Re: maverick-proposed queue freeze
On Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:23:26 pm Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Jamie Bennett > > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > According to the Linaro release process [1] the maverick-proposed queue > > will be frozen tomorrow. After this date no uploads should be accepted > > for -proposed until the queue unfreezes on 8th November 2010 without > > consultation with the Linaro release team [2]. The total freeze time > > will be 12 days. > > > > The freeze process was agreed at the platform sprint in Prague and has > > benefits for both Ubuntu and Linaro. This period should be used to flush > > the -proposed queue, testing, verifying and promoting to > > maverick-updates what is currently there. If you have an update that > > really must be added to the queue in the next 12 days please email the > > team[3] for feedback. > > Is this for the entire archive; will it effect Universe/un-seed > packages as well? (BTW: Is there a Linaro package set? Is there a > canonical list of package sets anywhere?) There isn't a Linaro package set, AFAIK. From what I know of their interests, I expect this will directly affect some packages in Universe. I'm not on the SRU team, so I didn't follow this closely, so I'm not the best person to describe the details of the plan. > > The Linaro Release Candidate images will be created on the 1st November > > and the images will be verified until Final Release on the 10th > > November. > > It might be nice if this information is included in the Ubuntu release > schedule as well for Ubuntu developers like myself who aren't > following Linaro development closely as this impacts our work. At the time the Maverick schedule was approved, this requirement didn't exist, so it's not in the Maverick schedule (we should check the Natty schedule and get this added if it's not there). This was discussed with the Ubuntu SRU team on ubuntu-rele...@l.u.c. It's my understanding (I'm subscribed to the list due to being on the release team, so I was aware of this, but not focused on it), that there was an intent to communicate this earlier. I'm not sure why this didn't happen, but I think the positive intent was there for exactly what you are asking for. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: help on ubuntu packaging
On 2010-10-26 13:26, travis+ml-ubuntu-devel-disc...@subspacefield.org wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm packaging up some stuff, and finding that the process is, well, > confusing. > > I've got something that works with older debhelper stuff (prior to the > rules file being made into one target/command), and not sure how to > port what I was doing in rules to the new format. Specifically, I > want to make some files (a log file) owned by someone other than root. > > More generally, I seem to find a lot of weird things with packaging > and wanted to ask questions somewhere. I get a fair number of lintian > warnings. I believe this list is what you're looking for: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-mentors // David -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: help on ubuntu packaging
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:54 AM, David Henningsson
wrote:
> On 2010-10-26 13:26, travis+ml-ubuntu-devel-disc...@subspacefield.org
> wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I'm packaging up some stuff, and finding that the process is, well,
>> confusing.
> I believe this list is what you're looking for:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-mentors
The MOTU-mentoring is currently inactive, but there are some great resources at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training
(The IRC training sessions are great time to ask questions, or find
the instructors on IRC after class)
If you want general packaging help, also check out the debian resources:
http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/
http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
IRC:
#debian-mentors on OFTC IRC network
debian-ment...@lists.debian.org
http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/
> I've got something that works with older debhelper stuff (prior to the
> rules file being made into one target/command), and not sure how to
> port what I was doing in rules to the new format. Specifically, I
> want to make some files (a log file) owned by someone other than root.
Switching to debhelper 7 (one target rules files) should be
straight-forward, this is probably a discussion that we should have on
IRC or debian-mentors (since it doesn't have to do specifically ubuntu
development and we don't want to clog up people's mailboxes). You can
upload your package to http://mentors.debian.net and ask questions
specific questions on ubuntu IRC or debian-mentors mailing lists.
As for changing permissions: Check to make sure you're not violating
policy (some directories must be owned by root), but if your package
needs user specific log files, you can create them in ~/.{packagename}
using a wrapper when you launch the program or by hacking the source
code to look for it in {HOME}.
Regards,
Scott
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Unity Interface in 10.10 Netbook Edition
I had posted this earlier on the Ubuntu Users mailing list and it was suggested that I discuss it in the development list. Are these known issues and if so, are there any changes suggested for the next release? I have run into a few issues with the new Unity interface in the latest (10.10) Ubuntu Netbook Edition. 1. There is no easy way to move/copy files around. The file manager provided by Unity doesn't provide a right click context menu. The only way I could do file operations was by launching the terminal (which by itself was difficult to find). Then either do file operations on the command line in the terminal or launch nautilus from within the terminal. That seems to be the only way to launch Nautilus. 2. The desktop crashes often. Sometimes it restarts by itself, other times I have to go to a terminal and restart gdm. This generally happens after I exit xbmc or huludesktop running in fullscreen mode. 3. There is no run dialog. That is definitely the single biggest issue as I use the run dialog very often. 4. The desktop is pathetically slow. My hardware meets the recommended requirements. Thanks for all your help. Thanks, Tarun -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Feature suggestions: optionally placing home folder into separate partition during ubuntu install
Hello, I have finally taken the plunge and installed the latest Ubuntu instead of Windows XP (while still running Windows xp in a VM). It would be great if a tool existed that supports moving the home folder from the "boot" partition to a "data" partition. Ideally, the tool would support creating a data partition by resizing the boot partition, as well as recommending a minimum size for the data partition based on the size of the home folder. Ideally, i think, such a setup could already be suggested during the Ubuntu installation process. Perhaps, under an "advanced setup" heading -- removing the need to move the home partition. The main benefit for such a setup, is that it allows reinstalling Ubuntu without loosing the users data, which would be safely sitting in a separate data partition. Also, during (re)installation, Ubuntu could recognize the existence of a data partition that includes a home folder, and suggest configuring itself accordingly. Taking this idea a step further, perhaps its possible to also preserve the packages that were installed, so that these remain intact in the data partition also. Perhaps a better name for the data partition could be "User" partition, which includes all user configured, tailored, created data. As opposed to the System partition which includes the base OS only, and that can be reinstalled at will. thanks, Daniel -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Feature suggestions: optionally placing home folder into separate partition during ubuntu install
+1 2010/10/28 Daniel Gross > Hello, > > I have finally taken the plunge and installed the latest Ubuntu instead > of Windows XP (while still running Windows xp in a VM). > > It would be great if a tool existed that supports moving the home folder > from the "boot" partition to a "data" partition. Ideally, the tool would > support creating a data partition by resizing the boot partition, as > well as recommending a minimum size for the data partition based on the > size of the home folder. > > Ideally, i think, such a setup could already be suggested during the > Ubuntu installation process. Perhaps, under an "advanced setup" heading > -- removing the need to move the home partition. > > The main benefit for such a setup, is that it allows reinstalling Ubuntu > without loosing the users data, which would be safely sitting in a > separate data partition. > > Also, during (re)installation, Ubuntu could recognize the existence of a > data partition that includes a home folder, and suggest configuring > itself accordingly. > > Taking this idea a step further, perhaps its possible to also preserve > the packages that were installed, so that these remain intact in the > data partition also. Perhaps a better name for the data partition could > be "User" partition, which includes all user configured, tailored, > created data. As opposed to the System partition which includes the base > OS only, and that can be reinstalled at will. > > thanks, > > Daniel > > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Feature suggestions: optionally placing home folder into separate partition during ubuntu install
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Gross wrote: > Hello, > > I have finally taken the plunge and installed the latest Ubuntu instead > of Windows XP (while still running Windows xp in a VM). Congrats :) > It would be great if a tool existed that supports moving the home folder > from the "boot" partition to a "data" partition. Ideally, the tool would > support creating a data partition by resizing the boot partition, as > well as recommending a minimum size for the data partition based on the > size of the home folder. > > Ideally, i think, such a setup could already be suggested during the > Ubuntu installation process. Perhaps, under an "advanced setup" heading > -- removing the need to move the home partition. > > The main benefit for such a setup, is that it allows reinstalling Ubuntu > without loosing the users data, which would be safely sitting in a > separate data partition. Putting it on a separate partition isn't actually necessary. Currently when Ubuntu is directed to install to a partition which previously had Ubuntu on it, it reinstalls only what is necessary, leaving things such as user settings intact. So this is effectively already done, just without the necessity for multiple partitions. > Also, during (re)installation, Ubuntu could recognize the existence of a > data partition that includes a home folder, and suggest configuring > itself accordingly. This is an interesting idea. I'm not sure what we currently suggest when another Ubuntu is already installed, but a kind of reinstall/upgrade option would probably be useful. Again, we'd only need the one partition for it though. > Taking this idea a step further, perhaps its possible to also preserve > the packages that were installed, so that these remain intact in the > data partition also. Perhaps a better name for the data partition could > be "User" partition, which includes all user configured, tailored, > created data. As opposed to the System partition which includes the base > OS only, and that can be reinstalled at will. Technically, every part of Ubuntu (including the base OS) is considered just an installed package, so doing this wouldn't be simple. I'm also having trouble seeing the use case for this - most people (in my experience) reinstall Ubuntu as a way to clean up cruft (or apparent cruft - a fresh install often feels faster just by placebo effect). Presumably they would want such packages removed, else why would they reinstall? They're may be something I'm missing, but I can't see "reinstalling while keeping current packages" to be a common desire. You've raised some very interesting points, all of which merit further discussion. Enjoy your shiny new Ubuntu :) Cheers, Evan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Feature suggestions: optionally placing home folder into separate partition during ubuntu install
2010/10/28 Evan Huus > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Gross > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have finally taken the plunge and installed the latest Ubuntu instead > > of Windows XP (while still running Windows xp in a VM). > > Congrats :) > > > It would be great if a tool existed that supports moving the home folder > > from the "boot" partition to a "data" partition. Ideally, the tool would > > support creating a data partition by resizing the boot partition, as > > well as recommending a minimum size for the data partition based on the > > size of the home folder. > > > > Ideally, i think, such a setup could already be suggested during the > > Ubuntu installation process. Perhaps, under an "advanced setup" heading > > -- removing the need to move the home partition. > > > > The main benefit for such a setup, is that it allows reinstalling Ubuntu > > without loosing the users data, which would be safely sitting in a > > separate data partition. > > Putting it on a separate partition isn't actually necessary. Currently > when Ubuntu is directed to install to a partition which previously had > Ubuntu on it, it reinstalls only what is necessary, leaving things > such as user settings intact. So this is effectively already done, > just without the necessity for multiple partitions. > I think it is why another partition is necessary. sometimes users don't know which program causes their problems. they want a clear reinstall except for their home folders. and it is helpful to give a option to remove previous configurations in the home folder. > > > Also, during (re)installation, Ubuntu could recognize the existence of a > > data partition that includes a home folder, and suggest configuring > > itself accordingly. > > This is an interesting idea. I'm not sure what we currently suggest > when another Ubuntu is already installed, but a kind of > reinstall/upgrade option would probably be useful. Again, we'd only > need the one partition for it though. > > > Taking this idea a step further, perhaps its possible to also preserve > > the packages that were installed, so that these remain intact in the > > data partition also. Perhaps a better name for the data partition could > > be "User" partition, which includes all user configured, tailored, > > created data. As opposed to the System partition which includes the base > > OS only, and that can be reinstalled at will. > > Technically, every part of Ubuntu (including the base OS) is > considered just an installed package, so doing this wouldn't be > simple. I'm also having trouble seeing the use case for this - most > people (in my experience) reinstall Ubuntu as a way to clean up cruft > (or apparent cruft - a fresh install often feels faster just by > placebo effect). Presumably they would want such packages removed, > else why would they reinstall? They're may be something I'm missing, > but I can't see "reinstalling while keeping current packages" to be a > common desire. > > You've raised some very interesting points, all of which merit further > discussion. > Enjoy your shiny new Ubuntu :) > > Cheers, > Evan > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Mainstream Developers Repository
Hi, I would like to know your opinion on an Idea of having (Mainstream Developers Repository) please read the draft wiki page on this subject https://wiki.ubuntu.com/damascene/Decentralized%20Ubuntu%20Repository Sometimes user need to get the latest version of a software but he/she will have to add every Launchpad PPA manually. Regards, Usama Akkad https://launchpad.net/~damascene -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Feature suggestions: optionally placing home folder into separate partition during ubuntu install
Hi, On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:34 AM, 李白|字一日 wrote: > > 2010/10/28 Evan Huus >> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Gross >> wrote: >> > >> > The main benefit for such a setup, is that it allows reinstalling Ubuntu >> > without loosing the users data, which would be safely sitting in a >> > separate data partition. >> >> Putting it on a separate partition isn't actually necessary. Currently >> when Ubuntu is directed to install to a partition which previously had >> Ubuntu on it, it reinstalls only what is necessary, leaving things >> such as user settings intact. So this is effectively already done, >> just without the necessity for multiple partitions. > > I think it is why another partition is necessary. > sometimes users don't know which program causes their problems. > they want a clear reinstall except for their home folders. > and it is helpful to give a option to remove previous configurations in the > home folder. I may be wrong but this feature during the install only keeps the home folder (and other well-known data places?) and removes the rest so it should not leave random extra files or system configuration. Anyway, I have been using a separate home partition for quite a while as it is a nice way to switch between different OSs (including stable and devel ubuntu). It is always possible to do so using the manual partitionner, which is arguably a power-user tool. >> > Taking this idea a step further, perhaps its possible to also preserve >> > the packages that were installed, so that these remain intact in the >> > data partition also. Perhaps a better name for the data partition could >> > be "User" partition, which includes all user configured, tailored, >> > created data. As opposed to the System partition which includes the base >> > OS only, and that can be reinstalled at will. >> >> Technically, every part of Ubuntu (including the base OS) is >> considered just an installed package, so doing this wouldn't be >> simple. I'm also having trouble seeing the use case for this - most >> people (in my experience) reinstall Ubuntu as a way to clean up cruft >> (or apparent cruft - a fresh install often feels faster just by >> placebo effect). Presumably they would want such packages removed, >> else why would they reinstall? They're may be something I'm missing, >> but I can't see "reinstalling while keeping current packages" to be a >> common desire. If you want to keep installed packages, you can upgrade instead of installing from scratch (if you don't skip a version or if you go from LTS to LTS, otherwise it may be painful). If you do not fear to fiddle with the command line, some of Debian's package management tools can help to reinstall the same selection of packages on your new system: see dpkg --get/set-selection for a rough approach and debfoster to build a list of packages you want to keep; taking dependancies into account. Of course it only works for packages that are available from apt repositories and is not so user friendly but I guess one could build a GUI based on the same principle. Alternatively, you can keep a list of packages you want and install them from the command-line. making it easier to build such lists and to apply them would make a nice feature for the software-center ;) Best regards. -- Aurélien Naldi -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Mainstream Developers Repository
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Assalam alaikum Usama, This is a good idea. But I think backports and GetDeb [1] are implementing something that is close to this? [1] http://www.getdeb.net/ Bilal Akhtar. On 10/28/2010 07:02 AM, Usama Akkad wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to know your opinion on an Idea of having (Mainstream > Developers Repository) please read the draft wiki page on this subject > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/damascene/Decentralized%20Ubuntu%20Repository > > Sometimes user need to get the latest version of a software but he/she > will have to add every Launchpad PPA manually. > > Regards, > > Usama Akkad > https://launchpad.net/~damascene > > > - -- Bilal Akhtar - Ubuntu Developer, yet still 14 years old. More information about him can be found on https://edge.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar IRC nick: bilalakhtar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMyQtOAAoJENsMxwzgYeH2hLsH/jzGxdfaiKOqXlAWVx62r23e /UjqZBsVIgrZgsipD2Pfw07oRn7M4vp+K8QA7aUdJCL6r5RdvpQszNxWMbQ1r92h xizEp48VYU3oOWOoxV/u21rWUXsxbXmiPxZFb3FOHjMU13z5y0ydVWxbbzQOpjtp nFjTLwkJTiiGYmayeCwdN8CakOZO/x/nfopDQea2GKxXK1eT3O3mX2QRffWgogKz DAg02jY+QT/vG1jRRSagd2MZABMQCw2UP0ZNXnwRR0aRUbGpXw9q+1HZ8TUKeDKI TAi60ZvLxjj166DSYTCiVzDOTI9BzVPuUzCxiNNKdcjI7DH+mbpgjRonq5YWTno= =mzR5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Feature suggestions: optionally placing home folder into separate partition during ubuntu install
2010/10/28 Aurélien Naldi > Hi, > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:34 AM, 李白|字一日 wrote: > > > > 2010/10/28 Evan Huus > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Gross > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > The main benefit for such a setup, is that it allows reinstalling > Ubuntu > >> > without loosing the users data, which would be safely sitting in a > >> > separate data partition. > >> > >> Putting it on a separate partition isn't actually necessary. Currently > >> when Ubuntu is directed to install to a partition which previously had > >> Ubuntu on it, it reinstalls only what is necessary, leaving things > >> such as user settings intact. So this is effectively already done, > >> just without the necessity for multiple partitions. > > > > I think it is why another partition is necessary. > > sometimes users don't know which program causes their problems. > > they want a clear reinstall except for their home folders. > > and it is helpful to give a option to remove previous configurations in > the > > home folder. > > I may be wrong but this feature during the install only keeps the home > folder (and other well-known data places?) and removes the rest so it > should not leave random extra files or system configuration. > yes, and it is safe to keep data even if the system is not possible to recover. > Anyway, I have been using a separate home partition for quite a while > as it is a nice way to switch between different OSs (including stable > and devel ubuntu). It is always possible to do so using the manual > partitionner, which is arguably a power-user tool. > :) > >> > Taking this idea a step further, perhaps its possible to also preserve > >> > the packages that were installed, so that these remain intact in the > >> > data partition also. Perhaps a better name for the data partition > could > >> > be "User" partition, which includes all user configured, tailored, > >> > created data. As opposed to the System partition which includes the > base > >> > OS only, and that can be reinstalled at will. > >> > >> Technically, every part of Ubuntu (including the base OS) is > >> considered just an installed package, so doing this wouldn't be > >> simple. I'm also having trouble seeing the use case for this - most > >> people (in my experience) reinstall Ubuntu as a way to clean up cruft > >> (or apparent cruft - a fresh install often feels faster just by > >> placebo effect). Presumably they would want such packages removed, > >> else why would they reinstall? They're may be something I'm missing, > >> but I can't see "reinstalling while keeping current packages" to be a > >> common desire. > > If you want to keep installed packages, you can upgrade instead of > installing from scratch (if you don't skip a version or if you go from > LTS to LTS, otherwise it may be painful). > If you do not fear to fiddle with the command line, some of Debian's > package management tools can help to reinstall the same selection of > packages on your new system: > see dpkg --get/set-selection for a rough approach and debfoster to > build a list of packages you want to keep; taking dependancies into > account. > Of course it only works for packages that are available from apt > repositories and is not so user friendly but I guess one could build a > GUI based on the same principle. > > Alternatively, you can keep a list of packages you want and install > them from the command-line. making it easier to build such lists and > to apply them would make a nice feature for the software-center ;) > > Best regards. > > -- > Aurélien Naldi > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
