Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Robbie Williamson rob...@ubuntu.com wrote: Is it a bug that we don't automatically enable and password protect your screensaver in Ubuntu? Maybe. or that we don't automatically encrypt all your data? Maybe. Perhaps you will get farther opening a bug with mozilla?...good luck Yeah, and when users like me are supposed to talk to upstream directly, then what is the point exactly that Canonical plays the middleware with Ubuntu? We dont talk about an unpleasant background color or desired or unwanted functionality. We talk about a default configuration of a browser that goes online to download data without my consent. And the very least to expect is that its prompting with a dialog. The reality is that after a long dispute with the Mozilla foundation you Canonical guys have some mysterious agreement going that requires you to ship that thing how they like it. And maybe thats okay for most of your users, since they have no clue whats going on on their system anyways... ... but maybe Gentoo and other source based distributions are going to have a revival and Canonical is discovered as the new Microsoft. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
Am 06.01.2010 um 11:36 schrieb Patrick Freundt: ... but maybe Gentoo and other source based distributions are going to have a revival and Canonical is discovered as the new Microsoft. Patrick, just a week ago you defended Ubuntu so much and now you play with going away? Doesn't match my claim Ubuntu is so exhausted introducing new features there is no room for keeping the current stuff tidy pretty much your own situation? What to do now? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: What to do now? Battle again, how we used to battle proprietary software once. Because many people had good reasons to dislike proprietary software. And whats happening here is that companies mix Free Software with the old, poisoned business model of the 90s to something thats even more dangerous for the users, because now you cant even rant at some guy who sold you that software. They send you upstream. Which is then in fact a very clever way to get rid of any warranty. Brave New World, we are coming! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
On 2010-01-06 11:36:09 +0100, Patrick Freundt wrote: We dont talk about an unpleasant background color or desired or unwanted functionality. We talk about a default configuration of a browser that goes online to download data without my consent. And the very least to expect is that its prompting with a dialog. You know that your Ubuntu systems also checks for package updates automatically? So it goes online without your consent too. The same do current Windows systems too. And I don't want a dialog popping up asking me if it can look for fresh updates now. Michael -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Michael Bienia mich...@bienia.de wrote: You know that your Ubuntu systems also checks for package updates automatically? So it goes online without your consent too. As I said before, firefox is just one exaple of multiple topics. And I don't want a dialog popping up asking me if it can look for fresh updates now. By clean concept, you take a concious decision once that you want updates and that you connect to a specific remote host for that and then you can let that happen in an automated way in the future. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
why privacy and security matters
To give those who care a bit more background information why I seem to act like a super troll within the thread proper procedure regarding bug reports: In the appartment next door a 21 year old girl lives with her mom. Her dad seems to be working for some online university and has influence on certain network infrastructure that is involved with Freenode's and OFTC's Internet Relay Chat servers aswell as certain FTP mirror sites. Every time when I make a posting online or when I am ranting at someone on Freenode or OFTC that 21 year old girl gives immediate feedback, making the sound of a barking dog, knocking on the wall, etc. Since you cant choose neighbours by sanity it would not matter much, but about 14 months ago I was part of a strange game that was almost a copy of the movie The Game with Michael Douglas, where I ended up on remote hosts that displayed content that was manipulated, just to carry me through several quests. People who know me would be like well, you have been harassing people online with your rants about morals and ethics. this 21 year old girl only helps to teach you to be less schizophrenic. But since a few months this 21 year old girl is totally out of control. She makes loud noise for hours and when you politely ask her to tune it down she is acting up with a self confidence that is simply unreal. Even when the police talks to her. So no matter what I do online it mixes with real life in a way that is not a game anymore. And the main point is that a 21 year old girl seems to have power over my life - with the help of certain people obviously. Now to come to the point of privacy and security: In such a context, when people play games on the internet, it really matters that your local computer does only do what you want it to do. Patrick -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
I've sorta had this dance with a problem in mc that, due to improper perms on cons.saver, prevented the usage of C-o to flop the screen in and out. I uploaded a patch that highlighted the problem and I thought that someone would eventually get around to testing it. Unfortunately, it recently got the wave-off as now it no longer builds under Lucid and I'm being asked to test a new upstream version, when I know that the fix needed cannot come from upstream on account of the fact that I've run into the same problem on Gentoo, with the same version I was being asked to test. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:34 AM, Patrick Freundt patrick.freu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Michael Bienia mich...@bienia.de wrote: You know that your Ubuntu systems also checks for package updates automatically? So it goes online without your consent too. As I said before, firefox is just one exaple of multiple topics. And I don't want a dialog popping up asking me if it can look for fresh updates now. By clean concept, you take a concious decision once that you want updates and that you connect to a specific remote host for that and then you can let that happen in an automated way in the future. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Shentino shent...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, it recently got the wave-off as now it no longer builds under Lucid and I'm being asked to test a new upstream version, when I know that I uploaded 3:4.7.0-1ubuntu1 last night, so if you're willing to respin your patch against that source version and verify that it works as intended, I'll make sure it gets uploaded. -Dan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com wrote: your patch Right, I often forget about that ... You should not only rant at people like Richard Stallman you also need to provide patches like him. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Patrick Freundt patrick.freu...@googlemail.com wrote: You should not only rant at people like Richard Stallman you also need to provide patches like him. I'll ask because the phrasing is ambiguous, and I can't tell whether my cynicism radar is errant. Are you implying that people with upload privileges should be forward-porting patches, etc., too? If so, that's a noble sentiment but sadly unrealistic. If, on the other hand, you are implying that everyone (i.e., the community that does not have upload privileges to Ubuntu proper) could do a better job of pitching in to forward-port, that's quite on the mark. -Dan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Daniel Chen seven.st...@gmail.com wrote: I'll ask because the phrasing is ambiguous, and I can't tell whether my cynicism radar is errant. Pure self irony from my side, as I was looking over the thread that I started, realizing that I often forgot about the logical next step in the past. I respect Richard Stallman a lot btw ... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: why privacy and security matters
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Patrick Freundt patrick.freu...@googlemail.com wrote: And on another note - When your Ubuntu Karmic sits with you, Firefox and Google Mail and somebody special is able to send your X Server a SIGTERM, then I am wondering what this hint is all about. Am I on the right path ... of Neo? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: why privacy and security matters
Somebody reminded me in a nice way not long ago, that no matter what happens ... I should do my best to respect das Grundrecht auf körperliche Unversehrtheit. And I am going to do that. But when nothing is supposed to influence the routing between me and my ISP, no cracked router, no script kiddies on IRC who know my IP, and only me and Google's Mail sit together, then how the heck is that 21 year old girl able to get inbetween this romantic relationship ... between me and Google? I feel like I need to kill. But I know that I cant. Well, maybe not now ... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: why privacy and security matters
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 06:30:18PM +0100, Patrick Freundt wrote: [...] But when nothing is supposed to influence the routing between me and my ISP, no cracked router, no script kiddies on IRC who know my IP, and only me and Google's Mail sit together, then how the heck is that 21 year old girl able to get inbetween this romantic relationship ... between me and Google? Until she hacks the Gibson, she isn't elite enough to ruin the romance you share with Google. Now, could we please get back to out regularly scheduled show? -- Name| Richard JOHNSON Title| Developer WWW| http://www.ubuntu.com Email| nixter...@ubuntu.com GnuPG| 3578 0981 A21D D662 2A96 7623 F4C1 838C D8C4 4738 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: why privacy and security matters
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Richard JOHNSON nixter...@ubuntu.com wrote: Until she hacks the Gibson, she isn't elite enough to ruin the romance you share with Google. That depends, kind sir. First of all, the 21 year old girl is a girl. Her limited skills are not the point. Its most likely her daddy who seems to have a yet undefined influence. And most important is what role Google actually plays. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: why privacy and security matters
And since I was asked: Cracked wireless connection and ethereal/wireshark? Have you tried posting (etc.) via a VPN or SSH tunnel? Its a wired connection to german Telekom / T-Online. No router is involved that could have been cracked. Its a clean setup of Ubuntu Karmic, connected via PPPoe. Since I opened the internet connection I was browsing no other site than Google Mail and no other service was connecting anywhere so my IP was only known to Google, as Google Mail does not transmit the sender IP of outgoing mails. And it was not a buggy software, it was not something like the screensaver interrupting, it was the X server catching a SIGTERM while I was typing a draft in Google Mail. And this was happening in the context of a form of look boy, see how powerful I am of big daddy, and 1 minute later an accoustic signal of the 21 year old girl followed by a BOO! hihihi to make sure that I understand where this signal is coming from - it was coming from daddy who appeared on OFTC's chat as honorous sponsor bugblue, where he was quite emotional the other night, when I addressed his loved one with my suspicions, that she is behaving like a stalker. The career of this daddy poo is obviously so settled that he does not care at all whether I am able to gain proof for whats going on. And it seems to make that 21 year old chocolate girl all proud to have such a daddy. The only problem is: why am I forced to be part of this weird family in an extremely strange kind of way? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: why privacy and security matters
Hi On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Patrick Freundt patrick.freu...@googlemail.com wrote: The career of this daddy poo is obviously so settled that he does not care at all whether I am able to gain proof for whats going on. And it seems to make that 21 year old chocolate girl all proud to have such a daddy. The only problem is: why am I forced to be part of this weird family in an extremely strange kind of way? I don't want to be rude but this saga seems quite irrelevant to Ubuntu development, I think you've made your point. Can you please take it somewhere else? Thanks. -Jonathan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: why privacy and security matters
Can you please take it somewhere else? Thanks for asking, but I am not sure whether I can or can not. The police officer said I could possibly have a chit chat with my psychiatrist. But I am really not sure. I have this strange feeling that I find a solution to my problem right here. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
so sorry
Maybe Ubuntu (and the Internet as a whole) is not my thing. But who am I to blame you guys for that. I am sorry for all the inconvenience that I might have caused. *playing Annett Louisan - Das Spiel ... only for you!* -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 07:47 -0800 schrieb Shentino: I've sorta had this dance with a problem in mc that, due to improper perms on cons.saver, prevented the usage of C-o to flop the screen in and out. I uploaded a patch that highlighted the problem and I thought that someone would eventually get around to testing it. Unfortunately, it recently got the wave-off as now it no longer builds under Lucid and I'm being asked to test a new upstream version, when I know that the fix needed cannot come from upstream on account of the fact that I've run into the same problem on Gentoo, with the same version I was being asked to test. You are talking about bug #367318? It was me, who commented on this bug report. Let me clarify some points: * I never wrote that the bug is invalid or does not exist. I just unsubscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors. * I was processing your bug in behalf of ubuntu-universe-sponsor. This team is for sponsoring debdiffs [1]. The debdiff contains a changelog entry explaining the changes. When the current package does not build, the debdiff needs to be updated (at least the version in the changelog). There are two ways for getting your patch into Ubuntu: * Create a debdiff out of your patch (in this case adding a new entry to debian/changelog should do it) and resubscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsor. * Find someone or wait until someone creates the debdiff and uploads it to the archive (either directly or through the sponsorship process) [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess -- Benjamin Drung Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Maintainer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: so sorry
Isamar M Given that comment, can he customize a distro? Patrick F What would you recommend to make ubuntu, or just the internet alone as a whole, a better experience. What did you want to do with ubuntu? Have you tried Ubuntu Netbook remix? It's a very different user experience then ubuntu desktop? ph 2010/1/6 Isamar Maia isa...@gmail.com: Dude.. nothing can satisfy greeks and troyans at the same tme. If you don't like it, try to find one that fit your needs at http:///www.distrowatch.com Or... customize Ubuntu for that. Isamar 2010/1/6 Patrick Freundt patrick.freu...@googlemail.com: Maybe Ubuntu (and the Internet as a whole) is not my thing. But who am I to blame you guys for that. I am sorry for all the inconvenience that I might have caused. *playing Annett Louisan - Das Spiel ... only for you!* -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Isamar Maia Brazil: 55-71-9146-8575 55-71-4062-8688 日本: +81-(0)3-4550-1212 In a world without walls. Who needs windows and gates? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: so sorry
2010/1/7 Patrick H. patrick.harzh...@gmail.com: Isamar M Given that comment, can he customize a distro? Don't know. If not possible, hire someone or ask to a neighbor... Isn't here a devel list ? :-) Patrick F What would you recommend to make ubuntu, or just the internet alone as a whole, a better experience. What did you want to do with ubuntu? Have you tried Ubuntu Netbook remix? It's a very different user experience then ubuntu desktop? Looks like this message was not directed to me or it's not clear for me where you wish to reach with that. AFAIK, Here is a devel list, not a wish-list :-) Never tried yet Netbook Remix, but I have done a remix for fun and work. Well, since this discussion smells an off-topic thread, or almost, if you wish to continue this discussion.. let's do that in private. Isamar ph 2010/1/6 Isamar Maia isa...@gmail.com: Dude.. nothing can satisfy greeks and troyans at the same tme. If you don't like it, try to find one that fit your needs at http:///www.distrowatch.com Or... customize Ubuntu for that. Isamar 2010/1/6 Patrick Freundt patrick.freu...@googlemail.com: Maybe Ubuntu (and the Internet as a whole) is not my thing. But who am I to blame you guys for that. I am sorry for all the inconvenience that I might have caused. *playing Annett Louisan - Das Spiel ... only for you!* -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Isamar Maia Brazil: 55-71-9146-8575 55-71-4062-8688 日本: +81-(0)3-4550-1212 In a world without walls. Who needs windows and gates? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Isamar Maia Brazil: 55-71-9146-8575 55-71-4062-8688 日本: +81-(0)3-4550-1212 In a world without walls. Who needs windows and gates? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
