Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 04/22/2014 08:39 AM, Kangarooo wrote: > If compeling reason to not release then it would be- theres no > compeling reason to do so. Well now since Hearthbleed bug theres > one compeling reason to do one more point release to make year 2012 > Ubuntu version complete for future Not really; it doesn't affect installation and will be patched as soon as you do a post install update. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTfB8jAAoJEI5FoCIzSKrwE/UH/A3lNSGPPn1OvfSI8Mm9Yurq 3AZBlzxGBF/N/qZJTGMLGo8A1BjWQG4ZAe7opZEz3r29uSwyFgVMI6nRqKYqRBgB TGuf7KocN6MSsBeJ8S6+5i+zBfDlcOVi9wdMFQBM/5Jfu/evmCRlu5wwLNzcS4r5 eSWtg28uVW7EsoYqNKJWdcAspnH+oAtnA3RB8LilXBF8pseR/k4t/Dxf2MZ990Oo a5hbIV3rhYtooY6TfH4U9wtz5a2DJDdRDdgJUX8hYUoyKmJzwN60KHDDF9bWEh5y 4ks46UE/9sQnTssUkcekNnYvAvXaWfFG9tvYvI7xt+y1Y6CIh+yTZx1nonV9tHM= =UWU0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
If compeling reason to not release then it would be- theres no compeling reason to do so. Well now since Hearthbleed bug theres one compeling reason to do one more point release to make year 2012 Ubuntu version complete for future generations (or for time until its released to till its LTS ends) Hearthbleed bug fix needs to be in couse its big security bug and since no updates will be after LTS ends so then ISO is complete it needs to be with security fix. Maybe its reason to make 10.04.5 too if Hearthbleed exists in it too. Here is written its only in 12.04 12.10 13.10 http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/ Bug report to make one more point release couse of hearthbleed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/1308506 BB Save a tree. Please don't print this e-mail unless it's really necessary. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/02/14 18:00, Leann Ogasawara wrote: [...] > Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional > maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in > Precise. It would require some extra effort on part of the > Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to > spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination etc. > However, I informally discussed this with a few members of each of > those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a > reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we > could find no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also > discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors > to participate in. Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid > clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest > releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD). > > What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling > reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point release? +1 on release and proposal for timing - works well from a server team perspective! Cheers James - -- James Page Ubuntu and Debian Developer james.p...@ubuntu.com jamesp...@debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJS+OPDAAoJEL/srsug59jDDj8P/2gvM6wEcppJr1e8aDNTPI/c VjJ4iVgRZ5NQzKrwZbZrA9KS2v+7NiyGRoy5D6rU5yvbsQH2fKWUtBkUtyOkqgAV qTGyUwm8ub3JvZVlHOhUQmMKEBhso8tYN+E69B0WMubMWohpUp++Q/vWbaJ65p4D sc7iSahYBHgjMWViFOddMnRJg4uA4ae0RZwiXjpFqQ5a9OjzlxyJuwivLW+M9yB/ swNUWJZc471Tpt0oJ9egAjGtwkLWAuL7dP0wSRgX1QIubJlpFj0kHyQcJDXwB6R0 wrkJtAVfKBl2pFeuZoyuPH0kwem0G5LmymWQ2MfgbUto2gZ+RhuUjb/n/8sCYaiv EmGqJvhJu3EMQXy3B37JY72Q45VC6003f5l887wb//LOmE7ovLGXdQPhjZ6WfpNi MgRkT8TYFuOsqpXfGTNmODKdqXaY0P2uyFafSj2jrw6Mf/6w7nnTFPiEr8TjyVfr nsaelDX0vEH+T4+I5uLRnl4l8qE8DQ98WHXqxvtUcsfUTrAcsqn/oCKhQmhEQ+l0 3PMg9zDUXpnjitjoyjBQ1Mi5ewjQ1hldIsJ2Oq2HqFMyi57JPQTmesvEFejvFCXt LzAHAsoOsG4FoWC7F7evqX4QHhZebIwSQCbgr6Z9Y2jlTqkMhN1vi1xi5iySRA07 yQ9sYa0J4H0yi2aVTlOV =D0QB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 5:50 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:00:12AM -0800, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > > As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a > newer > > kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. > > Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these > until > > a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty > > enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL > and > > be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which > would > > continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. > > When would they EOL? When the new one lands in -updates? Or after the > point release including it (w/ installer support)? > We intended for them to EOL around the 14.04.1 time frame. I think it now seems reasonable to EOL them after 12.04.5 has released. > Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and > > 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and > 12.04.5 > > after (exact date TBD). > > What would the rough date for the Precise point release be then? August? > The point releases have roughly held a 6 month release cadence and I don't believe that should change for 12.04.5. Since 12.04.4 released in February, August sounds like a reasonable estimate assuming we can avoid clashing with the 14.04.1 release. It might be more realistic to push 12.04.5 to September, but I'll leave that to the discretion of the Ubuntu Release Team. Thanks, Leann -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:00:12AM -0800, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer > kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. > Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until > a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty > enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and > be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would > continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. When would they EOL? When the new one lands in -updates? Or after the point release including it (w/ installer support)? > Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and > 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 > after (exact date TBD). What would the rough date for the Precise point release be then? August? Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On Friday, February 07, 2014 20:28:55 Stéphane Graber wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 05:24:23PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:00:12AM -0800, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > > > With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of > > > having a > > > 12.04.5 point release for Precise. > > > > > > As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a > > > newer > > > kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. > > > > > > Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these > > > until > > > > > > a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty > > > enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL > > > and > > > be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which > > > would > > > continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. > > > > > > Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 > > > shipped > > > with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement stack > > > in > > > Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack. > > > Once > > > that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an > > > EOL'd enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I > > > would > > > like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would > > > deliver > > > the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. > > > > > > Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance > > > burden > > > upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would require > > > some > > > extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the > > > Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing > > > coordination etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few > > > members > > > of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was > > > a > > > reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we could > > > find > > > no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a > > > 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. > > > > > > Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and > > > > > > 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and > > > 12.04.5 > > > after (exact date TBD). > > > > > > What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason > > > for > > > not providing a 12.04.5 point release? > > > > For the record, this has the Foundations Team's support as well (we've > > already discussed the resourcing considerations). So unless someone knows > > of a reason why we *shouldn't* go ahead with this, I think the main > > question here is whether the flavors want to participate. > > Speaking with my Edubuntu flavor lead hat on, we'd be happy to participate. If there's a 12.04.5, Kubuntu will participate. Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On 08/02/2014 03:28, Stéphane Graber wrote: >> For the record, this has the Foundations Team's support as well >> (we've already discussed the resourcing considerations). So >> unless someone knows of a reason why we *shouldn't* go ahead with >> this, I think the main question here is whether the flavors want >> to participate. > > Speaking with my Edubuntu flavor lead hat on, we'd be happy to > participate. +1 -Jonathan -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 05:24:23PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:00:12AM -0800, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > > With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a > > 12.04.5 point release for Precise. > > > As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer > > kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. > > Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until > > a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty > > enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and > > be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would > > continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. > > > Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 shipped > > with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement stack in > > Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once > > that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an > > EOL'd enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I would > > like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver > > the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. > > > Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance burden > > upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would require some > > extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the > > Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing > > coordination etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few members > > of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a > > reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we could find > > no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a > > 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. > > Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and > > 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 > > after (exact date TBD). > > > What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason for > > not providing a 12.04.5 point release? > > For the record, this has the Foundations Team's support as well (we've > already discussed the resourcing considerations). So unless someone knows > of a reason why we *shouldn't* go ahead with this, I think the main question > here is whether the flavors want to participate. Speaking with my Edubuntu flavor lead hat on, we'd be happy to participate. -- Stéphane Graber Ubuntu developer http://www.ubuntu.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:00:12AM -0800, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a > 12.04.5 point release for Precise. > As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer > kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. > Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until > a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty > enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and > be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would > continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. > Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 shipped > with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement stack in > Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once > that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an > EOL'd enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I would > like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver > the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. > Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance burden > upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would require some > extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the > Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing > coordination etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few members > of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a > reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we could find > no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a > 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. > Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and > 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 > after (exact date TBD). > What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason for > not providing a 12.04.5 point release? For the record, this has the Foundations Team's support as well (we've already discussed the resourcing considerations). So unless someone knows of a reason why we *shouldn't* go ahead with this, I think the main question here is whether the flavors want to participate. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On 07/02/14 19:33, Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph wrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote: FYI How does this align with our planning? If it goes as smoothly as past point releases, it would require us to do testing of the ISOs but I don't think much else (unless we want to). We hardly even manage to do that. 5 people running around doing all the tests. Elfy -- Ubuntu Forum Council Member Xubuntu QA Lead -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5
12.04.4 ISO installation testing looks good from a test case perspective (my experience). As stated below by Pasi, it would be possible to handle 12.04.4 to "12.04.5" via package updates and leave it alone for the most part. So, I'd rather see effort put in the customer migration of 12.04.x to 14.04 (combination of documentation, automation, and manual process). Moving from current LTS to new LTS has a higher payoff for all concerned. Richard On 02/07/2014 02:09 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: > If there is enough interest and motivation from the community > (including people who can actually help with the SRU), it can be > discussed. As Jackson, I don't personally think it as a realistic > thing to do at the moment either. > > Pasi > > On 07/02/14 22:03, Jackson Doak wrote: >> 4.12 will be difficult to get to 14.04, let alone backporting it all >> the way to precise >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Roberto J Dohnert >> mailto:robertdohn...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling >> piece would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no >> pun intended, release date. Releasing the trusty kernel through >> updates would be optimal. Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux >> team, are supporting 12.04 for two years past the scheduled >> Ubuntu support date until 2019. So, we may do a 14.10 stack as >> our last major release, we may work on that for Xubuntu as well. >> But that will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that time. >> >> Roberto J. Dohnert >> Lead Developer >> Black Lab Linux >> http://www.blacklablinux.org >> >> On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: >>> If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release >>> 12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core >>> after .4. On the other hand, if there is something we want in, >>> it's another possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates. >>> >>> I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support >>> for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big >>> SRU's now, since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat >>> shortly anyway. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Pasi >>> >>> On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote: >>>> FYI >>>> >>>> How does this align with our planning? >>>> >>>> Stephen Michael Kellat >>>> In the basement cafeteria on lunch >>>> >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>>> *From:* Leann Ogasawara >>>> <mailto:leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com>> >>>>> *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST >>>>> *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> <mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com>, >>>>> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> <mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>> *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5* >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the >>>>> idea of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. >>>>> >>>>> As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped >>>>> with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware >>>>> enablement purposes. Maintainers of these enablement stacks >>>>> have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement >>>>> stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty enablement stack >>>>> is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be >>>>> asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack >>>>> which would continue to be supported for the remaining life of >>>>> Precise. >>>>> >>>>> Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. >>>>> 12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default. >>>>> This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in >>>>> favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once that happens, our >>>>> final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd >>>>> enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropria
Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5
If there is enough interest and motivation from the community (including people who can actually help with the SRU), it can be discussed. As Jackson, I don't personally think it as a realistic thing to do at the moment either. Pasi On 07/02/14 22:03, Jackson Doak wrote: > 4.12 will be difficult to get to 14.04, let alone backporting it all > the way to precise > > > On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Roberto J Dohnert > mailto:robertdohn...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling > piece would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no > pun intended, release date. Releasing the trusty kernel through > updates would be optimal. Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux > team, are supporting 12.04 for two years past the scheduled Ubuntu > support date until 2019. So, we may do a 14.10 stack as our last > major release, we may work on that for Xubuntu as well. But that > will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that time. > > Roberto J. Dohnert > Lead Developer > Black Lab Linux > http://www.blacklablinux.org > > On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: >> If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release >> 12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core >> after .4. On the other hand, if there is something we want in, >> it's another possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates. >> >> I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support >> for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big >> SRU's now, since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly >> anyway. >> >> Cheers, >> Pasi >> >> On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote: >>> FYI >>> >>> How does this align with our planning? >>> >>> Stephen Michael Kellat >>> In the basement cafeteria on lunch >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> *From:* Leann Ogasawara >>> <mailto:leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com>> >>>> *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST >>>> *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> <mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com>, >>>> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> <mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>> *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5* >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea >>>> of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. >>>> >>>> As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped >>>> with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware >>>> enablement purposes. Maintainers of these enablement stacks >>>> have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement >>>> stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty enablement stack >>>> is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be >>>> asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack >>>> which would continue to be supported for the remaining life of >>>> Precise. >>>> >>>> Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. >>>> 12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default. >>>> This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in >>>> favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once that happens, our >>>> final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd >>>> enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I >>>> would like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise >>>> which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. >>>> >>>> Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional >>>> maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in >>>> Precise. It would require some extra effort on part of the >>>> Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team >>>> to spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination >>>> etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few members >>>> of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that >>>> 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be accommodated. >>>&g
Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5
4.12 will be difficult to get to 14.04, let alone backporting it all the way to precise On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Roberto J Dohnert wrote: > Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling piece > would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no pun intended, > release date. Releasing the trusty kernel through updates would be > optimal. Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux team, are supporting 12.04 for > two years past the scheduled Ubuntu support date until 2019. So, we may do > a 14.10 stack as our last major release, we may work on that for Xubuntu as > well. But that will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that time. > > Roberto J. Dohnert > Lead Developer > Black Lab Linux > http://www.blacklablinux.org > > On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: > > If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release 12.04.5 as > is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core after .4. On the other > hand, if there is something we want in, it's another possibility to get > stuff in an ISO, not just updates. > > I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support for 12.04, > so not sure if it makes any difference to land big SRU's now, since people > need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly anyway. > > Cheers, > Pasi > > On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote: > > FYI > > How does this align with our planning? > > Stephen Michael Kellat > In the basement cafeteria on lunch > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Leann Ogasawara > *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST > *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5* > > Hi All, > > With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of > having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. > > As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a > newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. > Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until > a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty > enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and > be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would > continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. > > Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 > shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement > stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement > stack. Once that happens, our final point release for Precise will be > delivering an EOL'd enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and > inappropriate. I would like to propose having a 5th point release for > Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. > > Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance > burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would > require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well > as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and > testing coordination etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few > members of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 > was a reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we > could find no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed > that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate > in. Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 > and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and > 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD). > > What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason > for not providing a 12.04.5 point release? > > Thanks, > Leann > > -- > Ubuntu-release mailing list > ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release > > > > > > -- > Pasi Lallinaho (knome) » http://open.knome.fi/ > Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu » http://shimmerproject.org/ > Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member » http://xubuntu.org/ > > > > > > -- > xubuntu-devel mailing list > xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel > > -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5
Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling piece would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no pun intended, release date. Releasing the trusty kernel through updates would be optimal. Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux team, are supporting 12.04 for two years past the scheduled Ubuntu support date until 2019. So, we may do a 14.10 stack as our last major release, we may work on that for Xubuntu as well. But that will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that time. Roberto J. Dohnert Lead Developer Black Lab Linux http://www.blacklablinux.org On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release 12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core after .4. On the other hand, if there is something we want in, it's another possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates. I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big SRU's now, since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly anyway. Cheers, Pasi On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote: FYI How does this align with our planning? Stephen Michael Kellat In the basement cafeteria on lunch Begin forwarded message: *From:* Leann Ogasawara <mailto:leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com>> *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com>, ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5* Hi All, With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I would like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few members of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we could find no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD). What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point release? Thanks, Leann -- Ubuntu-release mailing list ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release -- Pasi Lallinaho (knome) »http://open.knome.fi/ Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu »http://shimmerproject.org/ Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member »http://xubuntu.org/ -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote: > FYI > > How does this align with our planning? If it goes as smoothly as past point releases, it would require us to do testing of the ISOs but I don't think much else (unless we want to). -- Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph || Lyz || pleia2 http://www.princessleia.com -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5
If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release 12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core after .4. On the other hand, if there is something we want in, it's another possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates. I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big SRU's now, since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly anyway. Cheers, Pasi On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote: > FYI > > How does this align with our planning? > > Stephen Michael Kellat > In the basement cafeteria on lunch > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From:* Leann Ogasawara > <mailto:leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com>> >> *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST >> *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com >> <mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com>, >> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> >> *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5* >> >> Hi All, >> >> With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of >> having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. >> >> As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a >> newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. >> Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these >> until a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once >> a Trusty enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement >> stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based >> enablement stack which would continue to be supported for the >> remaining life of Precise. >> >> Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 >> shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy >> enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the >> Trusty enablement stack. Once that happens, our final point release >> for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd enablement stack. This seems >> unfortunate and inappropriate. I would like to propose having a 5th >> point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement >> stack for Precise. >> >> Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance >> burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would >> require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team >> as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of >> images and testing coordination etc. However, I informally discussed >> this with a few members of each of those teams and the tentative >> agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be >> accommodated. Collectively we could find no compelling reason to not >> provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be >> optional for the Flavors to participate in. Additionally, we would >> want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release >> dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after >> (exact date TBD). >> >> What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason >> for not providing a 12.04.5 point release? >> >> Thanks, >> Leann >> -- >> Ubuntu-release mailing list >> ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release > > -- Pasi Lallinaho (knome) » http://open.knome.fi/ Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu » http://shimmerproject.org/ Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member » http://xubuntu.org/ -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On 02/07/2014 11:00 AM, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > Hi All, > > With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a > 12.04.5 point release for Precise. > +1 I don't think we can reasonably do anything else. -- Jamie Strandboge http://www.ubuntu.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5
FYI How does this align with our planning? Stephen Michael Kellat In the basement cafeteria on lunch Begin forwarded message: > From: Leann Ogasawara > Date: February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST > To: ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: [RFC] 12.04.5 > > Hi All, > > With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a > 12.04.5 point release for Precise. > > As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer > kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. Maintainers > of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until a Trusty based > enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty enablement stack is > supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate > to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would continue to be > supported for the remaining life of Precise. > > Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 shipped > with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement stack in > Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once > that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd > enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I would like to > propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty > enablement stack for Precise. > > Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance burden > upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would require some > extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu > Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination > etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few members of each of > those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable > request which could be accommodated. Collectively we could find no > compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a 12.04.5 > release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. Additionally, > we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release > dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after (exact date > TBD). > > What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason for not > providing a 12.04.5 point release? > > Thanks, > Leann > -- > Ubuntu-release mailing list > ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On 02/07/2014 09:00 AM, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > Hi All, > > With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of > having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. > +1 -- Tim Gardner tim.gard...@canonical.com -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 09:20:06AM -0700, Adam Conrad wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:00:12AM -0800, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > > > > With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a > > 12.04.5 point release for Precise. > > FWIW, I think the engineering burden for doing this is worth the trade > off for it being The Right Thing To Do. +1 > ... Adam -- Stéphane Graber Ubuntu developer http://www.ubuntu.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: [RFC] 12.04.5
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 08:00:12AM -0800, Leann Ogasawara wrote: > > With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a > 12.04.5 point release for Precise. FWIW, I think the engineering burden for doing this is worth the trade off for it being The Right Thing To Do. ... Adam -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
[RFC] 12.04.5
Hi All, With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I would like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few members of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we could find no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD). What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point release? Thanks, Leann -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
