Re: Call for testing empathy

2009-01-09 Thread Danny Piccirillo
IRC has been supported for while. You need telepathy-idle installed

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Bryan Quigley gqu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did they add IRC support?  We really want to have an IRC client by default
 (Pidgin is one).


 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Danny Piccirillo 
 danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Intrepid+1 approaches-- is it too late to reconsider Empathy for
 inclusion?

 I just tried the newest version of Empathy and things look a lot better!
 File transfers now work and it picks up my webcam/mic!

 On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas 
 m...@canonical.comwrote:

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 Laurent Bigonville wrote on 08/08/08 21:12:
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  Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop.
  The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for
  intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give
  empathy a test and report bugs to launchpad[2].
 ...

 To help in this decision, I have evaluated the usability of Empathy and
 Pidgin, and written up my findings.
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
 In summary, I suggest that Ubuntu continue using Pidgin by default for
 Intrepid, and that we reconsider Empathy for Intrepid+1.

 Empathy currently does a couple of big things Pidgin does not (audio and
 video chat), and handles one big feature much better than Pidgin (chat
 logging). But I found most features were more obvious in Pidgin,
 especially account setup, which is important for anyone who will start
 using IM in Intrepid. (And people who were already using either Empathy
 or Pidgin in a previous version of Ubuntu will continue using the same
 program in Intrepid anyway, regardless of our decision.)

 I found dozens of small learnability and efficiency problems in both
 programs, and I have not yet had time to report them all as bugs. If
 anyone would like to help out with this, especially in finding bugs that
 have already been reported, I'd greatly appreciate it. (Wherever the
 wiki page says (), it needs a link to a bug report.)

 Cheers
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Re: Thoughts about EXT4 optional in Jaunty Development questions about Plymouth

2009-01-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 02:40:51PM -0700, Aaron Toponce wrote:
 Colin Watson wrote:
  ext4 will be available as a partitioning option as of tomorrow's daily
  builds.
 
 I'm looking forward to this. I've been looking forward to ext4 for
 years. I could do an install from scratch, but I'm hoping that I can
 upgrade my existing ext3 to ext4 as you can going from ext2 to ext3.

Yes, as the end of http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto
says:

  To convert an existing ext3 filesystem to use ext4, use the command
  
$ tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/DEV
  
  WARNING: Once you run this command, the filesystem will no longer be
  mountable using the ext3 filesystem!
  
  After running this command, you MUST run fsck:
  
$ fsck -pf /dev/DEV
  
  NOTE: by doing so, new files will be created in extents format, but
  this will not convert existing files. However, they can be
  transparently read by Ext4.
  
  WARNING: It is NOT recommended to resize the inodes using resize2fs,
  as this is known to corrupt some filesystems. 

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Re: Mimicking Ubuntu's build robots

2009-01-09 Thread James Westby
On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 17:17 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
 Am 09.01.2009 um 02:22 schrieb James Westby:
 
  On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 01:26 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
  Hello all,
 
  in an attempt to get some insight about
 
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnustep-base/+bug/245981
 
  [...]
 
  So my question is: how would I best mimick Ubuntu's build machinery?
  Probably a virtual machine, to allow building i386 on an AMD64 host,
  but which type of installation, what else?
 
 
  [...]
  There are local copies of the DTDs in the source package, the one it
  probably wants is ./Tools/gsdoc-1_0_3.dtd, but it is apparently
  searching for a file ending in .xml, and from what I can see only
  adds user, system and network locations to the search path, though
  the intent of -HeaderDirectory ../Tools may be to do this.
 
 So you mean I have three (Matt's, your's, Mine) patch recommendations  
 now, but there is no way to actually test such a patch without  
 commiting it to Ubuntu's public repo's? I'm used to provide tested  
 patches only, so I hope this isn't true.

You can apply the patch and test build the documentation directly,
temporarily disabling your network.

You can try building the whole package with your network disabled,
which should build Arch: all packages on amd64 I believe.

You can push it to a PPA which has a very similar environment to the
buildds.

You can build a source package with the proposed change and jump on
#ubuntu-motu and ask for someone to test build without network access
for you, or indeed ask here.

You can provide the patch and explain that it's not tested, and give
instructions on how a sponsor can check that it will work correctly.

If the worst comes to the worst we can just upload it to the archive,
another build failure isn't a big problem, but as you can see there
are plenty of options until we reach that point.

Thanks,

James



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Re: Mimicking Ubuntu's build robots

2009-01-09 Thread Markus Hitter

Am 09.01.2009 um 17:39 schrieb James Westby:

 You can [...]

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Wow, there are plenty of options. Thanks a lot.

I didn't recognize a PPA has a build machinery, yet, and will try  
that path.


Thanks James,
Markus

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