Vino should not be included in the default install

2011-06-03 Thread Jane Atkinson

Hi

I originally posted this message as [Bug 790009] on Launchpad.
It was suggested that this list is a better place for the suggestion.
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Having remote desktop as an option in the default installation
creates a security risk.

It invites new users to enable it, not understanding the security
implications. They then end up with unwanted connections to their
machine. A quick look around the security discussions forum on
ubuntuforums shows that this happens quite frequently.

I propose that it should be removed from the LiveCD. If a remote connection
program is needed, then something that*requires*  SSH tunnelling could be
provided.

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Re: Vino should not be included in the default install

2011-06-03 Thread Kees Cook
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 11:36:03AM -0500, Mario Limonciello wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:16, Bilal Akhtar bilalakh...@ubuntu.com wrote:
  I originally posted this message as [Bug 790009] on Launchpad.
  It was suggested that this list is a better place for the suggestion.
  --
 
  Having remote desktop as an option in the default installation
  creates a security risk.
 
  It invites new users to enable it, not understanding the security
  implications. They then end up with unwanted connections to their
  machine. A quick look around the security discussions forum on
  ubuntuforums shows that this happens quite frequently.
 
  I propose that it should be removed from the LiveCD. If a remote connection
  program is needed, then something that*requires*  SSH tunnelling could be
  provided.
 
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  Jane Atkinson
  (Irihapeti)
 
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 Removing sounds like a fairly heavy footed approach.  If the UI to enable it
 isn't informative enough to explain the security implications, perhaps that
 UI should just be improved instead.

The UI defaults to pretty reasonable settings. Unless those have changed
since I've last looked, I don't think it's a concern.

-Kees

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Re: Vino should not be included in the default install

2011-06-03 Thread Jim Kielman

On 11-06-03 09:36 AM, Mario Limonciello wrote:

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:16, Bilal Akhtarbilalakh...@ubuntu.com  wrote:


Hi

I originally posted this message as [Bug 790009] on Launchpad.
It was suggested that this list is a better place for the suggestion.
--

Having remote desktop as an option in the default installation
creates a security risk.

It invites new users to enable it, not understanding the security
implications. They then end up with unwanted connections to their
machine. A quick look around the security discussions forum on
ubuntuforums shows that this happens quite frequently.

I propose that it should be removed from the LiveCD. If a remote connection
program is needed, then something that*requires*  SSH tunnelling could be
provided.

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(Irihapeti)

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Removing sounds like a fairly heavy footed approach.  If the UI to enable it
isn't informative enough to explain the security implications, perhaps that
UI should just be improved instead.



The UI allows the user to setup remote access without a password, either 
a password should be generated automatically, or it shouldn't be enabled 
without having to enter a password manually, and I really feel that uPNP 
shouldn't be an option during setup.
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