wide level? I imagine that sites with mass deployments of lucid would want to have the option to configure this, e.g., via debconf preseeding. -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
It's a little diferent of the Microsoft changing the Firefox default search engine but don't you think the users will complain the same way? I really think that users should be. at least, notified during update. ··~Ricardo Cacheta Waldemarin ⠠⠵ Graduando em Informática Biomédica USP-RP~·· Sent from Ribeirao Preto, SP, Brazil On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:27, Rick Spencer wrote: > On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 15:00 +0530, Vishnoo wrote: > > > > > Users are redirected to > > > http://in.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/dc/system_requirements?os=unsupported > > > > This happens *every* time one tries to login.[attaching screenshot] > > > > If we are considering moving Ubuntu to Yahoo! search as default. > > Atleast their sites could be tested in Ubuntu OS. Or are we still an OS > > that isnt supported by Yahoo! ;) > > > > Is an awkward moment when we introduce new users to Ubuntu and we get > > such warnings. > > > > BTW ,the Yahoo!Mail does work well if the user selects Continue > > anyway. :) > Vishnoo, > > Thanks for the heads up. I've asked a couple of folks here to help me > get this fixed. I'll keep you posted. > > Cheers, Rick > > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 15:00 +0530, Vishnoo wrote: > > Users are redirected to > > http://in.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/dc/system_requirements?os=unsupported > > This happens *every* time one tries to login.[attaching screenshot] > > If we are considering moving Ubuntu to Yahoo! search as default. > Atleast their sites could be tested in Ubuntu OS. Or are we still an OS > that isnt supported by Yahoo! ;) > > Is an awkward moment when we introduce new users to Ubuntu and we get > such warnings. > > BTW ,the Yahoo!Mail does work well if the user selects Continue > anyway. :) Vishnoo, Thanks for the heads up. I've asked a couple of folks here to help me get this fixed. I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Rick -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 12:03 -0800, Rick Spencer wrote: > All - > > Why? > I am pursuing this change because Canonical has negotiated a revenue > sharing deal with Yahoo! and this revenue will help Canonical to provide > developers and resources to continue the open development of Ubuntu and > the Ubuntu Platform. This change will help provide these resources as > well as continuing to respect our user's default search across Firefox. > > Cheers, Rick Good that we bring more revenue to Ubuntu and its development. Now that we are partnering/negotiated with Yahoo! , we should ask them to remove the warning of Unsupported OS for users trying to connect to Yahoo!Mail. Users are redirected to > http://in.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/dc/system_requirements?os=unsupported This happens *every* time one tries to login.[attaching screenshot] If we are considering moving Ubuntu to Yahoo! search as default. Atleast their sites could be tested in Ubuntu OS. Or are we still an OS that isnt supported by Yahoo! ;) Is an awkward moment when we introduce new users to Ubuntu and we get such warnings. BTW ,the Yahoo!Mail does work well if the user selects Continue anyway. :) -- Cheers, Vish <>-- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
Reinhard Tartler [2010-01-27 7:30 +0100]: > Can this default be configured on a system wide level? I imagine that > sites with mass deployments of lucid would want to have the option to > configure this, e.g., via debconf preseeding. I expect that could just go into /etc/firefox/pref/firefox.js ? Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 21:03 -0200, Carlos Ribeiro wrote: > > Oops. Forgot to say that this change isn't being done for technical, > security or aesthethical reasons; it's being done for marketing > reasons. By changing the default (of a existing & running instalation) > you are asking your users to accept whatever deal Canonical has made. > Even if for me it doesn't make any difference, I think this is a > strong enough reason to proceed with care. Well, I would say "financial" reasons rather than "marketing" reasons, but, of course, I understand your point. Note that we are not in any way restricting users' choice. Users are totally free to choose their search provider, and it is very easy to change. In the meantime, support for Ubuntu is a *good thing*. So, agreed, we should listen to reasonable and informed feedback, and I firmly intend to. Cheers, Rick -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 20:17 -0200, Carlos Ribeiro wrote: > > Given the sensitivity of this change for many people, I would ask you > to consider keeping the current setting whatever it is (Google or > not). People tend to be very passionate about such issues. Also, keep > in mind that for many people, Google (still) is the official partner > of the Mozilla Foundation. For those folks it MAY seem that Canonical > is cutting Mozilla's revenue. While I am sure that this was not the > intention, this is the way things are. I think Canonical should do a > better effort to coordinate the communication of this change with the > community to avoid bad rep. > Well, in terms of not changing to the new default, that would be a bit of a departure for how Ubuntu handles changes to defaults, and I'm not certain why this particular change would be special cased. In terms of Mozilla, and cutting into their revenue stream, Mozilla has been a really good partner to Ubuntu, definitely firmly in the "good guy" camp as far as I am concerned with regard to Linux and FOSS. We would certainly want to do anything to damage this relationship. Suffice to say that Mozilla was not surprised by this change, and I am confident that we will continue to have a good relationship. Cheers, Rick -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 17:36 -0500, Dan Trevino wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Rick Spencer > wrote: > On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 15:14 -0500, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > > > Since Google is the current default, will the switch to > Yahoo only > > have an effect on new installs? > > No, this will effect upgrades if the computer is currently set > to > Google. This is not because of anything special for this > particular > change. This is because Ubuntu always changes to new defaults > for users > who are on old defaults. > > However, if you are set to wikipedia as your search provider > (for > example) then that means that you are no longer using the > default, so > Ubuntu won't change you to the new default. > > HTH > > Cheers, Rick > > > During the upgrade, are users going to be notified about this change? Outside of release notes, probably not. I don't think it will be much different than other times that defaults are changed in Ubuntu. Cheers, Rick -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 15:14 -0500, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > Since Google is the current default, will the switch to Yahoo only > have an effect on new installs? No, this will effect upgrades if the computer is currently set to Google. This is not because of anything special for this particular change. This is because Ubuntu always changes to new defaults for users who are on old defaults. However, if you are set to wikipedia as your search provider (for example) then that means that you are no longer using the default, so Ubuntu won't change you to the new default. HTH Cheers, Rick -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Rick Spencer wrote: > Why? > I am pursuing this change because Canonical has negotiated a revenue > sharing deal with Yahoo! and this revenue will help Canonical to provide > developers and resources to continue the open development of Ubuntu and > the Ubuntu Platform. This change will help provide these resources as > well as continuing to respect our user's default search across Firefox. Since Google is the current default, will the switch to Yahoo only have an effect on new installs? -- Celeste Lyn Paul KDE Usability Project KDE e.V. Board of Directors www.kde.org -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider
All - I am writing to apprise you of two small but important changes coming to Firefox in Lucid. I have asked the desktop team to start preparing these changes to make them available in Lucid as soon as reasonably possible. Probably on the order of weeks. Change #1 In Lucid, the default home page will respect the search provider settings that you have set in the "Chrome". (The "Chrome" is Mozilla's term for the little search box to the upper right, reachable by control-K, for instance). For Lucid, this will definitely work for switching between Google and Yahoo!, we don't yet know what other providers will be in scope for Lucid. If a user has Google set as their search provider,they will have exactly the experience they do today. If they switch to Yahoo!, the default home page will switch to using a Yahoo! search. If they switch back to Google, the default home page will switch back to using the Google search, exactly like today. Searching from Chrome will continue to work exactly as it does today. Change #2 Change #2 is changing the default search provider in Firefox to Yahoo! Note that this won't in any way effect the ability of a user to choose and use the search provider of their choice. It's literally 2 easily discoverable clicks to change this setting, a simple matter of switching to that search provider in the chrome by clicking on the icon and choosing the desired provider. Note also that Yahoo! does not share any personally identifiable or usage information. Why? I am pursuing this change because Canonical has negotiated a revenue sharing deal with Yahoo! and this revenue will help Canonical to provide developers and resources to continue the open development of Ubuntu and the Ubuntu Platform. This change will help provide these resources as well as continuing to respect our user's default search across Firefox. Cheers, Rick -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
