Re: Anyone else lost hardware buttons after update from intrepid-proposed?
On 11/15/08, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Olá Mario e a todos. > > On Tuesday 11 November 2008 23:01:07 Mario Vukelic wrote: >> I suppose one of them made the hardware buttons on my laptop (hp nc6440) >> non-functional, though I only ever used the sound buttons and can't >> vouch for the others. >> >> However, the list in System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts is only a >> long list ofin categories Sound and >> Desktop. The category Window Management is ok. > > I've noticed that I lost my Prt Sc shortcut. > I get "No command 33 has been defined." > Going to gnome-keybinding-properties and trying to select the key again for > screenshot it show as if I had pressed SysReq. > > If you have a LP ticked for this, I guess I can add this extra info. > > > Funny enough this is exactly the opposite of that I reported last month: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/276056 > "SysReq keyboard key acts as Print Screen" > > That ticket as not been closed by a dev, but looking at my new prob, I would > say someone tried to fix one bug by introducing another. > -- > BUGabundo :o) > (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net > Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB > My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net > ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. > I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions
2008/11/15 (``-_-´´) -- Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Olá Stephan e a todos. > > On Thursday 13 November 2008 12:20:17 Stephan Hermann wrote: >> This task is not easy. There needs to be input from the users with the >> non-working hardware. Most likely, that this information can be gathered >> with some magic commands on CLI, which is also provided by a nice developer. > > I've seen this mention a few times, and if anyone looks at brainstorm, I bet > its already there: > Would it be of any interest having a tool (only on devel branches or the all > time) that would gather the entire HW listing with FULL detail and upload it > to some database? > Some improved version of hwtest-gtk, mixed with hwinfo and sysinfo (sysinfo > as a great user UI and could also teach/report to the user about supported > HW). > > Maybe hook up hwtest-gtk to system 1st runs and kernel upgrades, and notify > the user to run the tests, and send the report. To addition to this - what we need is user's "field test" team, something like virtual voluntary hardware test lab. Say, user registers available computers with their hardware profiles (No need to have Ubuntu on it, Live CD for testing and getting hardware details should be fine). It comes into some db on Launchpad/Cannonical, and say, there is Jaunty with new kernel, which has significant changes on such and such hardware. Checking db - for example, we have 2 users with such hardware. Create task list for testing (because it is clearly not enough to test WiFi with just WPA or WEP), users do tests, and report back. In fact, this *already* happens in bug reports, but let's make it more organized. Also this db could contain list of *known* hardware issues with bug reports and people who you can contact with to test issue (if they are available and agree to help, of course). It would also give huge oversight to Cannonical and community in which fronts there are issues. Say, wifi still have lot of issues, or sound cards what causes most of trouble. It would also give Cannonical availability to print nice "Hardware issues" page so users would know what to expect. >> When I upgrade to a new release, I always think (or is it knowing): "Ok, >> for the next 4 hours I'll sit in front of this computer, and I expect >> something to break...because it's software made by people". If nothing >> breaks, then I'm really surprised and happy. But when something breaks, >> I already expected that. And when I find the cause for the breakage, >> I'll try to fix it, AND/OR file a bug report about that issue. >> >> Therefore, I don't upgrade my production machine without any real >> testing. But this won't help for everybody, I know. > > That's why I start testing in early development versions: so that stuff can > be detected and users on a stable release dont find all those many bugs. > I've already upgraded my laptop to Jaunty. With this I can keep up the > development, and help fix stuff before release There are some issues with that too - for example, my Intel wifi card was broken by updates only two weeks before final release. I would even say that those last minute updates are most dangerous, because they get introduced so close to finish line that it is really hard task to get update for it in release. Ubuntu really needs wider release testing window, when any functional and hardware updates are strictly forbidden unless it is really needed. Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Anyone else lost hardware buttons after update from intrepid-proposed?
Olá Mario e a todos. On Tuesday 11 November 2008 23:01:07 Mario Vukelic wrote: > I suppose one of them made the hardware buttons on my laptop (hp nc6440) > non-functional, though I only ever used the sound buttons and can't > vouch for the others. > > However, the list in System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts is only a > long list ofin categories Sound and > Desktop. The category Window Management is ok. I've noticed that I lost my Prt Sc shortcut. I get "No command 33 has been defined." Going to gnome-keybinding-properties and trying to select the key again for screenshot it show as if I had pressed SysReq. If you have a LP ticked for this, I guess I can add this extra info. Funny enough this is exactly the opposite of that I reported last month: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/276056 "SysReq keyboard key acts as Print Screen" That ticket as not been closed by a dev, but looking at my new prob, I would say someone tried to fix one bug by introducing another. -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proposed pinned back (was Anyone else lost hardware buttons after update from intrepid-proposed?)
Replying to both. On Thursday 13 November 2008 17:49:18 Mario Vukelic wrote: > Thanks for the heads-up, but I know what I am doing :) I run proposed > because I have no problem digging myself out of a hole and specifically > to be able to help with issues before they hit users I still think that having -proposed pinned back together with apt-changes and links to LP bugs, would allow testers to manually upgrade just a sub set of -proposed packages. AFAIK update-manager doesn't show them any differently, as it does for PPAs updates. Synaptic has even less granularity. But if the idea for -proposed is really to allow a subset of users (brave testers) to try them all at once, please forget what ever I wrote. -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions
Olá Mackenzie e a todos. On Thursday 13 November 2008 19:55:18 Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > And yes, you're of course right about the issues with not having access > to the hardware to fix it. I've overheard someone mutter "well if you'd > send me some hardware, sure I could make it work..." I recall that the > day I met Daniel Chen, he was showing up to an installfest so he could > fix any sound bugs with actual, physical access to the hardware. Its not always just hardware... Just a few weeks ago after several hours of debug over IRC, I ended up creating a VPN account on our servers, for asac so he could more rapidly debug nm-pptp. The next morning i got an email, telling me it was fixed. -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions
Olá Stephan e a todos. On Thursday 13 November 2008 12:20:17 Stephan Hermann wrote: > This task is not easy. There needs to be input from the users with the > non-working hardware. Most likely, that this information can be gathered > with some magic commands on CLI, which is also provided by a nice developer. I've seen this mention a few times, and if anyone looks at brainstorm, I bet its already there: Would it be of any interest having a tool (only on devel branches or the all time) that would gather the entire HW listing with FULL detail and upload it to some database? Some improved version of hwtest-gtk, mixed with hwinfo and sysinfo (sysinfo as a great user UI and could also teach/report to the user about supported HW). Maybe hook up hwtest-gtk to system 1st runs and kernel upgrades, and notify the user to run the tests, and send the report. > When I upgrade to a new release, I always think (or is it knowing): "Ok, > for the next 4 hours I'll sit in front of this computer, and I expect > something to break...because it's software made by people". If nothing > breaks, then I'm really surprised and happy. But when something breaks, > I already expected that. And when I find the cause for the breakage, > I'll try to fix it, AND/OR file a bug report about that issue. > > Therefore, I don't upgrade my production machine without any real > testing. But this won't help for everybody, I know. That's why I start testing in early development versions: so that stuff can be detected and users on a stable release dont find all those many bugs. I've already upgraded my laptop to Jaunty. With this I can keep up the development, and help fix stuff before release -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Fwd: apt-listchanges: changelogs for blubug
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: apt-listchanges: changelogs Date: Friday 14 November 2008 synaptic (0.62.2) unstable; urgency=low - add "Get Screenshot" button that talks to screenshots.debian.net -- Michael Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:44:43 +0100 --- Thanks Michael for the nice addition! -- BUGabundo :o) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
