Re: A Question about Quickly
Le dimanche 16 mai 2010 à 22:51 +0530, Owais Lone a écrit : On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Owais Lone he...@owaislone.org wrote: Hey there. Love you guys for the work you did in Lucid. Amazing. So, here I am loving Ubuntu, checking out quickly. I really love quickly and quickly-widgets. My concern/question is that when someone uses quickly widgets, it makes his quickly-done-cool-app depend on quickly. Which in-turn depends on lots and lots of things. So my 100kb cool-app now downloads megabytes with it. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that how it works? I think widgets and prompts should be moved to a separate package or qucikly should insert the code for the widgets to some module in the app itself. May be something like this. $ quickly add quickly-widget couch-grid and the code for couch-grid sits in MY-COOL-APP.Widgets. This way no app will depend on quickly itself. I got it friends. I just realized that widgets are contained in python-quickly and not quickly itself. To be exact, widgets are contained in python-quickly-widgets which only depends on python-quickly-core and some pygtk things ;) So, no depends on Quickly itself and you don't get a world of tons of developer dependencies. Didier -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
We are a school. We use OpenOffice Draw all the time. I agree that it doesn't seem to have been developed recently - a great pity. But it does work and is very useful. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
I would second this. Ubuntu Linux have been penetrating educational market and schools use whole package, including OO.o Draw. Maybe it's not for good looking presentations, but it gives insight about drawing on computer. Dia is really powerful tool and I love it, but I wait for interface redesign to suggest it to anyone else, because it's clumsy and looks very dated. Cheers, Peter. 2010/5/17 Mark Ellse m...@chaseacademy.com: We are a school. We use OpenOffice Draw all the time. I agree that it doesn't seem to have been developed recently - a great pity. But it does work and is very useful. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
I too think that OpenOffice draw is not to be removed. It may be used by a few but considerable number of people, and as previously said, mostly in educational and related works. I also agree to Peteris' view that the Dia interface requires a redesign, to make it more usable to the mainstream users. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: I would second this. Ubuntu Linux have been penetrating educational market and schools use whole package, including OO.o Draw. Maybe it's not for good looking presentations, but it gives insight about drawing on computer. Dia is really powerful tool and I love it, but I wait for interface redesign to suggest it to anyone else, because it's clumsy and looks very dated. Cheers, Peter. 2010/5/17 Mark Ellse m...@chaseacademy.com: We are a school. We use OpenOffice Draw all the time. I agree that it doesn't seem to have been developed recently - a great pity. But it does work and is very useful. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Regards, Saji.N (Opensource Enthusiast) Blog-http://saji89.wordpress.com Launchpad ID-https://launchpad.net/~sajinsj Wiki-https://wiki.ubuntu.com/saji89 Twitter-saji89 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace F-Spot with Solang?
Come on people, F-Spot has been able to NOT copy photos for a few releases now. Yes there are problems with it's speed etc but please gets the facts straight. Just uncheck the copy photos checkbox when importing. Cheers On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:43 +0300, Lucian Adrian Grijincu wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Mario Vukelic mario.vuke...@dantian.org wrote: I don't have an ongoing problem with the importing of photos, since new photos are on the camera's SD card anyway, and of course I want to have them copied somewhere. Though yes, initially it *was* a big step to give up on my existing directory hierarchy and surrender to F-Spot, and I do think that it can be a hurdle, even though I'm personally happy with having done so. One should also consider the a dual-booter's experience with F-Spot. You may be considering switching to Ubuntu but for any kind of reason you're still stuck using Windows (be it games, or some Windows-only software, etc.). During the years you have amassed an impressive collection of photos that you've carefully organised, categorized, tagged, named, etc. Such collections typically occupy at least a few GB or a few tens of GB. How would you feel if F-Spot demanded importing all those photos by copying the to your 15GB Ubuntu partition? Wouldn't you think F-Spot (or if you're not very techy: Ubuntu) is inferior to your Windows tools? -- . ..: Lucian -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
openoffice.org-presentation (Impress) currently depends on it. Assuming we would be keeping that on the CD it would need to be tested to see if the libraries in the draw package are needed by Impress to function, which I am pretty certain they are needed. In that case we would have to split them out into a separate package that stays on the cd for Impress, but that would make the space gained by removal very small. It could still be done if the overall effect is that we don't want users seeing the OpenOffice.org Draw icon in the menu. Also note that OpenOffice.org is a very monolithic office suite and the individual 'App' launchers really all just call the same code (soffice.bin). Each 'App' is just a particular view into that program and each 'App' depends on functionality of the other 'App's so splitting the packaging up to reduce install size has often lead to weird breakage. Its not all linkage via libraries linked at build time, there is code that is dlopened and other code that is called via a registry of sorts. So its nearly impossible to be competely certain which parts of the code are able to safely split into other packages that aren't installed by default which has led to numerous prior bugs in the various distributions that have attempted to do so. Chris On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 12:27 +0100, Shane Fagan wrote: Hey all, I forgot to mention this at the session for default app selection but can we remove Open Office Draw from the default ubuntu install? The reasons are quite obvious it just isnt any good and I dont think any of the regular users actually use it. --fagan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 18:28 -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: openoffice.org-presentation (Impress) currently depends on it. Assuming we would be keeping that on the CD it would need to be tested to see if the libraries in the draw package are needed by Impress to function, which I am pretty certain they are needed. In that case we would have to split them out into a separate package that stays on the cd for Impress, but that would make the space gained by removal very small. It could still be done if the overall effect is that we don't want users seeing the OpenOffice.org Draw icon in the menu. Also note that OpenOffice.org is a very monolithic office suite and the individual 'App' launchers really all just call the same code (soffice.bin). Each 'App' is just a particular view into that program and each 'App' depends on functionality of the other 'App's so splitting the packaging up to reduce install size has often lead to weird breakage. Its not all linkage via libraries linked at build time, there is code that is dlopened and other code that is called via a registry of sorts. So its nearly impossible to be competely certain which parts of the code are able to safely split into other packages that aren't installed by default which has led to numerous prior bugs in the various distributions that have attempted to do so. Chris Hey Chris, So in short its not worth the time to remove it really. I really dont like open office in general but I suppose till something better comes along we will have to put up with it and its quirks. I just thought there was an easier way of splitting the office apart. --fagan On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 12:27 +0100, Shane Fagan wrote: Hey all, I forgot to mention this at the session for default app selection but can we remove Open Office Draw from the default ubuntu install? The reasons are quite obvious it just isnt any good and I dont think any of the regular users actually use it. --fagan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php This should become a full open source project with a community behind it. With Mozilla disregarding H.264, the community needs a full browser capable of H.264 video playback without the privacy issues of Chrome. We need to Iceweasel Chromium. I'm willing to put the infinityOS team behind this, but I would like the help and support of the Ubuntu community. Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 01:05 +0100, Shane Fagan wrote: On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 18:28 -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: openoffice.org-presentation (Impress) currently depends on it. Assuming we would be keeping that on the CD it would need to be tested to see if the libraries in the draw package are needed by Impress to function, which I am pretty certain they are needed. In that case we would have to split them out into a separate package that stays on the cd for Impress, but that would make the space gained by removal very small. It could still be done if the overall effect is that we don't want users seeing the OpenOffice.org Draw icon in the menu. Also note that OpenOffice.org is a very monolithic office suite and the individual 'App' launchers really all just call the same code (soffice.bin). Each 'App' is just a particular view into that program and each 'App' depends on functionality of the other 'App's so splitting the packaging up to reduce install size has often lead to weird breakage. Its not all linkage via libraries linked at build time, there is code that is dlopened and other code that is called via a registry of sorts. So its nearly impossible to be competely certain which parts of the code are able to safely split into other packages that aren't installed by default which has led to numerous prior bugs in the various distributions that have attempted to do so. Chris Hey Chris, So in short its not worth the time to remove it really. I really dont like open office in general but I suppose till something better comes along we will have to put up with it and its quirks. I just thought there was an easier way of splitting the office apart. --fagan It might buy us a little space but probably not too much so I would really only advise doing it if we intend the change to be just for hiding the Draw application. We might be able to actually remove it without any related crashes happening but I am pretty sure that at minimum the ability to draw items in Impress would be removed, which would probably confuse users. Chris -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
