Re: Ubuntu Release Sprint

2012-08-21 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
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a.gra...@gmail.com wrote on 20/08/12 09:18:
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> 
> On 20 August 2012 10:38, Matthew Paul Thomas  
> wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
>> On that page, you suggest having one of these sprints in July and
>> one in January.
>> 
>> Why not do it every week?
> 
> because even if we did an Hangout for the half of the blueprints 
> discussed in the previous UDS, it would take at least 4 hours for
> 5 days of the week.

Yes, but even if you were doing it every six months -- and
*especially* if you were doing it every week -- there would be no
point in having a Hangout for even half the blueprints. For most of
them, the only thing to say would be "welp, there's still no-one
working on this". (There are often sessions like this at UDS, for
example on the Common Printing Dialog, or two-factor authentication.)

Instead, have a Hangout only for those features that anyone is
actively working on that week.

> Imagine it like being at UDS:
> 
> ...

No, don't do that. UDS is not a good example of how to get work done.

> ...
>>> Maybe we should schedule a session at next UDS to talk about 
>>> this?
>> 
>> Why wait until then? Why not start now?
> 
> you are right! I was just thinking that maybe organizing this 
> face-to-face would be easier, but why don't we simply schedule 
> an Hangout session soon and discuss about it? It would be the best 
> way to test if it works :)
> 
> ...

So, here's what I suggest:

1.  Choose one of the features you're working on right now.

2.  Mail this list to say "I'm going to start a weekly Hangout about
{feature} next week. If you're interested, reply privately to tell
me how you're involved and which UTC hours you'll be available."

3.  After a few days, choose a time that most suits the people who are
most involved, and follow up to announce it.

Then if it turns out to be a good idea, people working on other
features will start doing the same thing.

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Re: Ubuntu Release Sprint

2012-08-20 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Hi!

On 20 August 2012 10:38, Matthew Paul Thomas  wrote:
> Excellent idea.

thank you for the reply and the feedback :)

> On that page, you suggest having one of these sprints in July and one
> in January.
>
> Why not do it every week?

because even if we did an Hangout for the half of the blueprints
discussed in the previous UDS, it would take at least 4 hours for 5
days of the week.

Imagine it like being at UDS: we usually have many parallel tracks, we
start at 9:00 in the morning and we usually finish at 17 or 18. You
would be able to spend all this time every week? Maybe smaller sprints
once a month would be doable, but every week I'm not convinced :)

Anyway, it would be a good start to organize at least one, let's see
how it goes, get feedback from developers and community contributor
about how to improve it and then use this feedback to organize a new
one.

>> Maybe we should schedule a session at next UDS to talk about this?
>>
> Why wait until then? Why not start now?

you are right! I was just thinking that maybe organizing this
face-to-face would be easier, but why don't we simply schedule an
Hangout session soon and discuss about it?
It would be the best way to test if it works :)

Best regards,

p.s: I'm available almost any day for the Hangout, starting from
18:00, Helsinki time.

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Re: Ubuntu Release Sprint

2012-08-20 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
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a.gra...@gmail.com wrote on 16/08/12 13:53:
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> 
> From an UDS and the next one, it would be useful to have a
> development sprint where people can talk about assigned UDS
> blueprints, at which point they are on their tasks, if they have
> any problems and if they will finish them within the next UDS.

Excellent idea.

> Of course Canonical cannot organize another meeting, it would be
> very expensive, so the idea is: why don't we use Google Hangout to
> organize the sprint? I has a limit of 10 people, I know, but we
> could select (for example) 5 from the community and 5 from
> Canonical. There would be parallel meeting and tracks, we would use
> the same blueprints used during the last UDS and we would add
> further notes. The attendees would be able to listen and watch the
> stream and make questions through the available chat.
> 
> I've also created a wiki page with more informations and you can
> find it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuReleaseSprint

On that page, you suggest having one of these sprints in July and one
in January.

Why not do it every week?

> What do you think about? I know that Canonical is already
> organizing sprints and this could be a way to involve more the
> Ubuntu Community.
> 
> Maybe we should schedule a session at next UDS to talk about this?
> 
> ...

Why wait until then? Why not start now?

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Ubuntu Release Sprint

2012-08-16 Thread Rajeev Bhatta
I think this is a great idea...

I am not very active in the group but this gives me an opportunity to be
part of the project and start contributing in any fashion I can.. I think
the community IRC support is great but probably we can use the google+
hangouts for that too as we can also share our desktops or documents.. it
makes support more social and personal, and also I think we can engage new
users much better. Using social networks will help market the great world
of open source and linux to a larger audience.

Just my 2 cents on the subject.

Thanks

Rajeev Bhatta
On Aug 16, 2012 11:31 AM, "a.gra...@gmail.com " > wrote:

> Hi,
>
> during the last UDS party, I had an idea to improve Ubuntu
> development, but I didn't know if it could be a good idea or a stupid
> one, so I talked to Daniel Holbach and David Planella about it and
> they were happy to hear about it and Daniel told me to talk about this
> directly to Mark (and I did it).
>
> Let's explain the basic idea.
>
> From an UDS and the next one, it would be useful to have a development
> sprint where people can talk about assigned UDS blueprints, at which
> point they are on their tasks, if they have any problems and if they
> will finish them within the next UDS.
>
> Of course Canonical cannot organize another meeting, it would be very
> expensive, so the idea is: why don't we use Google Hangout to organize
> the sprint? I has a limit of 10 people, I know, but we could select
> (for example) 5 from the community and 5 from Canonical. There would
> be parallel meeting and tracks, we would use the same blueprints used
> during the last UDS and we would add further notes. The attendees
> would be able to listen and watch the stream and make questions
> through the available chat.
>
> I've also created a wiki page with more informations and you can find
> it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuReleaseSprint
>
> What do you think about? I know that Canonical is already organizing
> sprints and this could be a way to involve more the Ubuntu Community.
>
> Maybe we should schedule a session at next UDS to talk about this?
>
> I hope to get some feedback from you.
>
> Best regards,
>
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> Ubuntu Member: https://launchpad.net/~andreagrandi
> website: http://www.andreagrandi.it
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Ubuntu Release Sprint

2012-08-16 Thread a.gra...@gmail.com
Hi,

during the last UDS party, I had an idea to improve Ubuntu
development, but I didn't know if it could be a good idea or a stupid
one, so I talked to Daniel Holbach and David Planella about it and
they were happy to hear about it and Daniel told me to talk about this
directly to Mark (and I did it).

Let's explain the basic idea.

>From an UDS and the next one, it would be useful to have a development
sprint where people can talk about assigned UDS blueprints, at which
point they are on their tasks, if they have any problems and if they
will finish them within the next UDS.

Of course Canonical cannot organize another meeting, it would be very
expensive, so the idea is: why don't we use Google Hangout to organize
the sprint? I has a limit of 10 people, I know, but we could select
(for example) 5 from the community and 5 from Canonical. There would
be parallel meeting and tracks, we would use the same blueprints used
during the last UDS and we would add further notes. The attendees
would be able to listen and watch the stream and make questions
through the available chat.

I've also created a wiki page with more informations and you can find
it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuReleaseSprint

What do you think about? I know that Canonical is already organizing
sprints and this could be a way to involve more the Ubuntu Community.

Maybe we should schedule a session at next UDS to talk about this?

I hope to get some feedback from you.

Best regards,

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Ubuntu Member: https://launchpad.net/~andreagrandi
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