Remove OO Draw from the default install
Hey all, I forgot to mention this at the session for default app selection but can we remove Open Office Draw from the default ubuntu install? The reasons are quite obvious it just isnt any good and I dont think any of the regular users actually use it. --fagan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Shane Fagan shanepatrickfa...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hey all, I forgot to mention this at the session for default app selection but can we remove Open Office Draw from the default ubuntu install? The reasons are quite obvious it just isnt any good and I dont think any of the regular users actually use it. This probably deserves some discussion. I'm not a huge fan or openoffice in general for various reasons but it seems to be the best free software available for a wide audience (LaTeX, R and other great tools are way too specialised and techie). Back to OOo draw: it seems to me that it is just impress without the effect parts and as such I don't think it uses much space. For the record I do use it (mostly to do simple drawings, export them as pdf and insert them into latex document, so I guess I'm not the main target here...). I don't mind installing extra software so removing it would be OK for me, but only if it does allow a huge space gain, which I doubt (the size of the .deb isn't a good hint here as impress is tiny and depends on draw). Best regards. -- Aurélien Naldi -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
Of all the tools available by default it is the best at handling diagramming. Since most of openoffice is included, it shouldn't add much to the space on the CD. Unless an equivalent or better diagramming tool is included it is not a good idea to remove it from the default install. -- Chandra Sekar.S On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Shane Fagan shanepatrickfa...@ubuntu.comwrote: Hey all, I forgot to mention this at the session for default app selection but can we remove Open Office Draw from the default ubuntu install? The reasons are quite obvious it just isnt any good and I dont think any of the regular users actually use it. --fagan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
This is my first time posting to a mailing list in years, so someone let me know if I messed up. :) I've found Dia to be useful for diagrams. It's a lot like Visio (the flowchart program in MS Office). On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Chandru chandru...@gmail.com wrote: Of all the tools available by default it is the best at handling diagramming. Since most of openoffice is included, it shouldn't add much to the space on the CD. Unless an equivalent or better diagramming tool is included it is not a good idea to remove it from the default install. -- Chandra Sekar.S On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Shane Fagan shanepatrickfa...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hey all, I forgot to mention this at the session for default app selection but can we remove Open Office Draw from the default ubuntu install? The reasons are quite obvious it just isnt any good and I dont think any of the regular users actually use it. --fagan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 09:49 -0400, Michael Robinson wrote: This is my first time posting to a mailing list in years, so someone let me know if I messed up. :) I've found Dia to be useful for diagrams. It's a lot like Visio (the flowchart program in MS Office). I took a look at Dia in the Ubuntu Software Center. While it looks well-adapted for diagramming schematics and such, I'm not sure how it would do with flow charts and the like. Any thoughts on that? --Dane -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dane Mutters dmutt...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 09:49 -0400, Michael Robinson wrote: I took a look at Dia in the Ubuntu Software Center. While it looks well-adapted for diagramming schematics and such, I'm not sure how it would do with flow charts and the like. Any thoughts on that? --Dane I'm not knowledgeable enough about them to know what an average flowchart-using person would need, but I do know it has flowchart symbols in the dropdown box. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
A Question about Quickly
Hey there. Love you guys for the work you did in Lucid. Amazing. So, here I am loving Ubuntu, checking out quickly. I really love quickly and quickly-widgets. My concern/question is that when someone uses quickly widgets, it makes his quickly-done-cool-app depend on quickly. Which in-turn depends on lots and lots of things. So my 100kb cool-app now downloads megabytes with it. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that how it works? I think widgets and prompts should be moved to a separate package or qucikly should insert the code for the widgets to some module in the app itself. May be something like this. $ quickly add quickly-widget couch-grid and the code for couch-grid sits in MY-COOL-APP.Widgets. This way no app will depend on quickly itself. -- Owais Lone he...@owaislone.org http://www.owaislone.org -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: A Question about Quickly
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Owais Lone he...@owaislone.org wrote: Hey there. Love you guys for the work you did in Lucid. Amazing. So, here I am loving Ubuntu, checking out quickly. I really love quickly and quickly-widgets. My concern/question is that when someone uses quickly widgets, it makes his quickly-done-cool-app depend on quickly. Which in-turn depends on lots and lots of things. So my 100kb cool-app now downloads megabytes with it. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that how it works? I think widgets and prompts should be moved to a separate package or qucikly should insert the code for the widgets to some module in the app itself. May be something like this. $ quickly add quickly-widget couch-grid and the code for couch-grid sits in MY-COOL-APP.Widgets. This way no app will depend on quickly itself. I got it friends. I just realized that widgets are contained in python-quickly and not quickly itself. :-) -- Owais Lone he...@owaislone.org http://www.owaislone.org -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removal of PulseAudio from Ubuntu
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, I.E.G. kopci...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for the rambling , non technical dissertation but I felt we the users(if I dare speak for more than myself) needed to be heard . For a long time I have felt that there is an artificial disconnect between users and developers. Since when are developers not users? Of course people want things to Just Work and will choose the path of least resistance, but it's worth pointing out that in the case of Linux audio the paths are neither straight nor understandable. In the case of stuttering audio on modern laptops and desktops, a fix was committed upstream last Tuesday. It may be integrated into Lucid's kernel after sufficient testing. Certainly it will land for Maverick. The best path forward is to file a bug against the alsa-driver source package in Launchpad so that we have your specific hardware information to effect workarounds and/or fixes. Best, -Dan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
On 16 May 2010 18:53, David Futcher bo...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 16 May 2010 15:26, Dane Mutters dmutt...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 09:49 -0400, Michael Robinson wrote: I've found Dia to be useful for diagrams. It's a lot like Visio (the flowchart program in MS Office). I took a look at Dia in the Ubuntu Software Center. While it looks well-adapted for diagramming schematics and such, I'm not sure how it would do with flow charts and the like. Any thoughts on that? I have used Dia a bit and found it quite clunky and difficult to use. The graphics in the files aren't spectacular either. I haven't used Openoffice Draw before but seeing was we include much of OO.o anyway, I don't think it would really make too much sense to replace it with something that is (apparently, again I have not used OO Draw) not much better. Are there any other suggestions for a replacement app? Dia seems to really be the other go-to app for diagramming, but it doesn't really feel professional or sleek enough to include in the default install. I personally find Google Docs Diagrams more flexible and easier to use than OO.o Draw Dia both for a quick vector sketch flowcharts. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
On 16/05/10 12:27, Shane Fagan wrote: Hey all, I forgot to mention this at the session for default app selection but can we remove Open Office Draw from the default ubuntu install? The reasons are quite obvious it just isnt any good and I dont think any of the regular users actually use it. --fagan i agree that oodraw is not much use for most people. but as others have said it probably wont save much space. the draw package seems to be 2.3MB, and install size 9.4MB. i assume that the ability of openoffice to handle documents with shapes in them is in the core. the best vector graphics app is inkscape. it is probably a bit big to add to the default package list. (though it could probably be cut down. inkscape does ship with 36MB of uncompressed tutorial svg files for example) sam -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
