Re: Demote ltrace from standard to universe
On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:05:35AM +1200, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 05:55, Julian Andres Klode > wrote: > > Hi > > I was running ltrace today and noticed it doesn't really work at > > all anymore for binaries (tried ls, dpkg, apt, hello) in jammy, > > presumably due to PIE. > I think strictly speaking it's actually BIND_NOW rather than PIE directly > (although in practice the two come as a package): > https://alioth-lists-archive.debian.net/pipermail/ltrace-devel/2016-May/001378.html > > It also fails to build on various architectures, unmaintained since 4 > > years, and not really up to our quality standards anymore IMO. > > I'm proposing to remove this: > > https://code.launchpad.net/~juliank/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/+merge/418876 > > vorlon asked me to raise this here and get some feedback, > > does anyone have an objection to this? > I think it's a good idea. FWIW, there is another tool that does a similar > thing but using a more supported facility: latrace. This uses the LD_AUDIT > stuff in glibc. If there is desire to have this functionality in main > (something I'm not particularly confident of, to be sure), it would seem to > be a better choice. I /want/ to think of ltrace as an essential tool that I might need to reach for at random times. Having it as part of standard seems to follow from the idea that if you need it, it might matter to have it available for debugging in cases where apt isn't working. But having tested ltrace on impish and found that it doesn't work, it's clear that the tool was completely non-functional for a full 6 months without me noticing. Moreover, it's been non-functional for at least 6 months without anyone ELSE noticing and reporting a bug. Only when trying to fix build failures in the package in jammy has anyone finally noticed it was unusable. So it's not so essential that we need to keep it around in standard. And given that it's non-functional, I think it's fine to demote this to universe without replacement in main. If you think latrace is appropriate to support in main, then it's fine to put it through an MIR; but I don't think it's feasible, or necessary, for this to be done before the 22.04 LTS release. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer https://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Demote ltrace from standard to universe
On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 05:55, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > Hi > > I was running ltrace today and noticed it doesn't really work at > all anymore for binaries (tried ls, dpkg, apt, hello) in jammy, > presumably due to PIE. > I think strictly speaking it's actually BIND_NOW rather than PIE directly (although in practice the two come as a package): https://alioth-lists-archive.debian.net/pipermail/ltrace-devel/2016-May/001378.html It also fails to build on various architectures, unmaintained > since 4 years, and not really up to our quality standards > anymore IMO. > > I'm proposing to remove this: > > > https://code.launchpad.net/~juliank/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/+merge/418876 > > vorlon asked me to raise this here and get some feedback, > does anyone have an objection to this? > I think it's a good idea. FWIW, there is another tool that does a similar thing but using a more supported facility: latrace. This uses the LD_AUDIT stuff in glibc. If there is desire to have this functionality in main (something I'm not particularly confident of, to be sure), it would seem to be a better choice. Cheers, mwh > I know it's late in the cycle, but if the tool is (mostly) useless, > demoting it should actually help users to not waste their time. > -- > debian developer - deb.li/jak | jak-linux.org - free software dev > ubuntu core developer i speak de, en > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel > -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Demote ltrace from standard to universe
Hi I was running ltrace today and noticed it doesn't really work at all anymore for binaries (tried ls, dpkg, apt, hello) in jammy, presumably due to PIE. It also fails to build on various architectures, unmaintained since 4 years, and not really up to our quality standards anymore IMO. I'm proposing to remove this: https://code.launchpad.net/~juliank/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/+merge/418876 vorlon asked me to raise this here and get some feedback, does anyone have an objection to this? I know it's late in the cycle, but if the tool is (mostly) useless, demoting it should actually help users to not waste their time. -- debian developer - deb.li/jak | jak-linux.org - free software dev ubuntu core developer i speak de, en signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
