Re: Rebuilding linux-ubuntu-modules and linux-restricted-modules?

2008-05-02 Thread Ben Greear
Matt Price wrote:
> i think this belongs with kernel-team?
> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 21:54 -0400, Aubrey Eddleson wrote:
>   
>> Hey,
>>
>> I've looked high and low and nowhere can I find a workable method
>> of recompiling linux-ubuntu-modules and linux-restricted-modules for a
>> custom kernel.  Please forgive me for asking this here, but I don't
>> know anyone else to aks and I find more and more often that modules
>> that I know and appreciate are being absorbed by these two packages
>> (fglrx became part of l-r-m in Hardy).  Also, if there's any way to
>> modify the code to automatically compile under /usr/src/modules with
>> module-assistant as was more common previously, that would be wonderful!
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer,
>>
>> Aubrey
>>
>> 
> all i can say isthat, back when i used to do this, i remember it was not
> straightforward.  and things have changed a lot since then, so i won't
> comment further, but maybe some of the kernel team members can help
> uout, especially now that hardy has been released.
> matt
>   
I have some notes for rebuilding a live image with a patched kernel.  I 
got the external modules
to compile once with something very like what is in the notes, but I was 
not able to do it a
second time.  I think there may be some soft/hard link loop somewhere.  
If you try these
steps, let me know how it works out.

Please ignore the stuff related to LANforge..that is my project that I 
am adding to the custom
live cd.

http://www.candelatech.com/oss/ubuntu-live-notes.txt

Thanks,
Ben

>
>
>   


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Re: Rebuilding linux-ubuntu-modules and linux-restricted-modules?

2008-05-02 Thread Matt Price
i think this belongs with kernel-team?
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 21:54 -0400, Aubrey Eddleson wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I've looked high and low and nowhere can I find a workable method
> of recompiling linux-ubuntu-modules and linux-restricted-modules for a
> custom kernel.  Please forgive me for asking this here, but I don't
> know anyone else to aks and I find more and more often that modules
> that I know and appreciate are being absorbed by these two packages
> (fglrx became part of l-r-m in Hardy).  Also, if there's any way to
> modify the code to automatically compile under /usr/src/modules with
> module-assistant as was more common previously, that would be wonderful!
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer,
> 
> Aubrey
> 
all i can say isthat, back when i used to do this, i remember it was not
straightforward.  and things have changed a lot since then, so i won't
comment further, but maybe some of the kernel team members can help
uout, especially now that hardy has been released.
matt



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Rebuilding linux-ubuntu-modules and linux-restricted-modules?

2008-05-02 Thread Aubrey Eddleson
Hey,

I've looked high and low and nowhere can I find a workable method
of recompiling linux-ubuntu-modules and linux-restricted-modules for a
custom kernel.  Please forgive me for asking this here, but I don't
know anyone else to aks and I find more and more often that modules
that I know and appreciate are being absorbed by these two packages
(fglrx became part of l-r-m in Hardy).  Also, if there's any way to
modify the code to automatically compile under /usr/src/modules with
module-assistant as was more common previously, that would be wonderful!

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer,

Aubrey

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Re: Developemnt and use - Training manual

2008-05-02 Thread Blaise Alleyne
(Apologies if I'm repeating myself a bit... a messed up my last post to 
the list and it broke outside of the thread...)

George Farris wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 10:38 +0300, Billy Cina wrote:
>   
>>> Right, so if we want to use the manual in our Community Education course
>>> to introduce and teach Ubuntu Linux while charging the student a fee for
>>> the course, this would be okay?
>>>
>>> Note: these are not degree courses they fall into the same category as
>>> "learn to paint" or "better life through yoga".  Strictly for community
>>> personal interest with charges usually between $50.00 - $199.00
>>>   
>>>   
>> Non-profit are key words. $50 - $199.00 sounds like profit seeking to me.
>>
>> Billy Cina
>> 
>
> Exactly which brings me back to the original question.  
>
> It seems a little out of touch with the rest of Ubuntu.
>   

It's not only out of touch with Ubuntu's philosophy [0], but out of 
touch with open source [1] and free software [2] philosophies... the 
ability to charge for free software is always protected, free is about 
freedom not price. And, as I noted before, it's out of touch with the 
rest of the free culture movement. [3]

Taking away someone's freedom to profit from their work is.. well, dumb.
> If one can take Hardy Heron and use it to present a course on Linux
> while charging for the course, why wouldn't you have the license similar
> for the documents?  Charge for the course (not the material) but use the
> material to refer to in the course.
>   

There are several other, better, licenses which are in line with 
Ubuntu's philosophy (i.e. which, if software, would land in the 
universe, not the multiverse!):

* CC BY
* CC BY-SA
* GNU Free Documentation License

I don't see why Ubuntu's training material ought to contradict it's 
commitment to free software and open source software.


[0] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/licensing (the software 
portion retains the right to sell, though documentation is on a 
case-by-case basis)
[1] http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd (see the first part of the 
definition)
[2] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
[3] http://freedomdefined.org/

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Re: Developemnt and use - Training manual

2008-05-02 Thread George Farris
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 10:38 +0300, Billy Cina wrote:
> > Right, so if we want to use the manual in our Community Education course
> > to introduce and teach Ubuntu Linux while charging the student a fee for
> > the course, this would be okay?
> >
> > Note: these are not degree courses they fall into the same category as
> > "learn to paint" or "better life through yoga".  Strictly for community
> > personal interest with charges usually between $50.00 - $199.00
> >   
> Non-profit are key words. $50 - $199.00 sounds like profit seeking to me.
> 
> Billy Cina

Exactly which brings me back to the original question.  

It seems a little out of touch with the rest of Ubuntu.  

If one can take Hardy Heron and use it to present a course on Linux
while charging for the course, why wouldn't you have the license similar
for the documents?  Charge for the course (not the material) but use the
material to refer to in the course.

Cheers



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