Weird stuff
Is the new distro ready or something... My main ubuntu studio machine just told me there was a distro upgrade to Oneiric Ocelot and would I like to install it I declined as it was my idea that was not yet. I took a look on the ubuntu site to see if there was a new release announcement and noticed that all mention of derivatives is gone... and they are announcing 11.10... OK For my main hard drive I think I will wait to upgrade... maybe till 12.04 ;-) However, I have a big drive I got for trying new releases on and I will run 11.10 and any development release stuff on that. I will also try and do stuff on it. My netbook will get 11.10 ubuntu desktop... but I have xfce on there as well so I will get used to that one way or another. I can see where unity has gone... if it is ready for daily use yet (11.04 was not!). I would like to be more involved in UStudio's next release. I can't draw and I play music more than record... I can script in bash, tcl/tk and perl anyway... though it has been a while. I have done (a little) c programming. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Weird stuff
On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 07:06 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: Is the new distro ready or something... My main ubuntu studio machine just told me there was a distro upgrade to Oneiric Ocelot and would I like to install it I declined as it was my idea that was not yet. I took a look on the ubuntu site to see if there was a new release announcement and noticed that all mention of derivatives is gone... and they are announcing 11.10... OK For my main hard drive I think I will wait to upgrade... maybe till 12.04 ;-) However, I have a big drive I got for trying new releases on and I will run 11.10 and any development release stuff on that. I will also try and do stuff on it. My netbook will get 11.10 ubuntu desktop... but I have xfce on there as well so I will get used to that one way or another. I can see where unity has gone... if it is ready for daily use yet (11.04 was not!). I would like to be more involved in UStudio's next release. I can't draw and I play music more than record... I can script in bash, tcl/tk and perl anyway... though it has been a while. I have done (a little) c programming. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net Len: Suggest you stick with Long Term Support releases for your production machine, i.e. wait until 12/04. WHOLE lot less painful IMHO. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Weird stuff
Len: Suggest you stick with Long Term Support releases for your production machine, i.e. wait until 12/04. WHOLE lot less painful IMHO. Ja, I've got two drives on this machine one for daily use and the other to test things on. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[VAC] Now -- ??
Now that oneiric is released, I need a break. All my Ubuntu mail is being dumped into a mailbox I'm not reading (so I won't see replies to this). Feel free to take up any of my merges, etc. Good luck, Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: UDS Considerations for Kubuntu
On 13 October 2011 12:26, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:08:42 AM Jussi Schultink wrote: Is there a reason we dont just put a whole lot of effort this release into giving upstream the help they need to get these into good shape? At this point upstream has worked on it for years and haven't got there. I think any marginal benefit we could provide would not have a signficant impact. Every little bit helps is not just a saying in this case - anything can help, and no matter how small, it can be useful. This can also be applied to the Kubuntu project ;) Now that (for better or for worse) this is in a release, the best thing we can do is give upstream high quality feedback in the form of bugs. High quality feedback is highly needed, but so are fixes. If there are no resources to provide those fixes then that is OK, but defaulting to better feedback because what we could provide would not have a significant impact is not the best option. Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
about kmail2 and UDS considerations
Hi all; Sorry for stepping in - I subscribed to this list only for this mail and to express my disappointment about the current status of Kubuntu and kmail. I previously tried to express my concerns on the feedback page after beta1, but with no effect (other(s) did for later version in the cycle). There also have been a lot of bug reports (kubuntu and upstream) - to no avail. None seems to really care... at last it has been released now AS-IS. It started with kde 4.0, where kmails gpg integration stopped to work as seamless as it did with kde 3.x. This has been reported more than once on kde's bugtracker, debian, fora... According to the latest entry in debians bugtracker, it seems to be finally solved with kmail 1.13.7 - a version never released in kubuntu. The move to kmail2 has been made, despite to all warnings, bug reports elsewhere and is now called a disaster by the one who moved it to kubuntu 11.10. And the day it's released officially, the one who is responsible installed a downstreamed version on his own machine - kubuntu users left in the dark - with a version that does not fix previous pb's but even raise new issues - probably serious ones like loosing mails (see kde-pim list), a migration that simply does not work. This is indeed a disaster and lack of responsibilty. I understand Scott expressing that upstream is expected to work. Releasing sensible software like mail applications into the wild without a smooth way of migration, and by knowing about serious bugs is a no-go. And it's not only kubuntus fault - I had a short look into fedora and opensuse today, cause it was claimed that they work - which seems not to be true reading comments etc.. Kmail2 still seems not to be ready for daily work. This can't be justified by an understaffed team, if so, just don't do it and users have to wait another year. Making the step due to lack of beta testers and to force downstream developers (who fall into the trap) AND users to swallow it, while knowing about and/or neglecting serious problems and bug reports, and release alpha software will simply destroy reputation and a once nice application. This is indeed a disaster and lack of responsibilty. I'll give kubuntu and kmail2 another try on a virtual machine, if that still fails - I'll join those who move away from kmail to thunderbird. Something with a bitter taste after years, but given how developers work with one of my most important application and data, but better be safe than sorry. I don't want to blame anyone in person, it's all done in your spare time and I respect the work , but as it happended all in all it occurred as bad service to the application, the distribution and the community. And before someone asks me to help and there, developing this and that - I'd say just NO, I'm working on my own projects for more than eight years, to give the community something back, and I'm not responsible to fix your stuff, enough work to keep my own in a good shape and to show the same responsibilty for users, I demand from you. Thx for listening and yes, I'm upset kp -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
