Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Trusty initial testing

2014-02-10 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Elfy wrote:
 On 08/02/14 19:22, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
  We don't have a system for testing, currently. At least, we need to make
  sure all the important parts are working.
  If you're particularly into a specific field, it would be natural for
  you to test the applications that deal with that field, as you will know
  the difference between something working as intended, or not.
  And, if anyone would be interested in developing a system for testing
  Ubuntu Studio, you are welcome to get involved to develop such a system.
 
  Anyway, I will do some testing tomorrow. And will continue to do testing
  over the coming weeks.
 
  Current images can be found at
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/
 
 Not sure if you know how we've setup package testing for us over here.
 
 http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases
 
 Someone did create a whole bunch of bugs for Studio Testcases - 
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-studio
 

Thanks. 
Someone would need to create test cases for each application. The
simplest case is - does the application start? I suppose one could start
there.
The person best suited to make a test case for an application would be
someone who normally uses it, or other applications like it. The actual
person testing might not need to know as much. - Enough to know when
something worked, or not.


 There is a whole lot of work there unfortunately - but if you wanted to 
 go that way I could find some time for basic testcases. Depends what 
 you're looking for.
 
 If you want to look deeper into that tracker stuff - I'm generally 
 about. Mostly in our irc channels.
 
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Re: [RFC] Trusty plans for xen-api/xcp

2014-02-10 Thread Robie Basak
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 01:45:44PM +, Robie Basak wrote:
 Unless somebody steps up to maintain xen-api, I don't think it makes
 sense to continue keeping these packages in Ubuntu, given that Debian
 have removed them from testing and the existing packages broken (and, it
 seems, thus stuck in trusty-proposed). So we should remove them from
 trusty-proposed.

I have filed bug 1278352 to have these packages removed from Trusty.

Robie


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Re: [RFC] 12.04.5

2014-02-10 Thread Leann Ogasawara
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 5:50 AM, Philipp Kern pk...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:00:12AM -0800, Leann Ogasawara wrote:
  As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a
 newer
  kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes.
   Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these
 until
  a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise.  Once a Trusty
  enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL
 and
  be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which
 would
  continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise.

 When would they EOL? When the new one lands in -updates? Or after the
 point release including it (w/ installer support)?


We intended for them to EOL around the 14.04.1 time frame.  I think it now
seems reasonable to EOL them after 12.04.5 has released.

  Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and
  12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and
 12.04.5
  after (exact date TBD).

 What would the rough date for the Precise point release be then? August?


The point releases have roughly held a 6 month release cadence and I don't
believe that should change for 12.04.5.  Since 12.04.4 released in
February, August sounds like a reasonable estimate assuming we can avoid
clashing with the 14.04.1 release.  It might be more realistic to push
12.04.5 to September, but I'll leave that to the discretion of the Ubuntu
Release Team.

Thanks,
Leann
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Re: [RFC] 12.04.5

2014-02-10 Thread James Page
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On 07/02/14 18:00, Leann Ogasawara wrote:
[...]
 Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional
 maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in
 Precise.  It would require some extra effort on part of the
 Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to
 spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination etc.
 However, I informally discussed this with a few members of each of
 those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a
 reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we
 could find no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also
 discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors
 to participate in.  Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid
 clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest 
 releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD).
 
 What are other's thoughts here?  Does anyone have a compelling
 reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point release?

+1 on release and proposal for timing - works well from a server team
perspective!

Cheers

James

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Re: [RFC] Trusty plans for xen-api/xcp

2014-02-10 Thread Stefan Bader
On 10.02.2014 15:47, George Dunlap wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Robie Basak robie.ba...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 01:45:44PM +, Robie Basak wrote:
 Unless somebody steps up to maintain xen-api, I don't think it makes
 sense to continue keeping these packages in Ubuntu, given that Debian
 have removed them from testing and the existing packages broken (and, it
 seems, thus stuck in trusty-proposed). So we should remove them from
 trusty-proposed.

 I have filed bug 1278352 to have these packages removed from Trusty.
 
 FYI, I just had a chat with the lead xapi developer.  He's said that
 unfortunately management has told them not to work on the open-source
 xapi packages (at least for now); so if there is nobody in the
 community willing to maintain it, then I think removing it is probably
 the best option.
 
 On a related note -- what version of libvirt / Xen will be in Trusty?
 The SuSE guys have made a lot of progress on getting good support for
 libxl and libvirt; that's probably the best way forward.
 
  -George
 
Libvirt version 1.2.x (currently .1) not sure whether this may or may not change
until release. Xen ... at least 4.3.2 (not yet uploaded) but there has been some
interest (for the better Arm support) on 4.4. Depends a bit how soon/late the
release is compared to Trusty.
Anyway, I would like to make xl the default for new setups at least. I am
currently using it a lot together with virt-manager (though it has some odd ends
still) and I am being told that openstack integration is done via libvirt at
least (not sure they mandate the stack being xl or not).

-Stefan



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Next UDS: 11 - 13 March 2014

2014-02-10 Thread Jono Bacon
Hi Everyone,

My apologies for the delay in announcing the next Ubuntu Developer
Summit. The last few months have been somewhat hectic and we wanted to
wait for some confirmed conference/sprint dates across Ubuntu
Engineering and cross-check those with our release schedule before
committing to final dates so we can ensure as many people are there as
possible.

I can now confirm that our next Ubuntu Developer Summit will take
place from *Tues 11th March 2014 - Thurs 13th March 2014*. I wanted to
let you all know ASAP so you can get it in your calendars.
summit.ubuntu.com is updated and ready to start having sessions added
or proposed (http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/).

This next UDS will look and feel much like the last one; the same
tracks and format. The feedback we have received from the last UDS
suggests that the changes we made were well received. As ever, your
feedback is always welcome.

We would like to ask everyone to get their sessions scheduled by *Fri
21st Feb 2014*; this gives potential attendees time to coordinate time
away from work to join the sessions.

If you want to have a session at UDS, please see
http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/ for how to
propose it. As usual, feel free to ask for help from myself or Michael
Hall, David Planella, or Daniel Holbach,

Thanks,

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Developer Membership Board minutes - 2014-01-27

2014-02-10 Thread Stefano Rivera
== 2014-01-27 ==

 * Chair: Stefano Rivera
 * Present: Micah Gersten
 * Apologies and avance votes received from: Barry Warsaw, Iain Lane, and 
Stéphane Graber
 * Log: 
http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-01-27-19.09.html

=== Review Previous Action Items ===

 * micahg to restructure PPU teams: Teams are restructured, but docs cleanup 
remains.

=== Tim Lunn for Ubuntu Gnome Packageset ===

 * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimLunn/PPUApplication
 * Approved with 5 votes for, 0 votes against and 0 abstentions.

=== Tim Lunn for MOTU ===

 * Deferred with 2 votes for, 0 votes against and 3 abstentions.
 * We welcome Tim to re-apply for MOTU in a few months, after contributing more 
widely to the archive. We believe the Ubuntu Gnome packageset and desktop-extra 
packageset should provide the upload rights currently required.

=== Tim Lunn for desktop-extra packageset ===

 * Approved with 4 votes for, 0 votes against, and 0 abstentions.

=== e-Mail application status ===

 * William Grant: Has a sufficient number of votes, awaiting votes from Scott, 
and Benjamin.
   * This has been finalized since the meeting occurred.
 * Daniel Pocock: Awaiting votes from Benjamin, Barry, Micah, Scott, Stéphane, 
and Stefano.
   * This has been finalized since the meeting occurred.
 * Jackson Doak: We need to call for votes.

=== Any other business ===

 * Chair for the next meeting will be ScottK.
 * Restaffing: Initiate an election immediately.

SR

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Re: Expansion of Valve free games offer to Ubuntu developers

2014-02-10 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

That's super - thanks Neil! Please pass appreciation on to the relevant
person at Valve.

On 10/02/14 15:51, Neil McGovern wrote:
 Hi all,

 As I'm sure most will be aware, for the last couple of weeks, Valve have
 offered access to all Valve produced games free of charge to Debian
 Developers [0].

 As of today, they have kindly extended this to all registered Ubuntu
 Developers [1].

 Collabora is administering the distribution of keys so to request your
 key, please email Jo Shields jo.shie...@collabora.co.uk with a PGP
 signed email requesting it. If you don't hear back in a couple of days
 or so, you can then email me directly neil.mcgov...@collabora.com as
 I'll provide cover for Jo when he's not on holiday.

 Happy gaming!
 Neil

 [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/01/msg6.html
 [1] Essentially defined as everyone who's entitled to upload directly to
 the Ubuntu primary archive, even if only to a restricted set of packages





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