Re: Maverick is open for development
Hello Dmitrijs, Dmitrijs Ledkovs [2010-05-08 20:35 +0100]: > Maverick is still a little bit confused about its toolchain though. > To me it looks like gcc-defaults hasn't been reuploaded yet to depend > on gcc-4.5 instead of gcc-4.4. Right, that's on purpose (discussed with Matthias). Whether or not 4.5 becomes the default is an UDS decision, as far as I understood. Martin -- Martin Pitthttp://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer http://www.ubuntu.com Debian Developer http://www.debian.org -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Windows controls: new button layout
Of course, then crave in to Ubuntu, It does not give you a window into humanity! It is ourselves, as plainly as we are. At the very least of such a pinnacle of an ideal. Would you expend only on windows into the world? Then it is a Ubuntu default style that resembles windows or Mac'donald? In ambient and radiance of the eyes and not the stomach. My stupendous cents! On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Chris Jones wrote: >>>Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:00:10 +0200 >>>From: V for Vortex >>> >>>If you are using Windows and Ubuntu together, it may be better for you >>>to have the buttons at the same location on both systems. On the >>>other hand, Mac+Ubuntu users should be happier with the new layout. >>> >>>I control my windows mostly with the keyboard (compiz has some great >>>options for this), so I am not bothered with the new layout most of the >>>time. ;) >>> >>>Ciao >>> >>>V. > > I caved in. But I tried. Believe me, I really tried. Since my post, I have > changes theme to a more traditional feel for the buttons and a cause for > less confusion to my rusting old brain. > > I agree, if you dual boot with Windows, it's just too confusing. > > > -- > Chris Jones > Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer > ABN: 98 317 740 240 > > Photo Resolutions > Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com > Email: > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Maverick is open for development
On 8 May 2010 07:59, Martin Pitt wrote: > Hello Ubuntu Developers, > > those of you who are already on maverick-changes[1] will have noticed, > but now it is official: Maverick is open for development now, go wild! > > Martin > > [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/maverick-changes > Maverick is still a little bit confused about its toolchain though. To me it looks like gcc-defaults hasn't been reuploaded yet to depend on gcc-4.5 instead of gcc-4.4. Looking at the buildlog which finished 13 minutes ago [1] it uses 4.4 toolchain: """ Toolchain package versions: libc6-dev_2.11.1-0ubuntu8 make_3.81-7ubuntu1 dpkg-dev_1.15.5.6ubuntu4 g++-4.4_4.4.4-1ubuntu1 gcc-4.4_4.4.4-1ubuntu1 binutils_2.20.1-9ubuntu1 libstdc++6_4.5.0-2ubuntu2 libstdc++6-4.4-dev_4.4.4-1ubuntu1 """ On irc I was told that we will be using gcc-4.5 for maverick. [1] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48079893/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.ucommon_2.1.3-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz > -- > Martin Pitt | http://www.piware.de > Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Windows controls: new button layout
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Dylan McCall wrote: > Speaking of release notes, I was looking for the 10.04 release notes > to see what we had going on there for the button layout change, but I > actually _couldn't find them_ from ubuntu.com. Am I just going crazy? http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Windows controls: new button layout
> It would have been really appreciated if someone had thought of this in the > case of package upgrade. Better still, this change shouldn't require one to > have to open gconf-editor and find the place to set it -- most people that I > know who use Ubuntu don't even know what a window manager is -- let alone > that their window manager is called metacity. This should have been a > toggle-switch on the "windows" preferences dialog, something along the lines > of "look like a mac/look like windows" That is the case, actually, but it's done with no extra widgetry. Window button layout is now tied to your selected theme in 10.04. Technically, the default value for the /apps/metacity/general/button_layout key is still menu:minimize,maximize,close, so mose themes (that don't set button_layout) are still shown that way. It's just the Ambiance, Radiance and Dust themes that explicitly set button_layout to something else ;) If you want the old button layout, simply change to a different theme, for example Human, or the awesome Homosapien in apt:community-themes. Indeed, it would have been nice if the theme thumbnails reflected this, but they don't. (Come to think of it, I wish those thumbnails didn't need to be auto generated. It gets very drab having the same visual repeated again and again and again, even if it is technically informative…) If someone wants the awesome new themes but wants buttons on the right, I made an installable theme for that case: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dylanmccall/downloads/themes/Ambience_Radiance-Right.tar.gz Download it, then drag the file to the Appearance Preferences dialog to install it. Unfortunately, all sorts of people are convincing less technically focused users to go about the overcomplicated (and neither fun nor obvious) route to customizing button layout by directly altering the gconf key. I think part of this problem is a lack of nice upgrade notes (there's just the tour, which focuses on newcomers), and certain web sites which posted how-tos on this topic yet neglected to research the particulars or to update their how-tos as the landscape changed. (Okay, kudos to TechPad for having an update at the bottom of their article, but it's still small print at the bottom; people tend to read that last). Speaking of release notes, I was looking for the 10.04 release notes to see what we had going on there for the button layout change, but I actually _couldn't find them_ from ubuntu.com. Am I just going crazy? Thanks, Dylan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Windows controls: new button layout
on Sat, 08 May 2010 10:38:12 +0200 Oliver Grawert wrote: > the problem here is that you very likely didnt have a user setting for > it (it wasnt necessary since the default pleased you). only the system > default changed and if there is no diff between your setting and the > system default there cant be any prompt (beyond that, your user setting > would just override the system setting silently if there was one). It would have been really appreciated if someone had thought of this in the case of package upgrade. Better still, this change shouldn't require one to have to open gconf-editor and find the place to set it -- most people that I know who use Ubuntu don't even know what a window manager is -- let alone that their window manager is called metacity. This should have been a toggle-switch on the "windows" preferences dialog, something along the lines of "look like a mac/look like windows". I know a lot of users from the Windows world who won't appreciate the new setup and I'm going to have to teach them about metacity, gconf and how to work with settings -- most of these people have also been brow-beaten in the past not to use regedit, which, let's be honest, is quite analagous to gconf-editor. Like I said: just my 2 cents' worth. I've worked around it, no real problem (though I did need to google to remember that metacity had this as config in gconf). But the option should be presented to the user, not just implemented, imo -- most especially since it's a break from the average desktop (which is Windows) and it's a break from prior behaviour. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The competent programmer is fully aware of the limited size of his own skull. He therefore approaches his task with full humility, and avoids clever tricks like the plague. - Djikstra. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Windows controls: new button layout
Am Sat, 08 May 2010 10:38:12 +0200 schrieb Oliver Grawert : > hi, > Am Samstag, den 08.05.2010, 08:50 +0200 schrieb Davyd McColl: > > still would have been great if the post-install script could have > > asked me before just letting it be. > > the problem here is that you very likely didnt have a user setting for > it (it wasnt necessary since the default pleased you). It's simple, such intrusive default changes should probably not be made on upgrades without asking. The very worst thing however is, that there is no simple user setting to enable the everyday mainstream way again. All would be ok if window buttons could be moved by the user in the same way pannel buttons can be moved (by right-clicking), but they are not. > i'm really doubtful about the indicator behavior of forcing you to > use three to five clicks through a menu where a sigle click was enough > before. Second that. Unresponsive dumb notifications go against giving options in context, that is where your awareness is. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: Windows controls: new button layout
hi, Am Samstag, den 08.05.2010, 08:50 +0200 schrieb Davyd McColl: > I'm just annoyed that this setting (and locking my workstation when it > goes to screensaver -- probably others too) was applied on a > dist-upgrade without any prompt. I don't want a macified interface -- > it doesn't feel natural to me, partly for the "uses Windows the rest > of the time" argument (I work on Windows, home is mainly Ubuntu except > for some games where I have to dual-boot). > It would have been super-nice if a user's gconf settings weren't > tampered with at upgrade. I don't ever recall an upgrade changing my > config in the past. I don't know if the change came out of some system > of overlays (I'm not a gconf expert, I'll admit), but it still would > have been great if the post-install script could have asked me before > just letting it be. the problem here is that you very likely didnt have a user setting for it (it wasnt necessary since the default pleased you). only the system default changed and if there is no diff between your setting and the system default there cant be any prompt (beyond that, your user setting would just override the system setting silently if there was one). ciao oli PS: i fully agree that the new screensaver behavior is most annoying, seems the desktop redesign in lucid added a lot of unnecessary extra clicks slowing down ones workflow a lot (i suspect there is a secret conspiracy between the DX team and mouse/keyboard manufacturers in the times of touchscreen driven ipads ;) ) i'm a big fan of the new button layout (and no, i never was an apple user) but i'm really doubtful about the indicator behavior of forcing you to use three to five clicks through a menu where a sigle click was enough before. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
