Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
Remember the free ship-it program though! (It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!) I don't think they ship outside the US though... On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Chris Cheney cche...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 16:47 +, richard wrote: -snip- He knows that if he buys a copy of windows 1 CD maybe 2 -snip- Windows is a DVD now MacOS is a DVD as well Perhaps its time to move the default Ubuntu release to a DVD also. ;-) If I remember correctly the main reason it hasn't been so far is due to distribution issues as a DVD is 4.5GiB vs 700MiB for a CD. Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an issue since many places have a bandwidth cap as well so people wouldn't be downloading the image in the first place? Chris -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 03:03 -0500, Chris wrote: Remember the free ship-it program though! (It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!) I don't think they ship outside the US though... Er...don't they ship from Denmark? -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
Do you think if Ubuntu did go to DVD format, will shipit still, ship? On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 03:03 -0500, Chris wrote: Remember the free ship-it program though! (It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!) I don't think they ship outside the US though... Er...don't they ship from Denmark? -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 03:03:39AM -0500, Chris wrote: Remember the free ship-it program though! (It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!) I don't think they ship outside the US though... Happily ships to me in the UK (from the Netherlands or Germany, can never remember which, and never keep the packaging!) signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
Am 28.12.2008 um 07:49 schrieb Chris Cheney: Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an issue since many places have a bandwidth cap as well so people wouldn't be downloading the image in the first place? You propose to intentionally get rid of a significant number of users? Hmm. For me, the limited size of the CD is one of the great features of Ubuntu as it not only allows a reasonable quick download, but obviously stops Ubuntu from bloating as well. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 12:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 28.12.2008 um 07:49 schrieb Chris Cheney: Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an issue since many places have a bandwidth cap as well so people wouldn't be downloading the image in the first place? You propose to intentionally get rid of a significant number of users? Hmm. For me, the limited size of the CD is one of the great features of Ubuntu as it not only allows a reasonable quick download, but obviously stops Ubuntu from bloating as well. Maybe there should be more than one distribution method to suit different markets. CD - minimum subset DVD - full working with all the most popular apps pre-installed Solid state - full installation with everything anyone is likely to need Charge for the Solid State device with the aim to generate revenue to cover the general cost of having 3 rather than one option. Bigger market happier customers and pays for itself. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 13:30 +, richard wrote: On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:30:52 + Ian Lynch ian.ly...@zmsl.com wrote: Big snip and a merry Christmas to you all. I've been watching this thread and the one thing that has been missed and it doesn't matter what the Intelligence of the user is like. But if some one gives you a CD saying this is a complete distro, surely no matter how thicK you are you must realise that a complete distro can not fit on a 700Mb CD, Maybe it's because my first distro was Damn Small Linux, but yes, I *DO* expect the whole distro to fit on one CD. At least the main system. Sure, Debian's got 20 CDs, but only the first one is actually needed. I find it insane that Fedora requires 6 CDs! More specifically, Ubuntu does fit on a single CD, except for language packs, which presumably Peter (as an English speaker) doesn't need. AFAICT, the main issue is updates, which have everything to do with release time and almost nothing to do with space. -- John C. McCabe-Dansted PhD Student University of Western Australia -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
2008/12/28 Chris chris062...@gmail.com: Remember the free ship-it program though! (It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!) I don't think they ship outside the US though... They shipped to me in Israel. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
2008/12/28 Chris chris062...@gmail.com: Do you think if Ubuntu did go to DVD format, will shipit still, ship? How much shit will shipit ship, if shipit still ships shit? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
Chris wrote: Remember the free ship-it program though! (It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!) I don't think they ship outside the US though... It shipped me the CD to one of the interior part of India in 5 weeks and a coastal region in 3 weeks. SHIPIT rocks! -- Manish Sinha Personal Blog: http://www.manishsinha.info Tech Blog: http://manishtech.wordpress.com OpenPGP Key: 99E6658F -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 12:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 28.12.2008 um 07:49 schrieb Chris Cheney: Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an issue since many places have a bandwidth cap as well so people wouldn't be downloading the image in the first place? You propose to intentionally get rid of a significant number of users? Hmm. For me, the limited size of the CD is one of the great features of Ubuntu as it not only allows a reasonable quick download, but obviously stops Ubuntu from bloating as well. MarKus Well this discussion did start out due to the fact that the install CD currently needs an internet connection to install language packs since they don't fit on the cd. Which brought up the issue of installing them over an internet connection which in many countries is prohibitively expensive. So going to a default DVD release could possibly alleviate this issue, assuming that the users in those countries could get access to the DVDs via shipit or some other means. Of course they couldn't download the DVD image for the same reason they can't download updates and language packs today, that is their internet connection is too limited and expensive. With respect of the cost of pressed CDs vs DVDs for shipit, I don't know how much they cost. However, some newspapers in the UK give away DVDs with their newspapers, of course they may be advertising subsidized to offset the cost. Chris -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
