Re: XMir update for Ubuntu 13.10
I think this is what everyone was afraid of when the Ubuntu community decided mobile was the target platform. We are already starting to see the desktop lag behind mobile instead of them being integrated. Keep up the good work, but maybe you could shed some light on my concern? On Tue 01 Oct 2013 03:21:33 PM PDT, Oliver Ries wrote: Hi Everyone, As many of you will know, the Mir team had two core goals for the Ubuntu 13.10 cycle: 1. Deliver Mir + XMir + Unity 7 on the desktop for those cards that supported it, and fall back to X for those that don’t. 2. Deliver a native Mir + Unity 8 running on Ubuntu Touch images and devices. Unfortunately, due to some outstanding technical difficulties, we can only achieve the latter of these two goals. While we are on track to successfully deliver Mir for Ubuntu on smartphones, we are unfortunately not going to be able to deliver Mir + XMir + Unity 7 as the default experience on the desktop. Mir has made tremendous progress and is currently available on the Ubuntu archive for use, but there are still some outstanding quality issues that we want to resolve before we feel comfortable turning it on by default. Many of these issues live in the XMir part of the stack, which provides the integration between the X server and the underlying Mir system compositor. More specifically, the multi-monitor support in XMir is working, but not to the extend we'd like to see it for all of our users. The core of Mir is working reliable, but with XMir being a key component for our 13.10 goals, we didn’t want to compromise overall Ubuntu quality by shipping it. Mir XMir are available from the archive as an optional configuration, but XMir won't be part of the default configuration. I know many of you have been curious about the progress of discussions with GPU manufacturers about Mir support, and while those conversations are under NDA, I can assure you they are progressing forward. We have compiled a QA which can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/13.10/NoDefaultQ%26A If you have any further queries, please feel free to reach out to me or my team, and feel free to discuss this in more detail either here or on mir-devel (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/mir-devel/). best, Olli -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
EGL Drivers and Mir/Wayland
Hello, I am still not 100% positive what exactly EGL is, but I saw people talking about it on a forum thread, and some were saying that if AMD/Nvidia were to release EGL-compatible drivers, these drivers would work with both the Mir and Wayland display servers, as they both use EGL. Is this true? Does that mean these companies would only have to release one proprietary driver that supports EGL and it would work on both Mir and Wayland? I'm not asking Ubuntu developers to say what Nvidia or AMD will do, just making a what if scenario here. Thanks! Kyle Williams -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
2 bad reasons why ubuntu saucy dissapoints
Hello, I'm using Saucy about 2-3 months. Unfortunately there are still 2 annoying bugs which dissapoints. Firstly, I can not use touchpad scrolling because it is broken in Saucy. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/148 Secondly, I have to use keys Super+Space instead of Caps Lock or something else because I can't assign alternate keyboard keys. Not to mention I can't use Ctrl+C when russian layout. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-keyboard/+bug/1218322 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-keyboard/+bug/1218327 Please solve these bugs. -- Igor -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: XMir update for Ubuntu 13.10
Hi Ryein, For what it's worth, I don't see it as an either or. There is one Ubuntu platform that will support everything from mobile phones, to tablets, to netbooks, to laptops, to work stations, to servers, to clouds, to instances running workloads in those clouds. Currently, we are playing catch up on phones and tablets, but the goal remains full convergence, full support for all of these from a single code base. In no way is there less of a commitment to desktop users and the integration that you mentioned, we just haven't reached the point where we can really start that integration. I'm sure we'll have some really good discussions about how to get from here to there at the next UDS, but I hope that sheds some light on the overall goal and the concern you expressed. Cheers, Rick On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Ryein C. Goddard ryein.godd...@gmail.comwrote: I think this is what everyone was afraid of when the Ubuntu community decided mobile was the target platform. We are already starting to see the desktop lag behind mobile instead of them being integrated. Keep up the good work, but maybe you could shed some light on my concern? On Tue 01 Oct 2013 03:21:33 PM PDT, Oliver Ries wrote: Hi Everyone, As many of you will know, the Mir team had two core goals for the Ubuntu 13.10 cycle: 1. Deliver Mir + XMir + Unity 7 on the desktop for those cards that supported it, and fall back to X for those that don’t. 2. Deliver a native Mir + Unity 8 running on Ubuntu Touch images and devices. Unfortunately, due to some outstanding technical difficulties, we can only achieve the latter of these two goals. While we are on track to successfully deliver Mir for Ubuntu on smartphones, we are unfortunately not going to be able to deliver Mir + XMir + Unity 7 as the default experience on the desktop. Mir has made tremendous progress and is currently available on the Ubuntu archive for use, but there are still some outstanding quality issues that we want to resolve before we feel comfortable turning it on by default. Many of these issues live in the XMir part of the stack, which provides the integration between the X server and the underlying Mir system compositor. More specifically, the multi-monitor support in XMir is working, but not to the extend we'd like to see it for all of our users. The core of Mir is working reliable, but with XMir being a key component for our 13.10 goals, we didn’t want to compromise overall Ubuntu quality by shipping it. Mir XMir are available from the archive as an optional configuration, but XMir won't be part of the default configuration. I know many of you have been curious about the progress of discussions with GPU manufacturers about Mir support, and while those conversations are under NDA, I can assure you they are progressing forward. We have compiled a QA which can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/13.10/NoDefaultQ%26A If you have any further queries, please feel free to reach out to me or my team, and feel free to discuss this in more detail either here or on mir-devel (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/mir-devel/). best, Olli -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Next UDS: 19 - 21 Nov 2013
Hi Everyone, The Ubuntu Developer Summit is going to be taking place from Tues 19th Nov - Thu 21st Nov 2013. As ever, the event is free and open to everyone and accessible at http://uds.ubuntu.com. As with each UDS, we are working to refine and improve each event. For the next UDS we are making some of the following improvements: * Simplifying how our community propose new sessions. * Simplifying the registration process. * Adding a hallway track for impromptu sessions. * Getting the schedule in place earlier, so people can better plan their time. * Refinements to uds.ubuntu.com to explain how the event works and how to participate. * Improvements to the plenary content and running great sessions. For each event we are now going to put a deadline in place where we ask everyone in our community (Canonical employees included) to get their sessions set up and registered. For details of how to create sessions (either blueprint or discussion sessions), please see http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/ We would like to ask that all sessions are proposed by the end of **Fri 1st Nov 2013**. As ever, if you have any questions, feel free to get in touch. Thanks! Jono -- Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager www.ubuntu.com / www.jonobacon.org www.identi.ca/jonobacon www.twitter.com/jonobacon -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: building dkms source packages using mkdsc
It's been on the backburner for me for a while. Send patches to mario_limoncie...@dell.com and i'm happy to look at them. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hey Chris, Chris J Arges [2013-09-04 16:00 -0500]: I examined the package that dkms mkdsc generates and I noticed a few things: 1) debian/rules doesn't use newer DH stuff like %: dh $@ --with dkms 2) debian/control's Standards-Version / debhelper versions are fairly old. Is there a reason for this, or is this a 'patches are welcome' sort of thing? It's just nobody has touched dkms for a while. Not sure how active upstream still is (Mario?), but I'd rather have these intrusive changes upstream than carrying huge patches in Ubuntu only (package in Debian also isn't very active). Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- Mario Limonciello supe...@ubuntu.com -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: building dkms source packages using mkdsc
Mario, Sweet, I've made the modifications manually after running dkms mkdsc. However, I'll figure out how to put that into the template files and send you a patch when I can and after testing on my end. Martin, Of course I'll send them upstream first. : ) Now to just find some downtime to hack on this! --chris j arges On 10/03/2013 03:30 PM, Mario Limonciello wrote: It's been on the backburner for me for a while. Send patches to mario_limoncie...@dell.com mailto:mario_limoncie...@dell.com and i'm happy to look at them. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com mailto:martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hey Chris, Chris J Arges [2013-09-04 16:00 -0500]: I examined the package that dkms mkdsc generates and I noticed a few things: 1) debian/rules doesn't use newer DH stuff like %: dh $@ --with dkms 2) debian/control's Standards-Version / debhelper versions are fairly old. Is there a reason for this, or is this a 'patches are welcome' sort of thing? It's just nobody has touched dkms for a while. Not sure how active upstream still is (Mario?), but I'd rather have these intrusive changes upstream than carrying huge patches in Ubuntu only (package in Debian also isn't very active). Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org http://www.debian.org) -- Mario Limonciello supe...@ubuntu.com mailto:supe...@ubuntu.com -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
