Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mat Tomaszewski wrote on 16/03/09 10:02: Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... and it's not what OS X does. OS X shows 0 signal icon for both no signal and disconnected. Not sure what I've missed? ... Yes, but Bugabundo's original complaint was about when wireless is off completely: The new icon is very deceiving, making me think I have my WiFi On, but with no signal. Right, so the problem that we have lies somewhere else: N-M at the moment does not allow us to send a different icon for wireless off, but card is present (kill switch) case and wireless on, but no connection established. Facing this problem, until we change the N-M behaviour, the best we can do is to display wireless off (empty bars with red X) for both cases. This is what we've decided upon here and until now no one proposed anything better. Mac OS X icon for wireless off: http://sfghdean.ucsf.edu/wireless/images/ucsf-clinical-mac/wifism01.jpg Mac OS X icon for wireless on but disconnected: http://www.its.ipfw.edu/wireless/images/mac/mac-open-internet-connection.gif. For Ubuntu it's a bit tricker, because we want to distinguish between (1) no connection with wireless off, (2) no connection with wireless on, (3) connected with wireless (at various signal strengths), and (4) connected with wired. Exactly, but first we need N-M to allow us to send right icon for each of the above. Cheers, M. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
The challenge that we're facing is: - we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be represented by the appropriate icon: 1. Wireless 2. Wired 3. 3G Throw general modem connection in a bowl, because it would be needed for bluetooth and simple dialups (which I hope will be supported somewhere in the future by N-M). Just my two euro cents, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
Throw general modem connection in a bowl, because it would be needed for bluetooth Bluetooth has already got its own icon and connection manager. This need improving, too, but as a separate track. I was talking about Bluebooth modems. Yes, there are even two connection managers for managing bluez (gnome-bluetooth and bluez-admin), but they just for general bluetooth connections. Anyway, generic modem version would be a must. I know everyone[1] uses 3G today, but I still wait for N-M to do something amazing and provide simple interface for serial/winmodems. It shouldn't be hard to do, should it :) Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: aufs based upgrade tests
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:00:12PM +0100, Michael Vogt wrote: Yes, after the upgrade the system will be jaunty until the next reboot, then the writable overlay is removed and the system is exactly in the same state as before the upgrade. Does this overlay cover the whole filesystem? If people start creating files in /home that are going to be lost on reboot, it would be nice to warn them about that. I created as a stub wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AufsBasedUpgrades Marius Gedminas -- Some of the more environmentally aware dinosaurs were worried about the consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor. If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive... they said. signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
Andrew Barbaccia wrote: The challenge that we're facing is: - we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be represented by the appropriate icon: 1. Wireless 2. Wired 3. 3G Each of these has potentially 4 different states: - card present, but switched off - card present, but no connection - connecting - connection established (w/various signal strenghts for wireless and 3G) any help/suggestions are most welcome. Here are my suggestions: - The connecting icon is the same swirling circles for all connection types. - The connection strength for wireless and 3G could be the current bars icon but with a 3G bubble in the corner. If that's too small then possibly different color bars would be sufficient? I believe that switched off is a subset of no connection, so I would use something like this: - Empty bars icon with a slash through it. When the user clicks to connect to a network, it should show: Wireless radio switched off or No wireless connections found or a list of available networks to connect to. I think it would be useful for the community to voice a few sets of options so Mat can discuss with OEMs and maybe present a solution that works for both. Thanks for these suggestions Andrew, some good ideas there. Few questions: - why not show separate icons for all connection types in the panel? - could we merge the connecting animation with the actual icon? - how should the N-M menu behave if there are 2 types of connection active at the same time? Speaking about OEMs - I'm not directly responsible for cooperation with the OEMs, but to be honest, it's usually us coming to them with good ideas and them getting excited about it, rather than the other way round :) We're trying to use their expertise in UI design and user research to the benefit of all Ubuntu users. M. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
xca package compilation issues
Hi, While trying to package xca for Ubuntu, I ran across this error: http://fixunix.com/openssl/511998-openssl-org-1721-compilation-error-ubuntu-hardy-x86_64-a.html What is the recommended course of action? -- Obama Nation | It's not like I'm encrypting... it's more like I've developed a massive entropy deficiency | http://www.subsubpacefield.org/~travis/ If you are a spammer, please email j...@subspacefield.org to get blacklisted. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
Olá Mat e a todos. On Monday 16 March 2009 19:28:46 Mat Tomaszewski wrote: It's difficult for me (and I think for anyone) to consider statements like that a constructive dialogue. I'm the OP of this thread! I was the one who asked for an explanation of why the icon changed (without prior consultant of the ubuntu testers community) and if it was possible to redo. I also posted opinions from new users (latter agree to be the target public). If my statements dont always look as you would like them to look, place your self on my shoes where stuff i've been seeing in its place for 3 years all of the sudden changes, and all I get is: OEMs closed studies says so. :) There's that smile again. Unless your close to me, and I find you funny, most of the meaning of using it on a serious thread is lost. -- Hi, I'm BUGabundo, and I am Ubuntu (whyubuntu.com) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB http://BUGabundo.net ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
Olá Mat e a todos. On Tuesday 17 March 2009 09:59:21 Mat Tomaszewski wrote: - we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be represented by the appropriate icon: 1. Wireless 2. Wired 3. 3G 4. VPNs 5. Bluetooth threading Each of these has potentially 4 different states: - card present, but switched off - card present, but no connection - connecting - connection established (w/various signal strenghts for wireless and 3G) - Encrypted - Non-encrypted With all of this the WPA/WPA2 symbol was lost too Now I never know if I'm connected to a protected network or a Open one! -- Hi, I'm BUGabundo, and I am Ubuntu (whyubuntu.com) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB http://BUGabundo.net ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
Olá Mat e a todos. On Tuesday 17 March 2009 14:31:59 Mat Tomaszewski wrote: - why not show separate icons for all connection types in the panel? because gnome, kde, freedesktop all want to reduce the number of stuff on the notification bar. -- Hi, I'm BUGabundo, and I am Ubuntu (whyubuntu.com) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB http://BUGabundo.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote: Olá Mat e a todos. On Tuesday 17 March 2009 14:31:59 Mat Tomaszewski wrote: - why not show separate icons for all connection types in the panel? because gnome, kde, freedesktop all want to reduce the number of stuff on the notification bar. That's great, in principle that sounds like a totally right way to go. Yet at the same time most people raise the need for a precise information about their connection status. One of the things we're debating on now is what the user *really* needs to see on his panel as a persistent indicator. One of the results of this debate is already visible in Jaunty, with messaging indicator aiming to replace all the various icons thrown in by different messaging apps. The next steps will inevitably include the N-M behaviours and icons, and it would be great to hear what the individual views on that are. Cheers, M. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
I'd suggest only showing the icon for the currently used connection (even if you're connected using several methods at the same time NM only uses one of them for the Internet, right?) and let placing the mouse over the icon display a bubble with more detailed information about all connections. Just an idea :). -- Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals (RainCT) Ubuntu Developer. Debian Contributor. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 2:29:24 pm (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote: Olá Mat e a todos. On Monday 16 March 2009 19:28:46 Mat Tomaszewski wrote: It's difficult for me (and I think for anyone) to consider statements like that a constructive dialogue. I'm the OP of this thread! I was the one who asked for an explanation of why the icon changed (without prior consultant of the ubuntu testers community) and if it was possible to redo. I also posted opinions from new users (latter agree to be the target public). If my statements dont always look as you would like them to look, place your self on my shoes where stuff i've been seeing in its place for 3 years all of the sudden changes, and all I get is: OEMs closed studies says so. I thought he was saying that the OEMs agreed with you... -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 10:50:55 Andrew Barbaccia wrote: - The connection strength for wireless and 3G could be the current bars icon but with a 3G bubble in the corner. If that's too small then possibly different color bars would be sufficient? How about an icon that includes a generic cell phone (instead if 3G)? This icon could be used for the three related cases: 3G, EDGE and bluetooth modem (I only regard the third as an alias to one of the two previous, please corect me if I'm wrong). regards FF -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Desktop Security Defaults
Gday John, Good to see another Aussie on the list and contributing some top info :) I've looked into Plash and I think your suggestion is excellent. I was thinking of a two pronged approach: 1. AppArmor / SELInux or whatever static like central policy to contain deamons, as these services typically have fixed functions and can be locked down in a static way. I note here that Microsoft did this locking down for Vista services, where they went through all the services and implemented a least privileged model. We could exceed Windows by doing least privileged but also protecting it through mandatory access control policies as well. 2. A longer term secondary phase of securing X. Again we find ourselves behind Windows where for Vista the security of their system was made more resilient against shatter attacks with a number of changes to make it far more difficult. Depending on the specifics of how X is secured, sandboxes like Plash could be considered too. I do disagree with you on enabling a firewall by default. What you say is well informed - yes, you can use injection attacks to bypass firewalls. A firewall is a basic level of protection that Windows and OSX use by default. Attacks have to be more sophisticated to circumvent a firewall using injection attacks for example. Regards, Nullack -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
