dragging icons onto desktop - place where i drop plz

[Rene Veerman]

if i drag any icon onto the desktop, it just goes to a random place it seems.

please make sure it ends up under my cursor when i drop it.

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alt-tab; need shift-alt-tab too.

[Rene Veerman]

I've often got more than 20 windows open while coding.

On windows, one can shift-alt-tab to move back 1 spot in the list of
apps you're alt-tabbing through..

can ubuntu do the same? by default, please?

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Re: Question about this list

[Christopher Chan]

Amahdy,

thanks for the show. You should try irc some time.


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Re: Question about this list

[Amahdy]

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 03:31, C de-Avillez  wrote:

>
>
> Now, perhaps you do not see these lines -- which would, then, point to a
> problem with your email client (be it a real client, or Google, or
> whatever.
>
> Regards,
>
> ..C..
>
>

No I received them, I don't know why u assumed that, but generally if you
are pointing to my messages that got cut off, then again they are cut off
online on the lists.ubuntu.com website not in any of the users email clients
including GMail.


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Re: Question about this list

[C de-Avillez]

Amahdy wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something here (like I said in my early first post), but I
> even don't know how to set a total delivery for all messages sent here, I
> only receive a digest and there is no option to receive
> instant-notification, although I believe mailman has this option but maybe
> the case here was disabled by an administrator or I'm doing something wrong
> and I can't find the way to do it... please advise?
>   
Yes, mailman has this option, and no, it was not disabled. As far as I
can remember, the default is *individual* messages. If I am correct,
then you are receiving a digest because -- at some point in time -- you
so chose.

Anyway. At the very bottom of the email you should see the following
four lines (without the hash sign on the first line):

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All you need to do is follow the link on the very last line, and edit
your settings.

Now, perhaps you do not see these lines -- which would, then, point to a
problem with your email client (be it a real client, or Google, or whatever.

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Re: Question about this list

[Amahdy]

Oh you mean I can't have digest and single delivery at the same time? ok I
think I got the problem now ... Thanks!


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On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 03:26, Andrew SB  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Amahdy  wrote:
> > Maybe I'm missing something here (like I said in my early first post),
> but I
> > even don't know how to set a total delivery for all messages sent here, I
> > only receive a digest and there is no option to receive
> > instant-notification, although I believe mailman has this option but
> maybe
> > the case here was disabled by an administrator or I'm doing something
> wrong
> > and I can't find the way to do it... please advise?
>
> Well, when you subscribed you must have selected to get the digest.
> You can change your options here:
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/options/ubuntu-devel-announce
>
> -- Andrew SB
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Re: Question about this list

[Andrew SB]

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Amahdy  wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something here (like I said in my early first post), but I
> even don't know how to set a total delivery for all messages sent here, I
> only receive a digest and there is no option to receive
> instant-notification, although I believe mailman has this option but maybe
> the case here was disabled by an administrator or I'm doing something wrong
> and I can't find the way to do it... please advise?

Well, when you subscribed you must have selected to get the digest.
You can change your options here:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/options/ubuntu-devel-announce

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Re: Question about this list

[Amahdy]

>
> 2010/1/28 Amahdy  >:
>
> >* What the problem really? when the quoted-text is collapsed and the replies
> *>* are organized together and simple navigation ... yes I can follow threads 
> at
> *>* google-groups even if it's with hundred replies, but here my thread with
> *>* about 10 replies, I opened 10 tabs to see them all and another tab to type
> *>* this reply!
> *
> So why are you doing that?
>
> Maybe I didn't understand it correctly, but I got the impression that
>
> you are reading the messages from the mailing list archives at
> lists.ubuntu.com using your web browser, which is insane if you're
> following a list daily (and don't just want to lookup a few old mail,
>
> or get a link to them for someone else's reference).
>
> The purpose of a mailing list is that you subscribe to it so that
> you'll get a copy of all mails send there, which you can then handle
> the way you want with your favorite client (be it mutt, Thunderbird or
>
> Gmail's web interface).
>
> If you don't want to subscribe, you still could use this interface:
> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.discuss (where you get
>
> all replies to a thread in a single page, and from where you can reply
> to them with a click). Or this read-only view:
> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.discuss . Or use a
>
> newsgroup reader like someone else already mentioned.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
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>
>
Like many ppl, I don't want to check a lists group over an rss like gmane,
and the reason of checking this list over web-browser then it's because I
don't know how a better way to see the 10 replies on my post and type a new
one using my mail client.

Maybe I'm missing something here (like I said in my early first post), but I
even don't know how to set a total delivery for all messages sent here, I
only receive a digest and there is no option to receive
instant-notification, although I believe mailman has this option but maybe
the case here was disabled by an administrator or I'm doing something wrong
and I can't find the way to do it... please advise?



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RE: The 9.10 boot loader progress bar

[Chris Jones]

>
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:58:09 -0300
> From: Brian Vidal Castillo 
> Subject: Re: The 9.10 boot loader progress bar
> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <4b5fabc1.7030...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> We don't want text-based bootloaders... that's why Cannonical is orking
> really hard with plymouth, xsplash and even usplash.
>
> Having that set of indicators will help for sure. I have seen my laptop
> stops after a kernel upgrade, so this way i could know what's the problem.
>
> This will be even better than a progress bar. Just a nice background in
> Xsplash with Ubuntu AND the version and then the icons on bottom, when
> they are all light up, my system is ready. Simple and beautiful.
>
> Could not be more perfect.
>
>

You mean that you don't want text based boot loaders? It's just that your
post seemed so certain.

You may not be aware, but there are a select few of us out there that
actually like text based boot loaders or at least an easy way to view the
text upon boot.
Example -- I run Fedora 11 and as much as I like Plymouth, I quite regularly
press the "ESC" key to view the text loading for x reason.

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Re: Dual Core CPU not seen after an upgrade to Karmic

[David MENTRE]

Hello,

2010/1/28 David MENTRE :
> For the record, I have opened a bug against "linux" package (thanks Dustin):
>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/513905

For archives: following Chris Cheney advice, I looked at the BIOS. I
switched ACPI level to 3.0 (vs. 1.0 previously) and activated ACPI
(vs. disabled previously). The second core of my CPU is now seen and
back!! :-)

I've closed the above bug.

Best regards,
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Re: Dual Core CPU not seen after an upgrade to Karmic

[David MENTRE]

Hello,

2010/1/27 David MENTRE :
> After an upgrade of my dual core AMD 4050e machine to Karmic, the
> second core is no longer seen (/proc/cpuinfo shows only one CPU).  I
> have never seen this issue  with Jaunty.
>
> Is this a known issue? Should I report it? To which package?

For the record, I have opened a bug against "linux" package (thanks Dustin):
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/513905

Regards,
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Re: Dual Core CPU not seen after an upgrade to Karmic

[David MENTRE]

Hello,

2010/1/28 Christian Schuglitsch :
> Type uname -r and tell us the output. Can it be that you have the i386
> kernel installed instead of the generic kernel?

No, I do have the generic kernel:

 $ uname -r
 2.6.31-17-generic

I never had such issues before and I have used many Ubuntu releases,
that's why this behaviour surprised me.

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Re: Question about this list

[Siegfried-A. Gevatter]

2010/1/28 Amahdy :
> What the problem really? when the quoted-text is collapsed and the replies
> are organized together and simple navigation ... yes I can follow threads at
> google-groups even if it's with hundred replies, but here my thread with
> about 10 replies, I opened 10 tabs to see them all and another tab to type
> this reply!

So why are you doing that?

Maybe I didn't understand it correctly, but I got the impression that
you are reading the messages from the mailing list archives at
lists.ubuntu.com using your web browser, which is insane if you're
following a list daily (and don't just want to lookup a few old mail,
or get a link to them for someone else's reference).

The purpose of a mailing list is that you subscribe to it so that
you'll get a copy of all mails send there, which you can then handle
the way you want with your favorite client (be it mutt, Thunderbird or
Gmail's web interface).

If you don't want to subscribe, you still could use this interface:
http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.discuss (where you get
all replies to a thread in a single page, and from where you can reply
to them with a click). Or this read-only view:
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.discuss . Or use a
newsgroup reader like someone else already mentioned.

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Re: Question about this list

[Amahdy]

When I tell someone to migrate from Windows to Ubuntu because it's more
stable, feature, performance ... etc, the answer is: I like what I'm now and
I don't want to change it, my outlook is configured, my bookmarks are set,
and hey I use FF not IE so please leave me like that.

When I ask a Linux-adminsitrator to use Ubuntu-server, he tells me that a
server is RedHat or Suse, I already have my organized scripts, environment,
rpm's, I know how to compile PHP under Redhat easily and he prefer it more
than using the easy way that Ubuntu does, he also like to perform
configuration changes manually rather than using dpkg-rec.. or any thing ...

And when I come here to ask you guys why u r that old with a very old way of
communication, I don't receive much different answers, ppl are the same all
over the OS, a person like what he is now and don't want to change it
because simply he is afraid from try the *new* things.

I won't re-write why I said that this list is very old fashion, I have
pretty stated many of them more than once, please don't tell me that I
haven't answered the question and that I'm talking about features only, no
I'm talking about many things and what I have here that nobody yet answered
my question, or the answers are not logistic ... and I haven't said use rss
for lists, I said I suggest rss but of course Mozilla-Hackers have their
tools too, and I'm highly sure they are more advanced than yours here that's
why in December-2009 they reached in the market 52% for (FF 3.5) while 11%
for (IE 7).

It's not my google-mail problem with the cropped-email, I received it
correctly in my GMail, but it's on the website cropped, go see it yourself,
this is not a google bug but a lists-bug.

I may use mutt if I want to be different from a normal user and have a tool
that a normal user can never use, but please don't tell me that the usage of
mutt is better than gmail as an email client, or faster or anything, I may
use mutt for reading local-emails on the remote server that's the best thing
it can fit for.

>Again, I challenge you to try following a thread longer than 5 messages on
Google groups. It's simple not possible.
What the problem really? when the quoted-text is collapsed and the replies
are organized together and simple navigation ... yes I can follow threads at
google-groups even if it's with hundred replies, but here my thread with
about 10 replies, I opened 10 tabs to see them all and another tab to type
this reply!





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Re: Dual Core CPU not seen after an upgrade to Karmic

[Brett Mahar]

> After an upgrade of my dual core AMD 4050e machine to Karmic, the
> second core is no longer seen (/proc/cpuinfo shows only one CPU).  I
> have never seen this issue  with Jaunty.

 I recently bought an eMachines desktop with an Athlon X2 5050e dual core
processor. I installed Ubuntu 64bit (9.10 Karmic) and it runs on dual cores with
no adjustments necessary.
Brett.

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wvdial postinst script bugs

[Forest Bond]

Hi,

The wvdial postinst script runs wvdialconf which tries to detect modems and
write out /etc/wvdial.conf.  There have been several bugs reported where
wvdialconf hangs while probing serial ports and the wvdialconf process must be
killed, leaving the package unconfigured.

You may wish to scan the bug list briefly:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wvdial

I have just run into this issue and have reported bug #513787.  It is indeed a
bug if wvdialconf hangs when probing serial devices.

However, I wanted to bring this issue up here because I don't think it's
appropriate for a postinst script to probe serial devices without at least
asking the user first.

It's impossible to probe serial devices without possibly disrupting
communication for processes that are already making use of the device.
Depending upon what sort of device is connected to the port, probing may cause a
network connection to fail, introduce data corruption on a connection, or a
variety of potentially worse problems, depending on what sort of device is on
the other end (consider what might happen if someone tries to install wvdial on
a machine that is using the serial ports to control some mechanical device).

wvdial does use debconf to decide if it should automatically detect modems, but
this setting is given priority "low" and defaults to "yes", so most users are
never asked.  I think the priority should be higher, and I think the default
should be "no" to avoid problems with noninteractive installation.

Thoughts?

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Re: Question about this list

[Markus Schönhaber]

28.01.2010 02:26, Amahdy:

> Anybody who read my original email in the digest will notice the problem,
> the "From" has a special-char before it but I never typed it in my original
> email, I don't know why this happened too maybe somebody could explain, but
> my email is cropped at the original list website.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 03:10, Amahdy  wrote:
> 
>> Is there some kind of problem here or is it for me only? my email is never
>> continued, it cut off the rest of the email starting from the word: F - R -
>> O - M -- a - n - o - t - h - e - r  do I only have this problem or
>> what's exactly?

If that "special-char" preceding "From" you're referring to is a ">"
then it looks like MBox's ">From-quoting". In MBox format, the start of
a new message is determined by a blank line followed by a line starting
with "From "[1]. If a message itself contains a blank line followed by a
line starting with "From ", the "From " will become ">From " to indicate
that it's not the start of a new message.

If the digest uses or is somehow created from MBox, this might be an
explanation.

[1] The blank line may be missing at the start of the file, obviously.
But that's completely irrelevant here.

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Re: Dual Core CPU not seen after an upgrade to Karmic

[Christian Schuglitsch]

Type uname -r and tell us the output. Can it be that you have the i386 
kernel installed instead of the generic kernel?

Am 27.01.2010 23:28 schrieb David MENTRE:
> Hello,
>
> After an upgrade of my dual core AMD 4050e machine to Karmic, the
> second core is no longer seen (/proc/cpuinfo shows only one CPU).  I
> have never seen this issue  with Jaunty.
>
> Is this a known issue? Should I report it? To which package?
>
> Any idea how I could get back my second core?
>
> Regards,
> d.
>
>


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Re: Question about this list

[Derek Broughton]

Amahdy wrote:

>>Because what we have works very well and doesn't rely on an external
> entity.
> 
> We all know that there is "no bug free software", so if mailman is very
> good, google-groups are -per my usage- very good too
> 
>>Mailing lists are the lifeblood of most open source projects.
> 
> Always wondering why!! why not move on to a *group*

Google didn't invent "groups".  It's just a proprietary Usenet.  If you 
prefer reading a newsgroup, you can get just about any Linux "list" via 
gmane - and those of us who prefer "groups", do: 
nntp://gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.discuss

>>they perform their designated task far more effectively.
> 
> More effectively based on what? in our list here, open the archive, then
> choose January-2010, then choose sort by date, then open a random thread,
> then press "Next"
> The next one will be the next one "by thread" not "by date" as expected,
> this maybe a small bug (but I don't think so) or maybe it's something that
> wasn't "designated" from the beginning. and here is what I wanted to
> perform: open the list-page sorted by date and read the new threads by
> pressing next, next ... not by click, then back, then scroll, then click,

That's a client function - my newsreader and mail client both read the 
"next" message by pressing the space bar.

> then aahhh I opened this one before that ... then close the browser and I
> don't want to read anything. what if from my simple browsing I want to
> just hit reply and send, this also not in the design at all, instead I
> MUST use an email client which is oh my god I was just navigating the list
> from my mobile phone and it does not contains a multi-tab to open the
> email in another tab without loosing this page 

Again, that's in your choice of client, and nothing to do with using Google 
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Re: Question about this list

[Derek Broughton]

Amahdy wrote:

> Anybody who read my original email in the digest will notice the problem,
> the "From" has a special-char before it but I never typed it in my
> original email, I don't know why this happened too maybe somebody could
> explain, but my email is cropped at the original list website.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 03:10, Amahdy  wrote:
> 
>> Is there some kind of problem here or is it for me only? my email is
>> never continued, it cut off the rest of the email starting from the word:
>> F - R - O - M -- a - n - o - t - h - e - r  do I only have this
>> problem or what's exactly?

This would be why so many vehemently oppose the use of Google - it just 
refuses to play well with others.  I doubt anybody else saw your emails "cut 
off" - we saw the whole post each time.
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Re: Question about this list

[Remco]

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 03:19, Amahdy  wrote:
> One thing to mention, under windows, for example to change something in the
> taskbar without mouse: press win-logo, press it again (it will be
> activated), press tab then tab till you reach the taskbar, then press the
> right-click-input, then choose from the menu, now tell me if this is could
> be easily done (by default) under Ubuntu? indeed Ubuntu was designed to be
> very user friendly that the design lack a support for the developers who
> lover keyboard, their only alternative is commands over terminal, yet there
> is not a default shortcut-key to open the terminal.

Please find another example, because this is very easy to do:
Ctrl-Alt-Tab until you reach the bottom panel, then use the arrows to
go to the right panel item.

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Re: how to propose a new feature on Ubuntu?

[Marco Pallotta]

2010/1/28 Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) :
> Hi Marco
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Marco Pallotta
>  wrote:
>> In this last page I was suggested to contact ubuntu-devel-discuss
>> mailing list about my idea. So I did it.
>> In fact I proposed a new feature on 7 Jan 2010 ("making a workaround
>> web page for bugs, in LTS release, not fixed"). This proposed was
>> discussed (there were 8 posts) but then nothing. What does it mean? If
>> no Ubuntu developer (I suppose we refer to Canonical official
>> developer) replied to this proposal does it mean that, at the moment,
>> it couldn't be implemented?
>
> This list isn't the right place to suggest features. New ideas should
> be logged on Ubuntu Brainstorm [1], the process is explained on the
> Ubuntu wiki[2]. All features and bug fixes and anything that is
> included in Ubuntu happens via packages in the Debian packaging
> format, if you'd like to implement your ideas yourself, you might want
> to consider learning packaging and/or becoming a MOTU[3].
>
> -Jonathan
>
> [1] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brainstorm
> [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
>

Well, at this point wiki documentation should be corrected as
Brainstorm is indicated as the solution if you don't want to talk
directly to developers (that is ubuntu-devel-list as sayd in my
previous post).

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Re: how to propose a new feature on Ubuntu?

[Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)]

Hi Marco

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Marco Pallotta
 wrote:
> In this last page I was suggested to contact ubuntu-devel-discuss
> mailing list about my idea. So I did it.
> In fact I proposed a new feature on 7 Jan 2010 ("making a workaround
> web page for bugs, in LTS release, not fixed"). This proposed was
> discussed (there were 8 posts) but then nothing. What does it mean? If
> no Ubuntu developer (I suppose we refer to Canonical official
> developer) replied to this proposal does it mean that, at the moment,
> it couldn't be implemented?

This list isn't the right place to suggest features. New ideas should
be logged on Ubuntu Brainstorm [1], the process is explained on the
Ubuntu wiki[2]. All features and bug fixes and anything that is
included in Ubuntu happens via packages in the Debian packaging
format, if you'd like to implement your ideas yourself, you might want
to consider learning packaging and/or becoming a MOTU[3].

-Jonathan

[1] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brainstorm
[3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU

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how to propose a new feature on Ubuntu?

[Marco Pallotta]

I'm quite new to this discussion list and I haven't yet understood
what are the steps to propose a new feature in Ubuntu. I read wiki
documentation and I followed these steps:
- I would like to contribute time or ideas to Ubuntu -> I would like
to ask for a new feature to be implemented -> this is a general Ubuntu
issue -> I have a specific implementation that I am willling to
discuss with Ubuntu developers.
In this last page I was suggested to contact ubuntu-devel-discuss
mailing list about my idea. So I did it.
In fact I proposed a new feature on 7 Jan 2010 ("making a workaround
web page for bugs, in LTS release, not fixed"). This proposed was
discussed (there were 8 posts) but then nothing. What does it mean? If
no Ubuntu developer (I suppose we refer to Canonical official
developer) replied to this proposal does it mean that, at the moment,
it couldn't be implemented?

Moreover I have found this mailing list very dispersive: near new
proposal we can found technical questions (that should go to launchpad
"Technical Answers Systems"),  bugs reports (that should go to
launchpad too), and so on.
Maybe a moderator could be an idea.

Txs for your attention.
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