Re: Why and why.
On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 20:58 +0200, Remco wrote: > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 20:45, Chandru wrote: > > It is proposed that from 11.04 the notification area (which allows actions > > like opening the window with single click and pausing with middle click) > > will be replaced entirely with indicator applet . So just get used to > > clicking more if you continue to use Ubuntu. > > Wait just a bit. The problem is that the notification area is a poor > replacement of the window list. Instead of big strips with an icon and > a title, it's just a tiny icon. And that icon even has arbitrary > behavior. The idea is to get rid of the notification area *and* to > reintroduce the removed features in the window list, application > indicator, or any other place where it is actually appropriate. Well then IMHO it should probably have been left at the old behavior until it was ready. Why totally mess people up with something they have been doing for "years"? It seems an odd and very broken decision process. Just sayin! Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why and why.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 20:45, Chandru wrote: > It is proposed that from 11.04 the notification area (which allows actions > like opening the window with single click and pausing with middle click) > will be replaced entirely with indicator applet . So just get used to > clicking more if you continue to use Ubuntu. Wait just a bit. The problem is that the notification area is a poor replacement of the window list. Instead of big strips with an icon and a title, it's just a tiny icon. And that icon even has arbitrary behavior. The idea is to get rid of the notification area *and* to reintroduce the removed features in the window list, application indicator, or any other place where it is actually appropriate. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why and why.
Sorry for top post. The client in android 1.5 sucks. Why not get rid of rhythnbox's stupid behavior? It seems since 10.04 it has STARTED IN TRAY, and I have to restore it from its tray icon to get at the UI. Why not actually load with the window visible? On Apr 30, 2010 2:46 PM, "Chandru" wrote: All icons of default applications are moved from notification area to indicator applet. This applet ensures that you don't perform any action on the icon other than clicking it. It is proposed that from 11.04 the notification area (which allows actions like opening the window with single click and pausing with middle click) will be replaced entirely with indicator applet . So just get used to clicking more if you continue to use Ubuntu. -- Chandra Sekar.S On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:08 AM, George Farris wrote: > > HI all, > > I j... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why and why.
All icons of default applications are moved from notification area to indicator applet. This applet ensures that you don't perform any action on the icon other than clicking it. It is proposed that from 11.04 the notification area (which allows actions like opening the window with single click and pausing with middle click) will be replaced entirely with indicator applet . So just get used to clicking more if you continue to use Ubuntu. -- Chandra Sekar.S On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:08 AM, George Farris wrote: > HI all, > > I just upgraded to 10.04 and Rhythmbox is all messed up. Why oh why > when it was working perfectly does some one who presumable never used it > messes it all up. > > First you can no longer click on the icon in the panel and have the app > toggle to window mode and then back to an icon. Also one can no longer > middle click and have it stop playing. > > A total removal of features and for what...extra mouse clicks..how > annoying is that. > > I find this type of thing absolutely amazing. > > Hope to have this functionality returned soon but. > > Was this a mistake or? > > Yes much of 10.04 is better but this is just plain weird. > > Disgusted. > > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why and why.
Rhythmbox minimizing to tray was always a broken design decision. They just made it more broken. We have virtual desktops. Why is the notification area being used as an alternate UI and a way to remove a window from the task tray? On Apr 30, 2010 2:39 PM, "George Farris" wrote: HI all, I just upgraded to 10.04 and Rhythmbox is all messed up. Why oh why when it was working perfectly does some one who presumable never used it messes it all up. First you can no longer click on the icon in the panel and have the app toggle to window mode and then back to an icon. Also one can no longer middle click and have it stop playing. A total removal of features and for what...extra mouse clicks..how annoying is that. I find this type of thing absolutely amazing. Hope to have this functionality returned soon but. Was this a mistake or? Yes much of 10.04 is better but this is just plain weird. Disgusted. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Why and why.
HI all, I just upgraded to 10.04 and Rhythmbox is all messed up. Why oh why when it was working perfectly does some one who presumable never used it messes it all up. First you can no longer click on the icon in the panel and have the app toggle to window mode and then back to an icon. Also one can no longer middle click and have it stop playing. A total removal of features and for what...extra mouse clicks..how annoying is that. I find this type of thing absolutely amazing. Hope to have this functionality returned soon but. Was this a mistake or? Yes much of 10.04 is better but this is just plain weird. Disgusted. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No mouse or keyboard on 10.04 no GNOME
On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 08:35 -0300, vododo wrote: > I tried to upgrade to ubuntu 10.04 and I had several problems. > I used the save-upgrade method. Once it was done, GNOME didn't start. As others have said, upgrading with apt-get or aptitude is not the recommended method. The recommended method is explained here (which is linked from the announcement page for the new release): http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading That said, it should be possible to upgrade with apt-get/aptitude if you somewhat know what you are doing, and with some massaging you should be able to recover. First of all, "aptitude safe-upgrade" can never work for a full distribution upgrade, because this method is guaranteed not to remove packages (which is why it is safe), but exactly this is certainly needed during a distribution upgrade. I'd recommend you try the following (I have gone through the list repeatedly and tried to avoid any errors, but please think for yourself and do not follow it blindly): 1. Backup your valuable data if that's still an option. If you cannot do this, then accept that if you make mistakes, I cannot guarantee that your data will survive. If you cannot accept this, get qualified help (there may be an Ubuntu release party near you that offers support; if free support is not available, get paid support) 2. Read this (on another computer, print it out if necessary): http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004 3. Make sure you understand whether the release notes indicate that you need to do anything manually (that is, stuff that would have been performed automatically had you used the recommended method). 4. Since X does not work, log into your machine on the text terminal 5. Make sure that your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files are all correctly changed for 10.04 (lucid). Disable all third-party sources by commenting them out. 6. Run "sudo aptitude update". 7. Run "sudo aptitude full-upgrade" (note the full- instead of safe-, which allows aptitude to remove packages). 8. If it exits without any errors, go to step 15. Otherwise, run it again. Repeat until it finishes successfully. If it does, go to step 15, if it does not, repeat until its output is the same as it was on the previous run and go to step 9. 9. Run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and "sudo apt-get install --fix-broken" repeatedly until either command's output is the same as it was on the previous run. 10. For good measure, try steps 7 and 8 some more. 11. If the error messages indicate that dpkg gets stuck during installation due to conflicts, read "man dpkg" and study the --force-things options carefully. Then run the required "sudo dpkg --force-things" command. This can be dangerous to your system if you don't know what you are doing. 12. Repeat step 7 and if needed through to step 11. 13. At some point "sudo aptitude full-upgrade" should finish cleanly. 14. Run "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop". This package is required to ensure that 10.04 (Lucid) is fully installed. It can be removed when you are fully done, if you do not want to run the full Ubuntu desktop for some reason. If it runs cleany, good. Otherwise try to fix errors as before. 15. Reboot and hope. 16. If X runs, you are nearly done. Run "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade". If this command has errors, you should now be proficient enough with aptitude, apt-get and dpkg to figure it out, or you need to get more help. 17. Reenable your third-party sources (change them to lucid). Run "sudo aptitude update" and install what you need. Also, this is not the support list, as others have pointed out. Please direct future support requests to the given links. You may also email me personally, but please provide the exact error messages you get during the upgrade, and the appropriate log files from /var/log, depending on where the failure is (if X and therefore gdm do not start, /var/log/Xorg.0.log is a good start) Regards Mario -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No mouse or keyboard on 10.04 no GNOME
On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 14:28 +0100, Joao Pinto wrote: > I can't work without my computer and I'm in deep trouble! > Who someone help me?? > > This is not a support mailing list, please check: > http://www.ubuntu.com/support/communitysupport When you post there, please be SURE to provide very detailed information on your hardware. That includes the form factor (desktop, laptop, etc.) as well as vendor and model number, amount of RAM, type of video card, and any other "interesting" things about your hardware. Also, be sure to mention what version of Ubuntu you were running before you tried to upgrade. And, a description of exactly what you did (I don't know what the "save-upgrade method" is). Asking good questions is the single most critical factor in getting usable help. Good luck! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No mouse or keyboard on 10.04 no GNOME
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:35 PM, vododo wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > I tried to upgrade to ubuntu 10.04 and I had several problems. > > I used the save-upgrade method. Once it was done, GNOME didn't start. I > tried > The proper way to upgrade is using update-manager or do-release-upgrade, you may have problems from selecting an unsupported upgrade procedure. > > sudo gdm start > > I came to the login screen, but, neither the mouse nor the keyboard > respond. > > If I try the > sudo startx > Starting a X session as the root user is a bad idea. > > I can reach the GNOME environment, but, mouse and keyboard don´t work > either and it > comes a message asking if I want to delete the > > "OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet" > > looking on internet there I couldn't find anything helpful. > > I can't work without my computer and I'm in deep trouble! > Who someone help me?? > Thanx a lot > Renato > > This is not a support mailing list, please check: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/communitysupport Thanks -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
No mouse or keyboard on 10.04 no GNOME
Hi folks, I tried to upgrade to ubuntu 10.04 and I had several problems.I used the save-upgrade method. Once it was done, GNOME didn't start. I tried sudo gdm startI came to the login screen, but, neither the mouse nor the keyboard respond.If I try the sudo startxI can reach the GNOME environment, but, mouse and keyboard don´t work either and it comes a message asking if I want to delete the"OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet" looking on internet there I couldn't find anything helpful.I can't work without my computer and I'm in deep trouble! Who someone help me??Thanx a lotRenato -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
