On 3/9/22 09:18, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
Hey Robie and DMB members,
Le 01/03/2022 à 16:51, Robie Basak a écrit :
Candidates must expect to be able to attend the majority of DMB
meetings. Currently these take place on IRC, are scheduled on alternate
Mondays with each meeting alternating between 1600 UTC and 1900 UTC, and
last around an hour.
Following the recent emails stating that we don't have enough
candidate I'm going to drop a note about ^
I was pondering sending my application, I'm busy but I think it's
important that we have a function DMB, but that 'must expect'
statement convinced me to not.
I try to lock the 17h30-20h to be able to have some family time and
that's not something I'm wanting to compromise on at this point.
I might not be the only one in that situation, since we are short on
candidate maybe it would help to try to be less rigid on that
requirement? (being open to different times? allow members to skip and
vote via email? ...)
With my DMB hat on:
There is no 'requirement' on those time slots - we are capable of
adjusting our meeting times according to our availability in the DMB by
simple vote, and we've done this before.
From my insight into the structure of DMB and how things're delegated,
the DMB can change the timing to make sure we can all meet at least one
of the meeting times every week.
Currently, the DMB attempts to use real-time interviews where possible
because sometimes we have questions that we can ask and then let people
respond to those questions. The standard case - backed by me as well -
is that real-time meetings where possible is preferred as we can get a
better idea of someone's statements and opinions and knowledge more
easily because it's real-time. While we have the occasional cases we
need to get people into an email based process - usually due to
timezones or other obligations - we usually prefer the real-time
approach, because we can ask real-time questions without providing any
extra time to 'research' the proper answer just to get things right.
I agree with the general consensus that we have a problem with
attendance - either because we're busy or because of other things. When
those cases come up, with logical reasons for not attending it can be
made sense why we might not be in the meetings. When people are not in
the meeting and we aren't quorate, the issue we've had in the past is
nobody responding in a timely manner to those messages - therefore a
lack of participation. However, going email-only is going to be
problematic because there's no guarantee for this to get handled.
Similarly, with IRC meetings, if we are not available for a meeting, we
usually do not have it and have to reschedule.
The DMB in the past has experimented with email-only processes, and
again timely responses have never been received so an application hung
for way too long. Which is why we have a general rule on attendance and
participation. It's insufficient to require just email votes on an
application, in my opinion, and it's more effective to discuss items in
a meeting that we carve an hour of time out for, rather than overwhelm
everyone with just emails.
This shouldn't block you, Sebastien, on the application process. In
fact, I would strongly recommend you apply for the position regardless
of the current time slots, the DMB when it's fully staffed can bring up
the meeting change times itself, and we've done it before multiple times.
Cheers,
Sebastien Bacher
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