Re: ARM 3D support was Re: [fedora-arm] ARM summit at Plumbers 2011

2011-08-23 Thread Gordan Bobic 

On 08/23/2011 07:01 PM, omall...@msu.edu wrote:

Quoting Gordan Bobic :

Unfortunately there is no way I could make it, but on the subject of 3D
support on ARM, Luke recently mentioned something that initially seemed
outlandish but upon closer examination doesn't seem like a bad idea. As
we all know, the state of openness of specifications of commonly used
ARM 3D GPUs is at best dire. What has been proposed is a bit radical,
but it doesn't actually seem that implausible. Specifically, combining
Open Graphics Project (http://wiki.opengraphics.org/tiki-index.php) and
the xilinx zynq-7000 or similar (dual core Cortex A9 + FPGA). The idea
is to have an OGP GPU in firmware in FPGA. In terms of the power budget,
it seems to work relatively sanely considering what it is, and it is as
ideal as it gets as far as openness and flexibility goes.

I just thought it's worthy of a mention.


It does seem outlandish, but it is kind of cool. Is it going to give
enough 3d speed? The next gen tegra is supposed to have a 24 core GPU.


If you can quantify what "enough 3D speed" means, then perhaps that can 
be assessed. There really aren't many applications around at the moment 
to make this an issue. I'd be more interested in it's ability to decode 
1080p.


Then again - it's FPGA! You can load a different "firmware" depending on 
whether you need 1080p decoding or 3D rendering, or some other kind of 
specialized DSP offload with only bare minimal VGA. :)


Personally, I think OGP would be worth it even if just for the fact that 
we would no longer have to beg (in vain) the vendors for decent drivers 
or published specs. The added flexibility on top is just a "free extra". :)


Gordan

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Patch Pilot Report 11-08-21

2011-08-23 Thread Sebastien Bacher 
Hi,

Those are the notes of the sponsoring I did yesterday

* Bug #771114: gnubik version 2.3-2 failed to build on amd64 with
GCC-4.6/oneiric
the fix looks good and has been sent to debian for some weeks, sponsored

* Bug #829819: Spelling Errors in Control file
typo in the control description for a package in sync with Debian, asked
the submitter to submit the patch to Debian if possible so we stay on
sync

* lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/ifupdown/oneiric-201108091411
seems like a commit dropped by error, pinged Colin who did the upload
that dropped it to confirm it should be added back

*
lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/python-defaults/oneiric-201107292209
deleted, the change commited to the vcs was dropped but is not required
with the python2.6 update

* lp:~wibblymat/ubuntu/oneiric/ettercap/merge-debian-0.7.3-2.2
build fix for the next grep version but it fails to build due to what
looks like -as-needed error, set it as Work in progress

* lp:~om26er/ubuntu/natty/unity/unity-fix-769703-3
sponsored sru to backport a fix for dnd in qt applications blocking the
unity launcher

* lp:~scarneiro/ubuntu/oneiric/vdkbuilder2/fix-for-756079
no change rebuild to close a ftbfs issue, cleaned no upload is required
there

* 825070: please remove glade-3 from the oneiric archives
commented, it seems the source is still required for its gtk2 library

* 825063: Please remove python-pybabel from the oneiric archives
confirmed

* lp:~evfool/update-notifier/fixwording
pinged mvo about it

* lp:~wibblymat/ubuntu/oneiric/couchdb/update-to-1.1.0
couchdb update to 1.1.0, set to work in progress since Daniel already
pointed some issues on the bug and that it would require a ffe before
being updated (as well as some mir due to new build-depends)

* lp:~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/oneiric/upstart/fixes-for-user-sessions
set to merge, the work got uploaded a while back, the upstart vcs is
outdated of 2 revisions though, pointed that to mvo and slangasek who
did the upload and the most recent vcs commits

* lp:~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/oneiric/accountsservice/fix-810907
sponsored


Cheers,
Sebastien Bacher



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Re: [fedora-arm] ARM summit at Plumbers 2011

2011-08-23 Thread Gordan Bobic 
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:11:34 +0100, Steve McIntyre 
 wrote:

On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 07:15:34PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Hi folks,

Following on from the founding of the cross-distro ARM mailing list,
I'd like to propose an ARM summit at this year's Linux Plumbers
conference [1]. I'm hoping for a slot on Thursday evening, but this
remains to be confirmed at this point.

We had some lively discussion about the state of ARM Linux distros at
the Linaro Connect [2] event in Cambridge last week. It rapidly 
became

clear that some of the topics we discussed deserve a wider audience,
so we're suggesting a meetup at Plumbers for that bigger
discussion. The initial proposed agenda is:

* ARM hard-float
  + What is it and why does it matter?
  + How can distributions keep compatible (i.e. gcc triplet to
describe the port)?

* Adding support for ARM as an architecture to the Linux Standard
  Base (LSB)
  + Does it matter?
  + What's needed?

* FHS - multi-arch coming soon, how do we proceed?

* 3D support on ARM platforms
  + Open GL vs. GLES - which is appropriate?

but I'm sure that other people will think of more issues they'd like
to discuss. :-)

If you wish to attend, please reply to the cross-distro list and let
us know to expect you. Make sure you're registered to attend Plumbers
Conf, and get your travel and accommodation organised ASAP.

[1] http://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/2011/
[2] http://connect.linaro.org/


UPDATE: we've not had many people confirm interest in this event yet,
which is a shame. If you would like to join us for this session,
please reply and let me know. If we don't get enough interest by the
end of Sunday (28th August), then we'll have to cancel the meeting.


Unfortunately there is no way I could make it, but on the subject of 3D 
support on ARM, Luke recently mentioned something that initially seemed 
outlandish but upon closer examination doesn't seem like a bad idea. As 
we all know, the state of openness of specifications of commonly used 
ARM 3D GPUs is at best dire. What has been proposed is a bit radical, 
but it doesn't actually seem that implausible. Specifically, combining 
Open Graphics Project (http://wiki.opengraphics.org/tiki-index.php) and 
the xilinx zynq-7000 or similar (dual core Cortex A9 + FPGA). The idea 
is to have an OGP GPU in firmware in FPGA. In terms of the power budget, 
it seems to work relatively sanely considering what it is, and it is as 
ideal as it gets as far as openness and flexibility goes.


I just thought it's worthy of a mention.

Gordan

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Re: ARM summit at Plumbers 2011

2011-08-23 Thread Steve McIntyre 
On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 07:15:34PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>Following on from the founding of the cross-distro ARM mailing list,
>I'd like to propose an ARM summit at this year's Linux Plumbers
>conference [1]. I'm hoping for a slot on Thursday evening, but this
>remains to be confirmed at this point.
>
>We had some lively discussion about the state of ARM Linux distros at
>the Linaro Connect [2] event in Cambridge last week. It rapidly became
>clear that some of the topics we discussed deserve a wider audience,
>so we're suggesting a meetup at Plumbers for that bigger
>discussion. The initial proposed agenda is:
>
> * ARM hard-float
>   + What is it and why does it matter?
>   + How can distributions keep compatible (i.e. gcc triplet to
> describe the port)?
>
> * Adding support for ARM as an architecture to the Linux Standard
>   Base (LSB)
>   + Does it matter?
>   + What's needed?
>
> * FHS - multi-arch coming soon, how do we proceed?
>
> * 3D support on ARM platforms
>   + Open GL vs. GLES - which is appropriate?
>
>but I'm sure that other people will think of more issues they'd like
>to discuss. :-)
>
>If you wish to attend, please reply to the cross-distro list and let
>us know to expect you. Make sure you're registered to attend Plumbers
>Conf, and get your travel and accommodation organised ASAP.
>
>[1] http://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/2011/
>[2] http://connect.linaro.org/

UPDATE: we've not had many people confirm interest in this event yet,
which is a shame. If you would like to join us for this session,
please reply and let me know. If we don't get enough interest by the
end of Sunday (28th August), then we'll have to cancel the meeting.

Cheers,
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ARM 3D support was Re: [fedora-arm] ARM summit at Plumbers 2011

2011-08-23 Thread omalleys 

Quoting Gordan Bobic :

 Unfortunately there is no way I could make it, but on the subject of 3D
 support on ARM, Luke recently mentioned something that initially seemed
 outlandish but upon closer examination doesn't seem like a bad idea. As
 we all know, the state of openness of specifications of commonly used
 ARM 3D GPUs is at best dire. What has been proposed is a bit radical,
 but it doesn't actually seem that implausible. Specifically, combining
 Open Graphics Project (http://wiki.opengraphics.org/tiki-index.php) and
 the xilinx zynq-7000 or similar (dual core Cortex A9 + FPGA). The idea
 is to have an OGP GPU in firmware in FPGA. In terms of the power budget,
 it seems to work relatively sanely considering what it is, and it is as
 ideal as it gets as far as openness and flexibility goes.

 I just thought it's worthy of a mention.


It does seem outlandish, but it is kind of cool. Is it going to give  
enough 3d speed? The next gen tegra is supposed to have a 24 core GPU.


It is probably more sane then my idea of just having a test suite from  
digital video out -> digital video receiver/capture card to get known  
test results. Then you could set up a hinted genetic algorithm based  
on a comparison. It would only work with digital video signals though.







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Re: Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting Minutes - 2011-08-23

2011-08-23 Thread Christian Robottom Reis 
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:29:11AM -0700, Brad Figg wrote:
> === ARM Status  ===
> For every arm flavour but natty/ti-omap4 an update should be on its
> way out. Mainly the updated kernels contain CVEs fixes.
> Oneiric/ti-omap4: work continues on lp709245, found a patchset that
> should enable localtimers even in the nosmp case but it doesn't work
> out of the box, i'm debugging it ATM.

Let me know if you want more attention to be paid to this bug, though I
know that Andy still has this on his list of bugs to look at.
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Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting Minutes - 2011-08-23

2011-08-23 Thread Brad Figg 

= Meeting Minutes =
[[http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/23/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt|IRC Log of the 
meeting.]]
<>
[[http://voices.canonical.com/kernelteam|Meeting minutes.]]

== Agenda ==
[[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting#Tues, 23 Aug, 2011|20110823 
Meeting Agenda]]

=== ARM Status  ===
For every arm flavour but natty/ti-omap4 an update should be on its way out. 
Mainly the updated kernels contain CVEs fixes.
Oneiric/ti-omap4: work continues on lp709245, found a patchset that should 
enable localtimers even in the nosmp case but it doesn't work out of the box, 
i'm debugging it ATM.

=== Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs  ===
 oneiric nominated bugs 
 * 32 linux kernel bugs (up 12)
 Ubuntu ubuntu-11.10-beta-1 bugs 
 * 2 linux kernel bugs (up 2)
 -updates bugs 
 * 0 oneiric linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
 * 18 natty linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
 * 3 maverick linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
 * 7 lucid linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
 * 0 hardy linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
=== Incoming Bugs ===
 * 132 oneiric bugs (up 16)
 * 1531 natty bugs (up 20)
 * 1091 maverick bugs (no change 0)
 * 957 lucid bugs (up 3)
 * 33 hardy bugs (no change 0)
=== Regressions ===
 regression-update bugs 
 * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0)
 * 14 natty bugs (up 1)
 * 40 maverick bugs (no change 0)
 * 77 lucid bugs (down 1)
 * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)
 regression-release bugs 
 * 6 oneiric bugs (up 3)
 * 435 natty bugs (down 4)
 * 238 maverick bugs (no change 0)
 * 216 lucid bugs (up 1)
 * 2 hardy bugs (no change 0)
 regression-proposed bugs 
 * 1 oneiric bugs (no change 0)
 * 3 natty bugs (no change 0)
 * 1 maverick bugs (no change 0)
 * 1 lucid bugs (no change 0)
 * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)

===  Milestone Targeted Work Items ===
|| apw   || other-kernel-o-bug-handling || 2 work items||
||   || other-kernel-o-version-and-flavours || 1 work item ||
||   || desktop-o-xorg-stakeholders-request || 2 work item ||
|| jjohansen || other-kernel-o-server-requirements  || 1 work item ||
|| ogasawara || other-kernel-o-config-review|| 2 work items||
|| ppisati   || other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review  || 1 work item ||

=== Status: General Oneiric  ===
We've been uploading some last minute bug fixes prior to the Beta Freeze on Thurs.  We uploaded the 3.0.0-9.13 Ubuntu kernel yesterday to fix a WARNING due to duplicate backlight registration, see LP 831542.  We've just now uploaded the 3.0.0-9.14 kernel 
to make sure ECRYPT_FS=y, see LP 827197.  We intend for this to be the last upload prior to Beta Freeze and the 3.0.0-9.14 kernel will be the kernel that will ship with the Beta-1 release.

 * [[https://launchpad.net/bugs/831542|Launchpad bug 831542 in linux (Ubuntu) 
"WARNING: cannot create duplicate filename intel_backlight" [Low,Fix released] 
]]
 * [[https://launchpad.net/bugs/827197|Launchpad bug 827197 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) 
"/usr/bin/ecryptfs-setup-private fails with exit status 1 during install - User's 
home directory not encrypted" [High,Fix released] ]]
<>
<>
Also, some important dates to keep in mind are as follows:
 * Sept 1 - Beta 1 (~1 weeks)
 * Sept 15 - Kernel Freeze (~3 weeks)
 * Sept 22 - Beta 2 (~4 weeks)
<>
<>
We'll continue pull in bug fixes and follow upstream stable v3.0.x as we move 
towards release.  I'd also like to note that the P-series git repo was recently 
rebased it to v3.1-rc3.  It's available at 
git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-p.git master-next .

=== Status: CVE's  ===
Currently open CVEs for each supported branch:
<>
<>
|| Package  || Open  ||
||  ||   ||
|| linux Hardy  ||7 (--) ||
|| linux Lucid  ||4 (+1) ||
|| linux Maverick   ||4 (+1) ||
|| linux Natty  ||4 (+1) ||
|| linux Oneiric||2 (--) ||
|| linux-ec2 Lucid  ||4 (+1) ||
|| linux-fsl-imx51 Lucid||4 (+1) ||
|| linux-mvl-dove Lucid ||4 (+1) ||
|| linux-mvl-dove Maverick  ||4 (+1) ||
|| linux-ti-omap4 Maverick  ||4 (+1) ||
|| linux-ti-omap4 Natty ||4 (+1) ||
|| linux-ti-omap4 Oneiric   ||3 (+1) ||
|| linux-lts-backport-maverick Lucid||4 (+1) ||
|| linux-lts-backport-natty Lucid   ||4 (+1) ||
<>
<>
With the regressions on the master branches resolving we have now pulled the 
depenadant branches up to date pulling some 78 CVE fixes into those branches.  
We have had a new CVE added since last week.

=== Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - 
Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy ===
== Status of kernels ==

Fw: Reminder: 11.10 Beta Freeze and User Interface Freeze this Thursday

2011-08-23 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:03:39 -0500
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Subject: Reminder:  11.10 Beta Freeze and User Interface Freeze this
Thursday


Dear Developers,
Just a reminder that we'll be entering User Interface Freeze[1] as
well as Beta Freeze[2] this Thursday (August 25th)[3] at 21OO UTC.  

   The user interface must be stabilized so that documentation writers
and translators can work on a fixed target that doesn't obsolete
screenshots or documentation. 

   Beta Freeze is necessary so we can stabilize the archive and the
archive administrators can get the inconsistencies resolved. 

   Thank you for your cooperation on getting those bug fixes for beta
and last user interface tweaks made before this Thursday.

Kate,
on behalf of the Ubuntu Release Team.

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze
[2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetaFreeze
[3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule




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Re: Xubuntu Top 10 FAQ feedback

2011-08-23 Thread Bruno Benitez 
Done a few of the recomendations

but given that my native language is not english i can't really proof read
it, so i will have to ask you people to check it.


oh, thank you very much for your help

2011/8/23 Charlie Kravetz 

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Re: Xubuntu Top 10 FAQ feedback

2011-08-23 Thread Charlie Kravetz 
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:28:59 +0300
Pasi Lallinaho  wrote:

> The comments in this mail refer to
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?pli=1
> 
> #1
> Say something about pulseaudio. Maybe offer purging pulseaudio as a last
> resort.
> 
> #2
> Do we "support" Compiz on Xubuntu? Make a note if we don't. This is
> still maybe one of the most low-priority stuff in the list, so even if
> it's the second most common, move it to the bottom.

yes, we do, and if this is the most asked question, this belongs near
the top of the list. 

> 
> #5
> Also tell how the user can get his panels back, in the same question or
> other.

Definitely should tell the user this.

> 
> #6
> Users *can* edit menus in pre-Natty, they just must do it manually.
> Point to a tutorial to do this, because some people just wants to do it,
> whatever it takes.

something like:

1. [for 4.6] copy '/etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu to
'~/.config/xdg/menus' and customize it. 

2. [for 4.6] You can also
create desktop entries in '~/.local/share/applications' to override the
existing applications (change or hide) or add new ones. 

3. [for 4.6] http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu

4. For Xfce 4.8, 'sudo apt-get install alacarte --no-install-recommends'
in a terminal will let you use an editor to change the menus.

> 
> +
> Howto on installing additional drivers would be nice, even if it's not
> objectively in the top 10.
> Point people to Software Center or Synaptic and tell them they can
> install their favourite app there.
> I remember seeing lots of questions about burning discs. Should we
> mention something about xfburn?

xfburn is not the default burner in all releases

> We don't have to call it "Top 10", if people don't have as many as 10
> common problems with Xubuntu.
> Proof-read, triple check package names and once again, proof-read.
> 
> Cheers,
> Pasi
> 


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Reminder: 11.10 Beta Freeze and User Interface Freeze this Thursday

2011-08-23 Thread Kate Stewart 
Dear Developers,
Just a reminder that we'll be entering User Interface Freeze[1] as
well as Beta Freeze[2] this Thursday (August 25th)[3] at 21OO UTC.  

   The user interface must be stabilized so that documentation writers
and translators can work on a fixed target that doesn't obsolete
screenshots or documentation. 

   Beta Freeze is necessary so we can stabilize the archive and the
archive administrators can get the inconsistencies resolved. 

   Thank you for your cooperation on getting those bug fixes for beta
and last user interface tweaks made before this Thursday.

Kate,
on behalf of the Ubuntu Release Team.

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze
[2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetaFreeze
[3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule




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Server Team 20110816 meeting minutes

2011-08-23 Thread Serge E. Hallyn 
Meeting notes with full irc log can be found at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20110816.

Agenda

Review ACTION points from previous meeting
sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation (continued x 3)
smb and utlemming to look at Bug #791850
Daviey and adam_g to address Bug #791850 
Oneiric Development
Ubuntu Server Team Events

Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)

Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)

Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander)

Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
Open Discussion
Announce next meeting date and time 

Minutes

Review ACTION points from previous meeting

As Somer has sadly announced he does not have sufficient time to continue his 
excellent work on the docs, kim0 is going to help us by working to create a new 
community around documentation.

Regarding oneiric images not booting on hvm instances, smb had a test image 
fixing that problem.

Oneiric Development

With everyone sprinting the previous week, our bug list had grown again. Both 
the triage report and server release bug lists needed work. Daviey said that 
feature freeze exceptions need to be raised for every feature not yet landed.

Ubuntu Server Team Events

lynxman and company are sprinting next week for openstack and orchestra. 
Linuxcon is this week.

Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)

smb was wondering whether the rename of xvd to sd patch should be reverted on 
maverick as well. smoser was not comfortable with that, they will discuss 
further.

Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)

hggdh asked, (1) "are there any new tests we should run on the ISO tracker?" 
and (2) "what is the status of openstack & companions?". Daviey said we need 
more tests, and hopefully Jamespage will be able to help with that soon. 
Jamespage started a list of openstack testing at 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Oneiric/OpenStackTestPlan.

Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community

Daviey asked anyone in the community interested in helping to make Ubuntu 
server rock even more to ping him.

Meeting Actions

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, August 23d at 16:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting. 

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FFe for build-system changes

2011-08-23 Thread Stefano Rivera 
Hi,

The release team would like to see build-system changes (e.g. dh_python2
transitions) go through the Freeze Exception process. They are are
changes that can easily introduce bugs without causing an obvious build
failure, and it's a good idea to have them looked over by a second set
of eyes. [0]

In the case of dh_python2 transitions, a motivation for the transition
isn't necessary (it's a release goal), but we'd like to get a chance to
preview the changes. As usual, please attach: a debdiff, a buildlog, and
debc output.

Thanks,

SR

[0]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-August/000328.html

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