Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5
FYI How does this align with our planning? Stephen Michael Kellat In the basement cafeteria on lunch Begin forwarded message: From: Leann Ogasawara leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com Date: February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST To: ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [RFC] 12.04.5 Hi All, With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I would like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few members of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we could find no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD). What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point release? Thanks, Leann -- Ubuntu-release mailing list ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5
If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release 12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core after .4. On the other hand, if there is something we want in, it's another possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates. I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big SRU's now, since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly anyway. Cheers, Pasi On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote: FYI How does this align with our planning? Stephen Michael Kellat In the basement cafeteria on lunch Begin forwarded message: *From:* Leann Ogasawara leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com mailto:leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5* Hi All, With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I would like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few members of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we could find no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD). What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point release? Thanks, Leann -- Ubuntu-release mailing list ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release -- Pasi Lallinaho (knome) » http://open.knome.fi/ Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu » http://shimmerproject.org/ Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member » http://xubuntu.org/ -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5
Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling piece would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no pun intended, release date. Releasing the trusty kernel through updates would be optimal. Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux team, are supporting 12.04 for two years past the scheduled Ubuntu support date until 2019. So, we may do a 14.10 stack as our last major release, we may work on that for Xubuntu as well. But that will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that time. Roberto J. Dohnert Lead Developer Black Lab Linux http://www.blacklablinux.org On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release 12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core after .4. On the other hand, if there is something we want in, it's another possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates. I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big SRU's now, since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly anyway. Cheers, Pasi On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote: FYI How does this align with our planning? Stephen Michael Kellat In the basement cafeteria on lunch Begin forwarded message: *From:* Leann Ogasawara leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com mailto:leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5* Hi All, With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I would like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few members of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we could find no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD). What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point release? Thanks, Leann -- Ubuntu-release mailing list ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release -- Pasi Lallinaho (knome) »http://open.knome.fi/ Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu »http://shimmerproject.org/ Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member »http://xubuntu.org/ -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5
If there is enough interest and motivation from the community (including people who can actually help with the SRU), it can be discussed. As Jackson, I don't personally think it as a realistic thing to do at the moment either. Pasi On 07/02/14 22:03, Jackson Doak wrote: 4.12 will be difficult to get to 14.04, let alone backporting it all the way to precise On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Roberto J Dohnert robertdohn...@gmail.com mailto:robertdohn...@gmail.com wrote: Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling piece would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no pun intended, release date. Releasing the trusty kernel through updates would be optimal. Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux team, are supporting 12.04 for two years past the scheduled Ubuntu support date until 2019. So, we may do a 14.10 stack as our last major release, we may work on that for Xubuntu as well. But that will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that time. Roberto J. Dohnert Lead Developer Black Lab Linux http://www.blacklablinux.org On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release 12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core after .4. On the other hand, if there is something we want in, it's another possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates. I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big SRU's now, since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly anyway. Cheers, Pasi On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote: FYI How does this align with our planning? Stephen Michael Kellat In the basement cafeteria on lunch Begin forwarded message: *From:* Leann Ogasawara leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com mailto:leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5* Hi All, With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I would like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few members of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we could find no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD). What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point release? Thanks, Leann -- Ubuntu-release mailing list ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release -- Pasi Lallinaho (knome) » http://open.knome.fi/ Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu » http://shimmerproject.org/ Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member » http://xubuntu.org/ --
Re: Fwd: [RFC] 12.04.5
12.04.4 ISO installation testing looks good from a test case perspective (my experience). As stated below by Pasi, it would be possible to handle 12.04.4 to 12.04.5 via package updates and leave it alone for the most part. So, I'd rather see effort put in the customer migration of 12.04.x to 14.04 (combination of documentation, automation, and manual process). Moving from current LTS to new LTS has a higher payoff for all concerned. Richard On 02/07/2014 02:09 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: If there is enough interest and motivation from the community (including people who can actually help with the SRU), it can be discussed. As Jackson, I don't personally think it as a realistic thing to do at the moment either. Pasi On 07/02/14 22:03, Jackson Doak wrote: 4.12 will be difficult to get to 14.04, let alone backporting it all the way to precise On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Roberto J Dohnert robertdohn...@gmail.com mailto:robertdohn...@gmail.com wrote: Aside from the trusty enablment stack, the only other compelling piece would be XFCE 4.12, which I cant seem to get a precise, no pun intended, release date. Releasing the trusty kernel through updates would be optimal. Of course, we, the Black Lab Linux team, are supporting 12.04 for two years past the scheduled Ubuntu support date until 2019. So, we may do a 14.10 stack as our last major release, we may work on that for Xubuntu as well. But that will be determined on where 14.04 LTS is at that time. Roberto J. Dohnert Lead Developer Black Lab Linux http://www.blacklablinux.org On 02/07/2014 02:30 PM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: If we don't need to update the ISO really, we can just release 12.04.5 as is, with the updates that have landed to Ubuntu core after .4. On the other hand, if there is something we want in, it's another possibility to get stuff in an ISO, not just updates. I would note that there is only 1 year left of Xubuntu support for 12.04, so not sure if it makes any difference to land big SRU's now, since people need to upgrade to 14.04 somewhat shortly anyway. Cheers, Pasi On 07/02/14 20:12, Stephen Michael Kellat wrote: FYI How does this align with our planning? Stephen Michael Kellat In the basement cafeteria on lunch Begin forwarded message: *From:* Leann Ogasawara leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com mailto:leann.ogasaw...@canonical.com *Date:* February 7, 2014, 11:00:12 AM EST *To:* ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com *Subject:* *[RFC] 12.04.5* Hi All, With 12.04.4 having just released, I wanted to propose the idea of having a 12.04.5 point release for Precise. As many are aware, recent 12.04.x point releases have shipped with a newer kernel and X stack by default for hardware enablement purposes. Maintainers of these enablement stacks have agreed to support these until a Trusty based enablement stack is supported in Precise. Once a Trusty enablement stack is supported, all previous enablement stacks would EOL and be asked to migrate to the final Trusty based enablement stack which would continue to be supported for the remaining life of Precise. Currently, 12.04.4 is our final point release for Precise. 12.04.4 shipped with a Saucy enablement stack by default. This Saucy enablement stack in Precise will eventually EOL in favor of the Trusty enablement stack. Once that happens, our final point release for Precise will be delivering an EOL'd enablement stack. This seems unfortunate and inappropriate. I would like to propose having a 5th point release for Precise which would deliver the Trusty enablement stack for Precise. Providing a 12.04.5 point release will add no additional maintenance burden upon teams supporting enablement stacks in Precise. It would require some extra effort on part of the Canonical Foundations Team as well as the Ubuntu Release Team to spin up an additional set of images and testing coordination etc. However, I informally discussed this with a few members of each of those teams and the tentative agreement was that 12.04.5 was a reasonable request which could be accommodated. Collectively we could find no compelling reason to not provide 12.04.5. We also discussed that a 12.04.5 release should be optional for the Flavors to participate in. Additionally, we would want to purposely avoid clashing the 14.04.1 and 12.04.5 release dates and would suggest releasing 14.04.1 first and 12.04.5 after (exact date TBD). What are other's thoughts here? Does anyone have a compelling reason for not providing a 12.04.5 point
