Re: About "Windows Client Integration" blueprint

[Mathias Gug]

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 08:23:47PM +0100, Dries Desmet wrote:
> Is that version 4.0.4 of authtool? What packages are involved in this 
> spec? Also, can't find a link on [1] for yesterday's meeting. Is it 
> available somewhere?

The specification refers to Likewise Open [1]. I've posted the minutes
of yesterday's meetings [2]. If you're interested in testing it, I'd
suggest to join the ubunut-server mailing list [3].


[1]: http://www.likewisesoftware.com/community/
[2]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080130
[3]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server

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Re: AppArmor

[Mathias Gug]

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:17:49PM +0100, Fabio Marzocca wrote:
> is from Nov. I was speaking about a GUI for apparmor: why will it be
> included in Server? I thought it was a useful tool for desktops too.
> 

Upstream has a gnome applet to monitor AppArmor events. However it's not
packaged in Ubuntu yet. Help is this area is welcomed.

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Re: metashell - User Friendly Shell

[Jan Claeys]

Op maandag 28-01-2008 om 09:43 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Matthew
Paul Thomas:
> FWIW, it's also what Darwin uses (and NextStep before it used) for the
> same purpose.
> 

Also, 'fish' has 'open' as a built-in.


> Whatever the word chosen, I think prepending "gnome-", "xdg-", or
> anything like that is exposing an irrelevant implementation detail.

+1

I would be happy to have an "alternative" setting to point to gnome- or
xdg- applications as the user/sysadmin prefers though...


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Re: Crashed with signal 5

[Sebastien Bacher]

Le jeudi 31 janvier 2008 à 21:38 +0100, Thomas Novin a écrit :

> Is this known? They must all be related (from a spectators view).

Hi,

That was due to gnome-session and an updated version has been uploaded

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[Fwd: Acceptable use of rpath]

[Andrew Hunter]

Hey Everyone,

I have posted this to -motu list and not received a response after a
week, I was recommended to cross-post.

After doing some additional research, the rpath stays internal. I
compiled Jahwidgets (part of the Jahshaka project) and dumped the .so
headers and there are no rpaths there.

As for attempting to mangle the install directories, this breaks any
downstream programs.

So now I open it up the devel list?

Perhaps we can get a definitive policy on what are the appropriate
exceptions for rpath?

Thanks,

Andrew

 Original Message 
Subject: Acceptable use of rpath
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:42:39 +
From: Andrew Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ubuntu MOTU Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hello everyone,

Based on conversations on irc, I thought it would be appropriate to take
this question to the general knowledge of the MOTU team. I am packaging
Open Libraries [1][2], a set of cross platform multimedia libs developed
out the of the Jahshaka project that leverage FFmpeg and MLT.

The problem that I have encountered, most likely due to the main devs of
the projects coming from a non-linux background, is the setting of
rpath in some, but not all, of the component libraries. My attempts to
strip the rpaths from the libs have resulted in general breakage. This
is due to the upstream installing the libs to a (very) nonstandard
directory structure. Specifically, Open Libraries are installed to
$(prefix)/lib/openlibraries-//lib or plugin/. The rpath
in the plugin .sos define the location of the the main libraries.

I have examined Debian's policy on rpath[3] and believe that
openlibraries falls within the exception to it as:

1) The rpaths are only used internally between libs

2) It is distributed as an entire package. It is highly unlikely that
one would only build one of the components.

I have been in contact with the upstream and they have stripped out most
of the rpaths down to what exists now:

[quoted from emails with upstream]
>Well, these are due to dependencies on the Makefiles. Without
>significantly alter how this whole thing gets compiled and installed
>they're to be expected.
>The plan was to have side by side installations of different versions
>and that's why it was done this way.
  >> Here is a link to why Debian discourages the use of rpath:
  >> http://wiki.debian.org/RpathIssue
>
>Fair enough. But we use libtool here and libtool must be adding them
>since no rpaths are now present in configure. Makefile.am or m4
>macros of both openlibraries and jahshaka.

As I see it, I have several options:

1) Leave it as it is. I would not change any of the rpaths or mangle the
install to have it install to the standard directories. The reasons for
doing this is that it would not break compatibility with any apps that
have been written with OpenLibs.

2) Mangle the packages. Change all rpaths to NEEDED, install to standard
directories and find a way to make things work.

3) Pester upstream to fix things.

I will be doing 3) regardless, so my question is related to 1) and 2).

What defines an acceptable use of rpath :)

Thanks,

Andrew

[1] http://www.openlibraries.org
[2] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=openlibraries
[3] http://www.jahshaka.org
[4] http://wiki.debian.org/RpathIssue

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Re: AppArmor

[Fabio Marzocca]

On Jan 31, 2008 6:48 PM, Mathias Gug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The state of AppArmor in Hardy can tracked in the wiki [1]. If you're
> interested in helping out with AppArmor you should considering getting
> involved with the Ubuntu Server Team [2] which is responsible for
> taking care of AppArmor in Ubuntu.


Hi Mathias,

Thanks for your reply. I have seen that wiki page but the last update
is from Nov. I was speaking about a GUI for apparmor: why will it be
included in Server? I thought it was a useful tool for desktops too.

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Crashed with signal 5

[Thomas Novin]

Hello

There seems to have been an enormous number of users having (including
me) problems with programs crashing with signal 5 after upgrades in the
last 24 hours.

Every time my installation starts I get 4-5 crashes. If I try to
start/use Pidgin, Evolution I get crashes. If I try to unlock some
administrative tool I get a crash etc.

Is this known? They must all be related (from a spectators view).

To workaround this problem you can start a program from the terminal OK
if you unset the variable G_DEBUG first.

This search finds "a few":

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=%22crashed+with
+signal+5%22&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%
3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%
3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%
3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%
3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=

I could have submitted +5 more than the 4 I have reported today but I
don't see the point.

This must be a absolute showstopper for Alpha 4?

Rgds,

Thomas Novin



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Re: About "Windows Client Integration" blueprint

[Dries Desmet]

Mathias Gug wrote:
> Hi Fabrizio,
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:17:00PM +0100, Fabrizio Balliano wrote:
>   
>>> This looks like a server team blueprint to me so you might try their
>>> specific mailing list.
>>>   
>> I'll try but it doesn't seem to me to be a "server only" task because
>> we're talking about authenticate a workstation against an AD, not
>> create a AD server, anyway I'll write to the server ML too.
>> 
>
> Brian is correct. The integration of likewise is undertaken by the
> Server Team [1]. As mentioned during yesterday's server team meeting,
> version 4.0.4 should be uploaded in universe within the next few days.
> It comes with a new Gtk based GUI to join a domain. A CLI is also
> available. Help in testing it is always welcomed !
>
> [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
>
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>
>   
Is that version 4.0.4 of authtool? What packages are involved in this 
spec? Also, can't find a link on [1] for yesterday's meeting. Is it 
available somewhere?

Thanks.

[1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server

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Re: About "Windows Client Integration" blueprint

[Mathias Gug]

Hi Fabrizio,

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:17:00PM +0100, Fabrizio Balliano wrote:
> > This looks like a server team blueprint to me so you might try their
> > specific mailing list.
> 
> I'll try but it doesn't seem to me to be a "server only" task because
> we're talking about authenticate a workstation against an AD, not
> create a AD server, anyway I'll write to the server ML too.

Brian is correct. The integration of likewise is undertaken by the
Server Team [1]. As mentioned during yesterday's server team meeting,
version 4.0.4 should be uploaded in universe within the next few days.
It comes with a new Gtk based GUI to join a domain. A CLI is also
available. Help in testing it is always welcomed !

[1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam

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Re: AppArmor

[Mathias Gug]

Hi Fabio,

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:04:47PM +0100, Fabio Marzocca wrote:
> I have browsed thru the wiki and launchpad, but I didn't find a clear
> statement about ongoing apparmor development for Hardy.

The state of AppArmor in Hardy can tracked in the wiki [1]. If you're
interested in helping out with AppArmor you should considering getting
involved with the Ubuntu Server Team [2] which is responsible for
taking care of AppArmor in Ubuntu.

[1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyAppArmor
[2]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam

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Re: About "Windows Client Integration" blueprint

[Fabrizio Balliano]

> This looks like a server team blueprint to me so you might try their
> specific mailing list.

I'll try but it doesn't seem to me to be a "server only" task because
we're talking about authenticate a workstation against an AD, not
create a AD server, anyway I'll write to the server ML too.

Just as a reference, I wrote also to the assignee of the blueprint but
I didn't get any answer.

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Re: About "Windows Client Integration" blueprint

[Brian Murray]

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0800, George Farris wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 19:04 +0100, Fabrizio Balliano wrote:
> > Hi to all,
> > I'm following with a lot of interest this blueprint for hardy:
> > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/windows-authentication-integration
> > which will allow users to easily authenticate agains an active directory.
> > 
> > That blueprint is marked "essential" but I can't find any info about
> > the development progress, I also wrote the author but I got no answer.
> > Does anyone have info about that?
> 
> So, is there any movement on this stuff?  Seems one of those "must
> haves" to move Ubuntu into more serious enterprise usage.

This looks like a server team blueprint to me so you might try their
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AppArmor

[Fabio Marzocca]

I have browsed thru the wiki and launchpad, but I didn't find a clear
statement about ongoing apparmor development for Hardy. A centralized
control panel is very much needed, as a general GUI too, a-la SuSe.
AppArmor is great and it could easily extend Ubuntu's installations
into Companies and Enterprises.

Fabio

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Re: About "Windows Client Integration" blueprint

[George Farris]

On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 19:04 +0100, Fabrizio Balliano wrote:
> Hi to all,
> I'm following with a lot of interest this blueprint for hardy:
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/windows-authentication-integration
> which will allow users to easily authenticate agains an active directory.
> 
> That blueprint is marked "essential" but I can't find any info about
> the development progress, I also wrote the author but I got no answer.
> Does anyone have info about that?

So, is there any movement on this stuff?  Seems one of those "must
haves" to move Ubuntu into more serious enterprise usage.

There seemed to be no response to the above question.

Comments appreciated.

Thanks




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Re: sound on the lenovo X.61?

[Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)]

Hi David

David Meyer wrote:
>   Seems not to work. Anyone else seen this?

This is not the correct list for support, please try one of the
following linkshttp://ubuntuforums.org/ instead:

 * https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
 * https://answers.launchpad.net/
 * http://ubuntuforums.org/

FWIW, check if your modem is enabled. On many Lenovo laptops, your sound
will be gone if your modem is disabled.

-Jonathan

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sound on the lenovo X.61?

[David Meyer]

Seems not to work. Anyone else seen this?

Dave


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