Re: ML for ubuntu+1
shirish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I looked at http://lists.ubuntu.com while there is a ubuntu-users is that where people should post queries like the one I am going to put up next or here. Shouldn't there be a dedicated ML for the next development release. While we have this ML its seems to be more about crystal-gazing, implementation in the near term not with the specifics of issues arising in the distro. one is using now. (gutsy 7.10) quoting https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-devel-discuss: About Ubuntu-devel-discuss * Sharing of experiences with the current development branch of Ubuntu * Technical questions about new features in the development branch * Ideas and suggestions about future development of Ubuntu * Point of contact for Ubuntu users to reach Ubuntu developers * Open to all to subscribe, posting moderated for non-subscribers I agree that the description doesn't really match with reality that much, but the text above states what this mailing list was actually intended for, and it seems to me that this is exactly what you ask for. Perhaps we should more actively promote this mailing list to our testers to report about issues? -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: wxwidgets for Ubuntu 7.10
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:09:55 +0100 From: Chris Warburton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wxwidgets for Ubuntu 7.10 To: Ubuntu Devel Discuss ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain BOINC is already in Ubuntu Universe. The boinc-client package will run as a daemon when the system boots up, and it can be controlled by boing-manager and kboincspy (for GNOME and KDE respectively). If you really want to build the SVN version then I would recommend using the build-dep option of APT. For instance, you can run the command: sudo apt-get build-dep boinc-client and that will fetch any packages needed to build Ubuntu's BOIC client package (and presumably those will be the same as the SVN code needs). There is a page on the help Wiki at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldCommunityGridTeamUbuntu Hope that helps Chris Warbo Warburton Hi Chris, Thanx for replying so soon. I tried to use apt-get build-dep boinc-client and it gave me the following dependencies :- automake1.9 dh-buildinfo diffstat docbook2x libwxbase2.6-dev libwxgtk2.6-dev libxml-namespacesupport-perl libxml-sax-expat-perl libxml-sax-perl opensp quilt wx2.6-headers Now while I don't know others , I know for sure that it needs wxwidgets 2.8 for sure, so all those 2.6 wouldn't work. The svn client of boinc is 5.11.0 therein lies the issue :( I did see a similar solution proposed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/105234/comments/59 I truly wish things were that simple ;) Another thing, let's see I try the above command it messes up my stuff, is there anyway to uninstall the build-dep of the above command? sudo apt-get build-dep boinc-client Now is there some sort of undo or uninstall the build-dep of boinc-client in case it doesn't work out (although I'm sure it won't) . I'm not just interested in the boinc-client but also the boinc-manager which is part of the same process. Lemme know if you come to know anything more. Couple of links in case if somebody is interested :- http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BuildSystem http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient Cheers! -- Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: wxwidgets for Ubuntu 7.10
On Sat, 2007-08-18 at 15:38 +0100, Chris Warburton wrote: Using unpackaged software can be a bit of a nightmare like this, so you might want to suggest the newer version to be packaged (I am not sure of the policy on this, it may be to file a bug in Launchpad, but I'm sure someone will reply with the right way to go about requesting it). The procedure for requesting new upstream versions is to file a bug with the corresponding source package in Ubuntu, and attach the upgrade tag to it. m. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ML for ubuntu+1
Message: 5 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:12:55 +0200 From: Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ML for ubuntu+1 To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Cc: shirish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii shirish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I looked at http://lists.ubuntu.com while there is a ubuntu-users is that where people should post queries like the one I am going to put up next or here. Shouldn't there be a dedicated ML for the next development release. While we have this ML its seems to be more about crystal-gazing, implementation in the near term not with the specifics of issues arising in the distro. one is using now. (gutsy 7.10) quoting https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-devel-discuss: About Ubuntu-devel-discuss * Sharing of experiences with the current development branch of Ubuntu * Technical questions about new features in the development branch * Ideas and suggestions about future development of Ubuntu * Point of contact for Ubuntu users to reach Ubuntu developers * Open to all to subscribe, posting moderated for non-subscribers I agree that the description doesn't really match with reality that much, but the text above states what this mailing list was actually intended for, and it seems to me that this is exactly what you ask for. Perhaps we should more actively promote this mailing list to our testers to report about issues? -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 -- Hi Richard, That would be surely better, maybe also give ubotu something to speak about in IRC once or twice a day so some people who are on #ubuntu+1 can catch it. Message: 8 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:10:19 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ML for ubuntu+1 To: Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com, shirish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Hello! I'm not sure if you all come to ubuntuforums or not. We actually have several sub-forums for development. The dev sub-forums gets archived (ie closed for posting) after the version gets released. Currently, its Development (Gutsy Gibbon) [1]. A new one will be created when the first +1 snapshot is out. In addition, there are two sections, Gutsy Gibbon Idea Pool [2] and Dev Link Forum [3]. I think the devel-discuss mailing list could be promoted in these UF sub-forums, and more relationships established between ml and forums, so that everyone, and the +1 release, benefit. Any thoughts? Cheers, Isabelle. [1] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=238 [2] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=253 [3] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=265 -- bapoumba Hi Isabelle, From what little experience I have had of the forums, they are good for generation of ideas but as far as seeking advice is concerned, I didn't have good advice from the forum than the mailing list or the IRC. Maybe one of the reasons might be that IRC is logged while the mailing list is also archived is probably read more by the powers that be. So even if there is no active moderation there is some kind of passive moderation. People are more careful to what they give advice about generally people are polite towards each other which makes for more healthy community I guess. Now while I do admit that the Idea Pool is a great concept let's say we get something like 5000 odd good ideas, from what little I have seen, Ubuntu can do only let's say 15-20 odd features, and that I'm not saying at all in a bad away. Apart from the bug-fixes new looks/UI that upstream (debian. GNOME, KDE various other upstream projects provide), there is also lot of bug-testing involved. Heck we take a month half for making sure that its a bug-free release mostly. Anyway now I'm kinda meandering off as its past my bed-time so end it just by saying, thanx all for your guidance. -- Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ML for ubuntu+1
On Sat, 2007-08-18 at 12:10 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition, there are two sections, Gutsy Gibbon Idea Pool [2] and Dev Link Forum [3]. I think the devel-discuss mailing list could be promoted in these UF sub-forums, and more relationships established between ml and forums, so that everyone, and the +1 release, benefit. I'm not a very forumy kind of person (I prefer anything that can to run outside my web browser), but was just wondering if the idea pool forums could integrate with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IdeaPool more. For every release I see people posting the same ideas in forums, in release-specific wiki pages, etc. and I think that a lot of effort could be saved by checking a few release-independent lists somewhere and seeing that an idea has already been proposed rather than posting it again, and for features which don't make a release (which is usually most, due to the masses of proposed ideas) there is no need to post them again and again for each development release. I know the IdeaPool wiki page isn't in particularly good shape, but I've been spending a bit of time over the last week giving it some kind of structure and removing redundant entries (ones which are either posted twice or already implemented), so I think it has the potential to become more useful than it is now. If the forums carry on as-is then I would really suggest a release-independent idea pool so ideas don't need to be reposted, and a good structure to make it easy to look after (getting rid of duplicates, removing implemented features, etc.) and easy to browse to get useful information out of it and to prevent duplicates from people who didn't see the original. A great system for this would probably be something along the lines of Dell's Ideastorm, but integrating something like that with the existing infrastructure would be difficult. Thanks, Chris -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ML for ubuntu+1
On Sat, 2007-08-18 at 20:26 +0100, Chris Warburton wrote: I'm not a very forumy kind of person (I prefer anything that can to run outside my web browser), but was just wondering if the idea pool forums could integrate with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IdeaPool more. For every release I see people posting the same ideas in forums, in release-specific wiki pages, etc. and I think that a lot of effort could be saved by checking a few release-independent lists somewhere and seeing that an idea has already been proposed rather than posting it again, and for features which don't make a release (which is usually most, due to the masses of proposed ideas) there is no need to post them again and again for each development release. I know the IdeaPool wiki page isn't in particularly good shape, but I've been spending a bit of time over the last week giving it some kind of structure and removing redundant entries (ones which are either posted twice or already implemented), so I think it has the potential to become more useful than it is now. If the forums carry on as-is then I would really suggest a release-independent idea pool so ideas don't need to be reposted, and a good structure to make it easy to look after (getting rid of duplicates, removing implemented features, etc.) and easy to browse to get useful information out of it and to prevent duplicates from people who didn't see the original. A release-independent idea pool section has been discussed a few times in the forums, and I too think it's a better idea than the existing structure, though not precisely for the reasons you cite. I'm part of the Forum Ambassadors team [1] and I keep a close eye on the Idea Pool section; we get lots of redundant ideas, even redundant with what's already been posted regarding the release in progress. Basically, the problem is that forum members in general don't have a habit of checking what's already been posted, and what's already in progress. A huge release-independent idea pool will increase people's reluctance to look for what's already been posted in the worst case, and won't make much difference in the best. The long term solution to that problem is to better educate new users about proper etiquette and on how to participate in the development process, and the short term one is to employ more moderators. A great system for this would probably be something along the lines of Dell's Ideastorm, but integrating something like that with the existing infrastructure would be difficult. That too has been discussed [2] multiple times. For various reasons [3], I think it's not a very good idea. [1] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=235 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumAmbassadors [2] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=440244 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=383914 [3] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2637204postcount=7 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2656565postcount=18 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2676540postcount=54 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ML for ubuntu+1
On Sat, 2007-08-18 at 23:25 +0300, Murat Gunes wrote: A release-independent idea pool section has been discussed a few times in the forums, and I too think it's a better idea than the existing structure, though not precisely for the reasons you cite. I'm part of the Forum Ambassadors team [1] and I keep a close eye on the Idea Pool section; we get lots of redundant ideas, even redundant with what's already been posted regarding the release in progress. Basically, the problem is that forum members in general don't have a habit of checking what's already been posted, and what's already in progress. A huge release-independent idea pool will increase people's reluctance to look for what's already been posted in the worst case, and won't make much difference in the best. The long term solution to that problem is to better educate new users about proper etiquette and on how to participate in the development process, and the short term one is to employ more moderators. A great system for this would probably be something along the lines of Dell's Ideastorm, but integrating something like that with the existing infrastructure would be difficult. That too has been discussed [2] multiple times. For various reasons [3], I think it's not a very good idea. I agree with the problems that such a system could cause if it was made in an official-looking way. I was just trying to think of a way of organising a massive idea pool so people could quickly see if their idea had been proposed. The digg/ideastorm thought was just a quick thought for a scalable system that wouldn't require masses of manual administration, and to be honest I wasn't even thinking about it in a vote-for-what-you-want way, I was just thinking that having popular ideas at the top would prevent a lot of the duplication since these ideas would be the ones prone to repetition and would be easy to spot by people about to repeat them. Trying to organise the IdeaPool page on the Wiki has made me realise that arbitrary hierarchies aren't perfect (I know this from my own filesystem, since I am pretty obsessive about organisation in my home folder) and that crossovers are a problem (ie. a configuration tool like network-manager could go in hardware or in desktop enhancements, different people would look in different places). I enjoy trying to solve problems like these mentally, that's where the Ideastorm thought came from is all. Thanks, Chris -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ML for ubuntu+1
On Saturday 18 August 2007 16:50, Chris Warburton wrote: I enjoy trying to solve problems like these mentally, that's where the Ideastorm thought came from is all. The one to work on I think is getting more actual development done. I don't think we lack for good ideas. I think we lack for people standing up and doing the work. Before you start moaning about employees can be told what to do (the usual response I get to this sort of point), most developers are not paid developers (myself for one). You can't order volunteers around. The paid devs are (and should be) focused on stuff that helps Canonical attract the customer base that buys support contracts. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ML for ubuntu+1
On Sat, 2007-08-18 at 17:01 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Saturday 18 August 2007 16:50, Chris Warburton wrote: I enjoy trying to solve problems like these mentally, that's where the Ideastorm thought came from is all. The one to work on I think is getting more actual development done. I don't think we lack for good ideas. I think we lack for people standing up and doing the work. Before you start moaning about employees can be told what to do (the usual response I get to this sort of point), most developers are not paid developers (myself for one). You can't order volunteers around. The paid devs are (and should be) focused on stuff that helps Canonical attract the customer base that buys support contracts. Scott K I know this. I'm doing some programming right now, but still only small personal stuff because I've only just started to learn (I don't want to break Ubuntu trough my incompetance). I started to learn how to program precisely because I want to help out, and I also know that there's no other way to get any of my ideas expressed. We're not all ungrateful I-use-Ubuntu-because-I-can't-be-bothered-to-pirate-Windows people y'know :) Cheers, Chris PS: Don't take that in a bad way, I just felt a bit peeved that I've spent all day in front of an IDE only to be told I should be doing some development :) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ML for ubuntu+1
On Saturday 18 August 2007 17:18, Chris Warburton wrote: On Sat, 2007-08-18 at 17:01 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Saturday 18 August 2007 16:50, Chris Warburton wrote: I enjoy trying to solve problems like these mentally, that's where the Ideastorm thought came from is all. The one to work on I think is getting more actual development done. I don't think we lack for good ideas. I think we lack for people standing up and doing the work. Before you start moaning about employees can be told what to do (the usual response I get to this sort of point), most developers are not paid developers (myself for one). You can't order volunteers around. The paid devs are (and should be) focused on stuff that helps Canonical attract the customer base that buys support contracts. Scott K I know this. I'm doing some programming right now, but still only small personal stuff because I've only just started to learn (I don't want to break Ubuntu trough my incompetance). I started to learn how to program precisely because I want to help out, and I also know that there's no other way to get any of my ideas expressed. We're not all ungrateful I-use-Ubuntu-because-I-can't-be-bothered-to-pirate-Windows people y'know :) Cheers, Chris PS: Don't take that in a bad way, I just felt a bit peeved that I've spent all day in front of an IDE only to be told I should be doing some development :) Understand, but that wasn't my point. I was trying to say rather than trying to figure out how to organize new ideas better, I think it would be more generally useful to spend time figuring out how to get more people developing. Thanks for diving in and starting to learn. You can also dive in and work on packaging at #ubuntu-motu (you do not need to be a programmer to learn how to help out with packaging). Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
