Re: Removing gnome-nettool from the default Desktop image?

2012-06-09 Thread Ayan George
On 06/09/2012 08:44 AM, Vincent Ladeuil wrote:
> 
> For people with limited knowledge, having to install a tool helping
> the network issues debugging is a no-go.
> 

IMHO, gnome-net-tool is an incredibly thin interface.  I don't think
it is useful at all for people with limited knowledge.

Most tabs correspond to the exact command name (ping, traceroute,
finger, & whois) and supplying the correct parameters requires enough
knowledge to have used the command line equivalent.

By being sometimes buggy, it also provides misleading or incorrect
information.  Two examples come to mind:

* Right now, ping doesn't work at all.  It attempts to run:
   '/bin/ping ping -b -c5 -n '  (notice the extra 'ping').

* Finger is a bit of an anachronism but g-n-t attempts to use a local
copy of pinky first.  pinky doesn't even perform network finger
lookups.  If someone does actually need to use g-n-t to do a remote
finger query, this would be confusing.  (as a side note, it  is
strange that pinky is installed by default but finger is not given
that the finger binary is smaller.)

> So unless there are issues with maintenance or space, I'd rather
> keep gnome-nettool.
> 

Being just a really thin veneer on top of basic network tools, I don't
think it is very useful and is only a source of bugs and confusion.

-ayan

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Re: Removing gnome-nettool from the default Desktop image?

2012-06-09 Thread Vincent Ladeuil
> Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre  writes:



> The intent of the live image is to showcase what Ubuntu can do; I
> think gnome-nettool gives us an additional benefit in the fact that
> it's useful, for users that don't always know the command-line
> equivalents, for debugging purposes with network issues.

I think the debug aspect is key here. 

For people with limited knowledge, having to install a tool helping the
network issues debugging is a no-go.

So unless there are issues with maintenance or space, I'd rather keep
gnome-nettool.

Just my 2 cents,

  Vincent

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