Re: LMMS?
Anyway talk about it in R cycle...Feature Freeze is here... 2012/10/2 Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: ** On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:15:30 +0200, Scott Lavender scottalaven...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Ho Wan Chan smartbo...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all. In #ubuntustudio today somebody asked if we should add LMMS to it. I agree we need to since it is a crucial part of the system and it takes only about 10 MB of disk space so... BTW I talked to Nicholas Skaggs and the final decision was to dump the manual partitioning and auto-resize testcases and only remain the entire disk one along with live session and the forecoming post-installation testcases. Thanks everybody Regards, Howard Chan (smartboyhw) -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel I think characterizing this as a crucial part of the system might be misrepresenting LMMS as I think Ubuntu Studio is quite functional in numerous use cases. We should also consider how many people are asking for LMMS. If we included every application asked for, we would easily oversize the 4gig image. I have been worried about making everyone download extra megs (oh, won't someone think of the bandwidth) because one person said we should include something. However, I am not opposed to including it. I just want to make sure we evaluate the inclusion on it's own merits, that we are supported a complete work flow (i.e. there are no other applications needed to support getting the task done), and the user demand warrants inclusion. I look forward to other's input. ScottL I think it's a valid addition. I know some people prefer this kind of applications to Qtractor or Ardour. On their homepage they make reference to LMMS being a Linux alternative to FL Studio. In my experience there are FL Studio people, and then there is the other kind. Don't use it myself, but I definitely think it fills a workflow hole for a good portion of people. i found LMMS to be crashy in 10.04... and i havent used it since really. if its stable and something that others want added, im OK with that. i always thought that even if it worked and was stable, my opinion was that it was toy-ish... we cant include *everything* and there are some key pieces of my workflow that are not installed that i have no issues with installing on my own. however, if someone wants to host a meeting, and vote on the inclusion of LMMS, i'll come and participate, and not vote it down, since i have no strong opinions other than it needs to be stable. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: LMMS?
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: ** On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:15:30 +0200, Scott Lavender scottalaven...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Ho Wan Chan smartbo...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all. In #ubuntustudio today somebody asked if we should add LMMS to it. I agree we need to since it is a crucial part of the system and it takes only about 10 MB of disk space so... BTW I talked to Nicholas Skaggs and the final decision was to dump the manual partitioning and auto-resize testcases and only remain the entire disk one along with live session and the forecoming post-installation testcases. Thanks everybody Regards, Howard Chan (smartboyhw) -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel I think characterizing this as a crucial part of the system might be misrepresenting LMMS as I think Ubuntu Studio is quite functional in numerous use cases. We should also consider how many people are asking for LMMS. If we included every application asked for, we would easily oversize the 4gig image. I have been worried about making everyone download extra megs (oh, won't someone think of the bandwidth) because one person said we should include something. However, I am not opposed to including it. I just want to make sure we evaluate the inclusion on it's own merits, that we are supported a complete work flow (i.e. there are no other applications needed to support getting the task done), and the user demand warrants inclusion. I look forward to other's input. ScottL I think it's a valid addition. I know some people prefer this kind of applications to Qtractor or Ardour. On their homepage they make reference to LMMS being a Linux alternative to FL Studio. In my experience there are FL Studio people, and then there is the other kind. Don't use it myself, but I definitely think it fills a workflow hole for a good portion of people. i found LMMS to be crashy in 10.04... and i havent used it since really. if its stable and something that others want added, im OK with that. i always thought that even if it worked and was stable, my opinion was that it was toy-ish... we cant include *everything* and there are some key pieces of my workflow that are not installed that i have no issues with installing on my own. however, if someone wants to host a meeting, and vote on the inclusion of LMMS, i'll come and participate, and not vote it down, since i have no strong opinions other than it needs to be stable. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel This is certainly not the first discussion we've had about including LMMS, and it probably won't be the last. None of the past conversations have come to a conclusion that it should be included as there are other more polished tools that complete the same or similar workflow. LMMS has had stability issues in the past but maybe it's outgrown these now. My personal vote would be to include it in the 'suggested install' section and leave it off the actual disk. It's possible that reorganization of the workflows and meta packages could find a slot where LMMS fits perfectly, but I don't believe there's a spot it would fill right now. -Eric Hedekar -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: LMMS?
On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:13:20 +0200, Eric Hedekar aftertheb...@gmail.com wrote:On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:15:30 +0200, Scott Lavender scottalaven...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Ho Wan Chan smartbo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all.In #ubuntustudio today somebody asked if we should add LMMS to it. I agree we need to since it is a crucial part of the system and it takes only about 10 MB of disk space so...BTW I talked to Nicholas Skaggs and the final decision was to dump the manual partitioning and auto-resize testcases and only remain the entire disk one along with live session and the forecoming post-installation testcases. Thanks everybodyRegards,Howard Chan (smartboyhw) -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel I think characterizing this as "a crucial part of the system" might be misrepresenting LMMS asI think Ubuntu Studio is quite functional in numerous use cases. We should also consider how many people are asking for LMMS. If we included every application asked for, we would easily oversize the 4gig image. I have been worried about making everyone download extra megs (oh, won't someone think of the bandwidth) because one person said we should include something. However, I am not opposed to including it. I just want to make sure we evaluate the inclusion on it's own merits, that we are supported a complete work flow (i.e. there are no other applications needed to support getting the task done), and the user demand warrants inclusion. I look forward to other's input.ScottL I think it's a valid addition. I know some people prefer this kind of applications to Qtractor or Ardour.On their homepage they make reference to LMMS being a Linux alternative to FL Studio. In my experience there are FL Studio people, and then there is the other kind. Don't use it myself, but I definitely think it fills a workflow hole for a good portion of people.i found LMMS to be crashy in 10.04... and i havent used it since really. if its stable and something that others want added, im OK with that. i always thought that even if it worked and was stable, my opinion was that it was "toy-ish"... we cant include *everything* and there are some key pieces of my workflow that are not installed that i have no issues with installing on my own. however, if someone wants to host a meeting, and "vote" on the inclusion of LMMS, i'll come and participate, and not vote it down, since i have no strong opinions other than it needs to be stable. -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MHmikeholstein.info -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel This is certainly not the first discussion we've had about including LMMS, and it probably won't be the last. None of the past conversations have come to a conclusion that it should be included as there are other more polished tools that complete the same or similar workflow. LMMS has had stability issues in the past but maybe it's outgrown these now. My personal vote would be to include it in the 'suggested install' section and leave it off the actual disk. It's possible that reorganization of the workflows and meta packages could find a slot where LMMS fits perfectly, but I don't believe there's a spot it would fill right now. -Eric Hedekar I've had plenty of stability issues with Qtractor, while Ardour is lacking in midi capability.lmms is not as complex, but does include builtin instruments. It's perfect for novice users, who have little experience in audio applications, as well as for anyone interested in the instruments it offers.lmms is in fact the simplest tool to use if you quickly want to make some electronic music. Just drag and drop instruments, and start making music. So, I would argue that it does fill a workflow.-- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: LMMS?
On Tue, October 2, 2012 6:44 am, Mike Holstein wrote: i found LMMS to be crashy in 10.04... and i havent used it since really. if its stable and something that others want added, im OK with that. i always thought that even if it worked and was stable, my opinion was that it was toy-ish... we cant include *everything* and there are some key pieces of my workflow that are not installed that i have no issues with installing on my own. however, if someone wants to host a meeting, and vote on the inclusion of LMMS, i'll come and participate, and not vote it down, since i have no strong opinions other than it needs to be stable. +1 on the toyish. In fact that is why the user who asked wants it. It has auto chording (insert a note with the mouse and it chords it). LMMS is already one of the Extra apps that shows up when the extra applications menu item is selected. I feel really strongly not for 12.10. 13.04 would be ok. However, I think we should be prepared to get asked (even more than now) why we don't have RG which is the same kind of thing but more professional. There are for that matter, as others have said, a number of other sequencer/daw/whatever applications available. What this user likes about it, aside from auto chord, I think is a low learning curve for his first try at recording. One app does his whole thing, both recording vocals/guitar as well as some synth work. There is no doubt in my mind he could do everything he has done on qtracktor. Just a matter of learning how... a utube howto (not printed) is what he needs. (Len does better with printed, but understands others work differently) I don't know if it works like x windows application is a valid reason to call something entry level. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Minutes from the Ubuntu Server Team meeting, 2012-10-02
Damn, you are good! On 2 October 2012 18:41, Ursula Junque ursi...@ursinha.net wrote: Full IRC logs can be found in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20121002, along with these minutes. == Meeting summary == === ACTION points === ACTION points from previous meeting * jamespage to look into aligning release team and server team trackign reports - No progress so far, will follow up with Ursinha next week. New ACTION points: * ACTION: jamespage and Ursinha to look into aligning release team and server team tracking reports * ACTION: jamespage to provide info to hggdh about how to run iSCSI and MAAS tests for the ISO === Release Bugs === * bug 1017847 in qemu-linaro (Ubuntu) qemu segfaults when creating an armhf container on an amd64 host [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017847 * hallyn will try to reproduce the issue again, added to his list. * bug 1047520 in php5 (Ubuntu Quantal) NEWS and release notes need updating [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047520 * SpamapS looked and said it was already Fix Released. * bug 1049177 in maas (Ubuntu Quantal) isc-dhcp-server apparmor profile should have include .d [Critical,Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049177 * smoser said the fix is already on a PPA. * bug 1044632 in juju (Ubuntu Quantal) Modify format 2 so that it supports raw strings [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044632 * jimbaker said the fix is part of the 0.5.2 release of juju. SpamapS said he has a final drop of Juju code planned for later this week. Daviey asked SpamapS if any news on using ubuntu-cloud lxc template for local provider. SpamapS said the branch is proposed and in review today. === Weekly Updates Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) === hggdh reported iSCSI and MAAS tests didn't run for beta 2 ISO, so he assumed server team wants him to run it, and asked for information on how to do it. He reported found an easy way to have the ISO dns-server tests to actually execute, and will be proposing a merge soon for USIT. He also reported that MAAS now seem to support virsh, but there are not docs on how to fill in the fields on the Add Node screen, and the Doc button on the page does not even talk about virsh. roaksoax said we would need to check that with iupstream as he's only worked with IPMI. smoser haven't tested current maas with virsh, but it is on the list of things he'd like to know how to do. hggdh should catch up with Daview after the meeting. === Weekly Updates Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) === * bug 1021471 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) clone() hang when creating new network namespace (dmesg show unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 2) [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021471 * smb reported he's getting somewhere with it, was compiling a new test kernel to check that. Should be on people by the time the meeting ends. === Next meeting date and time === Next meeting will be on Tuesday, October 9th at 16:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting. Chair will be rbasak. Cheers, -- Ursinha (Ursula Junque) ursi...@ursinha.net ursi...@ubuntu.com -- Ubuntu - I am because we are -- Linux user #289453 - Ubuntu user #31144 -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-ser...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam -- Kind Regards, Dave Walker dave.wal...@canonical.com Engineering Manager, Ubuntu Server Infrastructure -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Minutes from the Ubuntu Server Team meeting, 2012-10-02
Full IRC logs can be found in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20121002, along with these minutes. == Meeting summary == === ACTION points === ACTION points from previous meeting * jamespage to look into aligning release team and server team trackign reports - No progress so far, will follow up with Ursinha next week. New ACTION points: * ACTION: jamespage and Ursinha to look into aligning release team and server team tracking reports * ACTION: jamespage to provide info to hggdh about how to run iSCSI and MAAS tests for the ISO === Release Bugs === * bug 1017847 in qemu-linaro (Ubuntu) qemu segfaults when creating an armhf container on an amd64 host [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017847 * hallyn will try to reproduce the issue again, added to his list. * bug 1047520 in php5 (Ubuntu Quantal) NEWS and release notes need updating [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047520 * SpamapS looked and said it was already Fix Released. * bug 1049177 in maas (Ubuntu Quantal) isc-dhcp-server apparmor profile should have include .d [Critical,Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049177 * smoser said the fix is already on a PPA. * bug 1044632 in juju (Ubuntu Quantal) Modify format 2 so that it supports raw strings [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044632 * jimbaker said the fix is part of the 0.5.2 release of juju. SpamapS said he has a final drop of Juju code planned for later this week. Daviey asked SpamapS if any news on using ubuntu-cloud lxc template for local provider. SpamapS said the branch is proposed and in review today. === Weekly Updates Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) === hggdh reported iSCSI and MAAS tests didn't run for beta 2 ISO, so he assumed server team wants him to run it, and asked for information on how to do it. He reported found an easy way to have the ISO dns-server tests to actually execute, and will be proposing a merge soon for USIT. He also reported that MAAS now seem to support virsh, but there are not docs on how to fill in the fields on the Add Node screen, and the Doc button on the page does not even talk about virsh. roaksoax said we would need to check that with iupstream as he's only worked with IPMI. smoser haven't tested current maas with virsh, but it is on the list of things he'd like to know how to do. hggdh should catch up with Daview after the meeting. === Weekly Updates Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) === * bug 1021471 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) clone() hang when creating new network namespace (dmesg show unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 2) [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021471 * smb reported he's getting somewhere with it, was compiling a new test kernel to check that. Should be on people by the time the meeting ends. === Next meeting date and time === Next meeting will be on Tuesday, October 9th at 16:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting. Chair will be rbasak. Cheers, -- Ursinha (Ursula Junque) ursi...@ursinha.net ursi...@ubuntu.com -- Ubuntu - I am because we are -- Linux user #289453 - Ubuntu user #31144 -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Starting off R blueprints and cleaning up Q ones.
Dear Developers, After tracking down and resolving several blueprints that weren't labeled properly so they'd get into the list[1] for R series and UDS planning, it seemed like a refresher of the conventions to use might be appropriate. ;) When registering a blueprint, most efficient way to get it created and sorted into the right place is to Register a Blueprint from r-series page [1]. Some conventions to follow: * Name: of blueprint should be of the form track-r-topic name * Propose for sprint: Ubuntu Developer Summit-R * Click on propose for series goal There are also some draft conventions[2] for the content to put in the blueprint that will permit automation. There will be a separate email to discuss those further. Would like to come to closure on this at UDS-R on standard format for all of us to use, so we can start making effective use of bots to help with the housekeeping tasks... And on that note ;), could approvers and assignees of blueprints, please take a pass through the current set of blueprints [3], and make sure they all are up to date by 10/4 1200 UTC. We'll be using the information in them to generate the first pass of the 12.10 Release Notes, and only picking up information from those marked Beta Available or Complete. Specifically we'll be looking for text in the Release Note: section of the whiteboard. If a line item is clearly now not going to make it, please mark it as postponed. We'll be using [5] to summarize the feedback and results of working with the prototype this release, possibly spinning out a separate blueprint to continue the evolution, based on feedback added. As you work through the blueprints, and other issues emerge, feel free to add them to the Whiteboard on [5]. Thanks for your help with this, Kate [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/r-series [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BlueprintSpec [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal [4] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-release-notes [5]https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-prior-release-feedback -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
