Re: Trademark concerns with Chef/Cinc package included in Debian and Ubuntu

[Lucas Kanashiro]

Hi Rafael,

I reported this issue yesterday here:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/chef/+bug/1877462

Steve reviewed it and marked it as Invalid.

On 08/05/2020 10:14, Rafael David Tinoco wrote:
> Forwarding to Ubuntu Devel Mailing list for broader audience.
>
> Should I just open a [RM] bug for all Ubuntu versions ? Any thoughts ?

BTW just Focal would be affected.

Cheers!



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Re: Trademark concerns with Chef/Cinc package included in Debian and Ubuntu

[Rafael David Tinoco]

Forwarding to Ubuntu Devel Mailing list for broader audience.

Should I just open a [RM] bug for all Ubuntu versions ? Any thoughts ?

-rafaeldtinoco

On 07/05/2020 19:01, Lance Albertson wrote:
> I think removing it from Debian is the safe way to go currently. If
> you want assistance with how we build Cinc and how it could be adapted
> for Debian let me know. Also if there are any changes we can make on
> our end to make it easier.
>
> Thanks-
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 2:14 PM Antonio Terceiro  > wrote:
>
> On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 03:32:10PM -0400, benny Vasquez wrote:
> > Thanks, Lance!
> >
> > As he laid out, this packaged shipped as-is is a pretty serious
> violation
> > of our trademarks, and we'd like to see it addressed as soon as
> humanly
> > possible.
> >
> > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 2:40 PM Lance Albertson  > wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I'm a member of the Cinc Project [1] which rebuilds and
> rebrands various
> > > Chef projects to comply with Chef Trademark Policy [2]. We
> have worked
> > > closely with Chef to ensure Cinc Client complies with this policy.
> > >
> > > A member of our community notified us today that it appears
> that Ubuntu
> > > [3] and Debian [4] are both including a package called "chef"
> which seems
> > > to pull in the Cinc source code but doesn't fully comply with
> the Chef
> > > Trademark Policy. We are concerned that this use of the Cinc
> Client in the
> > > manner it's currently presented will create an issue for us
> and you in the
> > > future unless this gets resolved quickly.
> > >
> > > Specifically, we are concerned with the following:
> > >
> > > 1. The package name should be cinc and not chef as Chef is
> trademarked and
> > > also causes users to think they are installing Chef when they are
> > > installing Cinc
> > > 2. The package should have proper attributions to include the
> Cinc Project
> > > including pointing any issues related to the package to our
> issue page, and
> > > not Chef
> > > 2. Running "chef-client" (or other similar commands) does not
> tell the
> > > user that it's actually using Cinc Client as our package does
> properly
> > > 3. All of the trademark renaming we did in our Cinc Client
> distribution
> > > seems to have been removed and retains all of the Chef related
> paths (i.e.
> > > /etc/chef when it should be /etc/cinc). This will cause
> confusion for users
> > > who are expecting Cinc.
> > >
> > > We would like to work with the Debian/Ubuntu maintainers to
> ensure you're
> > > following compliance and also ensuring our distribution works
> well on
> > > Debian/Ubuntu. However we also want to ensure you don't get
> into any legal
> > > trouble with Chef. I am sure most of these changes weren't done
> > > intentionally and was a mistake.
> > >
> > > Feel free to reach out to us via the #community-distros
> channel on the
> > > Chef Community Slack, or you can reach me directly via IRC on
> Freenode as
> > > "Ramereth".  I've also cc'd Benny Vasquez who is a community
> manager at
> > > Chef who can answer any questions relating to this and provide any
> > > additional feedback.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > [1] https://cinc.sh/
> > > [2] https://www.chef.io/trademark-policy/
> > > [3] https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/chef
> > > [4] https://packages.debian.org/sid/chef
>
> I am inclined to just remove chef from Debian as a way of fixing this.
>
> Maybe I will package cinc from scratch. That would be easier if there
> were proper source releases.
>

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