Re: Adobe Acrobat Reader Plugin

2007-12-01 Thread Evan
So theoretically, I'd want to nominate mozplugger to be included by default
in Hardy (pre-setup with evince and maybe some other if anyone can think of
them). That bug definitely needs to be fixed before that can happen though.

On Dec 1, 2007 11:41 PM, Daniel Robitaille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Evan wrote:
> > I know that Ubuntu comes with a program to read pdfs, but one of the
> > features I miss from the full Acrobat Reader is the browser plugin that
> > displays pdfs in the browser rather than launching them in a new window.
> > Is there a way to achieve this in Ubuntu? If so, I'd like to nominate it
> > for Hardy.
> >
> > Evan
> >
>
> isn't that something mozplugger can do by calling evince?
>
> But it seems it doesn't work in some cases:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozplugger/+bug/145064
>
>
>
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Re: Adobe Acrobat Reader Plugin

2007-12-01 Thread Daniel Robitaille
Evan wrote:
> I know that Ubuntu comes with a program to read pdfs, but one of the 
> features I miss from the full Acrobat Reader is the browser plugin that 
> displays pdfs in the browser rather than launching them in a new window. 
> Is there a way to achieve this in Ubuntu? If so, I'd like to nominate it 
> for Hardy.
> 
> Evan
> 

isn't that something mozplugger can do by calling evince?

But it seems it doesn't work in some cases:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozplugger/+bug/145064




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Adobe Acrobat Reader Plugin

2007-12-01 Thread Evan
I know that Ubuntu comes with a program to read pdfs, but one of the
features I miss from the full Acrobat Reader is the browser plugin that
displays pdfs in the browser rather than launching them in a new window. Is
there a way to achieve this in Ubuntu? If so, I'd like to nominate it for
Hardy.

Evan
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Re: Patent issues with automatic codec installation (was: Automatic installation of DVD CSS support)

2007-12-01 Thread Aaron Whitehouse
> If the debate absolutely must take place then

I originally drafted a reply addressing each of the points people have
raised. I don't agree with a lot of what has been said, but I think I
can state my ultimate point a lot more succinctly.

The implicit suggestion in the above comments is that we shouldn't
have this discussion. If we naively continue distributing software
that we know is unlikely to be legal for some users, Ubuntu may be
exposed to legal threats. If Ubuntu doesn't have a reliable risk
assessment from lawyers in each country, perhaps the default position
should be one that we know is legal.

Presumably there is a reason that Fedora encourages people to pay
money and use Codec Buddy. Unless all of the Ubuntu team is confident
that their current stance is legal, perhaps they should take a safer
one until they have that level of comfort.

Aaron

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Re: Patent issues with automatic codec installation (was: Automatic installation of DVD CSS support)

2007-12-01 Thread Fergal Daly
On 01/12/2007, Greg K Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps a good compromise would be to default to Codec Buddy and have
> > a button for "Multiverse Codecs". When the user clicks the button,
> > they could be presented with a message *actively discouraging* them
> > from using the multiverse versions and highlighting that they are
> > likely to break the law if they do so.
> They aren't *likely* to break the law; lots of people live in countries
> without software patent legislation.

I almost replied to Aaron earlier on but I decided to wait to see if
anyone else did. I think there are several things in the original mail
that are not correct or are true, false or undecided depending on the
location of the user and maybe other factors.

Basically I think a discussion by software people on what is and isn't
legal in various jurisdictions is a lot of fun if you like that sort
of thing but ultimately unproductive. If there's any debate over
whether a particular practice is legal (in which jurisdiction?) then
you should ask a lawyer. If the debate absolutely must take place then
every point should be backed up with references to written laws or
court decisions, so that people can see that something isn't merely
your idea of how a legal system would work if it made sense (they
frequently don't).

Otherwise you're doing the modern day equivalent of debating how
angels can dance on the head of a pin,

F

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Re: Patent issues with automatic codec installation (was: Automatic installation of DVD CSS support)

2007-12-01 Thread Greg K Nicholson

> Perhaps a good compromise would be to default to Codec Buddy and have
> a button for "Multiverse Codecs". When the user clicks the button,
> they could be presented with a message *actively discouraging* them
> from using the multiverse versions and highlighting that they are
> likely to break the law if they do so.
They aren't *likely* to break the law; lots of people live in countries
without software patent legislation.



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